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  1. Yep, and like I said I won't realistically even be maxing out the 1Gbps on the MSI, so that's not something I'm worried about. That's good to hear, though I'd like to know how well they compare with OCing (and longevity/reliability) compared to the Tomahawk. And speaking of, yeah, from what I've checked the Tomahawk is a great board, though I'd be stretching my budget a bit with it so I'd like to go for something cheaper. One thing that I'm sure about with this build is that I won't be going to a Ryzen 9, which is why I wasn't looking for the higher end mobos in the first place. I'd just like to know if either of the two cheaper alternatives would comfortably handle, at most, an 8 core at a reasonable (but obviously not maxed out) OC, and even more so, the long term reliability of them. Yeah, I'm asking because I only got a rough estimate but had trouble double checking, since the list isn't completely up to date yet. Also, I'm referring to the Gaming Plus, not the Edge. That one is even more expensive for me than the Tomahawk so it's definitely out of the question.
  2. The Tomahawk I can get for 175€, the other two are ~25€ less and are within 2-3€ of eachother on any site I've checked. I definitely don't mind that, but I can also always get a cheap (or dig up my old) usb hub or a pcie usb card as I really only need more ports for peripherals. I think there are some other differences as well though - the 2.5Gbps versus the 1Gbs (neither of which I'll be using to their full anyway); I have a type C on the front of my case and the TUF iirc doesn't seem like it has that internal port (not that it's a big deal, just, ya know); and something else I can't remember right now.
  3. Oh also, as you said before: Sorry for nagging but I would like your thoughts on the new thread as well, considering I don't ever intend on pushing any cpu I'd get to it's absolute limit. Obviously, the Tomahawk will have better power delivery than both of those boards, but I'm having some trouble double checking how much worse they are and if they'd still be okay.
  4. Hi all, So this is my third thread in a row regarding this stuff. Back on the previous thread I determined I don't need to stretch for X570 and I'm perfectly fine going with a B550 board. The one I tracked down in particular was the B550 Tomahawk. Highly recommended by a lot of people, and apparently has great power delivery. Still, I was wondering if maybe I could find something for a bit cheaper that wouldn't screw me over later down the line. After a bit of digging, I found the TUF Gaming B550-Plus and the MPG B550 Gaming Plus, both at a very similar price and both a handful less than the tomahawk. I'd first like to ask, regarding power delivery: I've checked the VRM tier list and the Tomahawk is obviously above both (apparently having one of the best VRMs period), but I'm having trouble double-checking how much "worse" those two boards are compared to it. I'll be running an R5 3600 and later might switch to something from Zen 3 (though still sticking with R5 or maybe bumping up to R7, I don't need anything more). I intend to OC in the near future, but definitely don't plan on pushing the current chip to it's limit (or the hypothetical future one either). So I'd like to get insight if the two mentioned boards would still be okay for such a use case. (Also note that I'm not only considering OC but also longevity and reliabilty - that's the main reason I overpaid on my PSU a bit. Would going for any of the two have a shorter lifespan and noticably worse long term reliability compared to the tomahawk?) Secondly, I'd like to ask what are the feature differences of the two? The MPG Gaming Plus seems to have about everything the Tomahawk has minus the 2.5Gbps port (Which I won't have a need for anyway), at least after quickly scanning through the specifications. The TUF seems to have things set up a bit differently. In the case that I'm fine with going with either of the two over the Tomahawk, which one would be the better option (and which features would I be missing out)? I'd like to know about the complete package, so all the internal/external IO, fan headers, etc.. Thank you so much for any informative replies, and I hope this will be my last thread on the topic, at least for a while.
  5. Sounds great! Though, I've been digging around for something a bit cheaper and found the TUF B550 Plus as well as the MPG B550 Gaming Plus, both at a very similar price and reasonably lower priced than the tomahawk. I'm actually gonna go make a new thread right now about that, so I'd like any input I can get ^^
  6. I was primarily checking this list just to make sure I'm buying something that's not terrible, and from the looks of it even the B550 tomahawk is well above the Aorus - that's really the only reason I said it Mind you I'm also looking for general reliability, not just OC headroom (that's the main reason I overbought my PSU a bit, so I could be sure it will comfortably last me for a while) so a bit overkill on the VRMs is fine by me, hahah I'm fine with having less of the fast usbs, I'm not too worried about that - as long as I have 1-2 it's cool. As for the other stuff, like I've said I doubt I'll be getting even one gen4 m.2 drive, let alone multiple so I definitely don't care about that. Yeah, fair enough. From the looks of it, the B550 should be enough for me as I'm already paying a lot for the mobo as is. If those are generally all of the benefits of the X570 chipset then I'm definitely not too worried about missing out on them, especially now that the B550 boards have dropped in price and are a bit more reasonable.
  7. I'm not going B450 even though it would end up being cheaper and I could *technically* still use Zen3. I don't feel too comfortable flashing a beta BIOS to use Zen3, and don't want to loose out on too many features that would happen if I did that.
  8. Hi all, As the title says, I'm a bit stuck choosing between the two boards. Some who might have seen my previous post about building a PC right now will remember that I asked about the B550 Tomahawk and people approved it as a good choice. However, after some more digging, I've been thinking that (despite saying it's out of my budget), I could squeeze out a bit more for some midrange x570 boards. After some more digging, I found the above mentioned x570 Aorus Elite. Checking the reviews, it all seems fine and dandy, though I'd obviously be spending more on it than I would on the Tomahawk. Initially my first idea was to just find an X570 version of the Tomahawk, but the price of that skyrockets even further than the Aorus, so I'll consider it mostly out of the question (Though I'm still searching for deals, who knows, maybe I might even find something). So yeah, this is where I'm at. I'd like to know if VRM and power delivery wise the Aorus can stand up (or at least come somewhat close to) the tomahawks (which apparently both have the same or at least similar power delivery, which is one of the better ones), as I'd like to OC in the future (obviously, not push the poor thing to it's limit, that's what the highest end mobos are for - but I would like to squeeze out some more performance down the line when I get my hands on a dark rock pro 4 or something similar, or maybe a 240mm AIO if I find a reliable one for a good price (on that note, some recommendations for those would be appreciated too ^_^). For reference, I'll be using a R5 3600, but might swap it out later down the line if Zen 3 offers anything interesting (Will probably stick to R5 or maybe go to R7 if I can afford (or more importantly even need), I'm not touching R9 as I absolutely won't bee needing more than 8 cores for a long while. Though I do hate that they seem to have the best OOTB and OC gaming performance while still being focused on more cores.. but I'll spare you the rant on that). Also, I'd like to know the actual, real world benefits of X570 over the B550 and if they'd be worth it for me - for example, Gen4 SSDs are still expensive as hell, and I doubt I'll be needing the added performance. I firmly believe regular NVMe M.2s will hold up for me well enough for at least as long as I'll be using this build (considering I'm now still rocking a bare as bones patriot blast sata ssd). As for other expansions, probably only a wireless card down the line if I need it, some extra ports that I won't need to be running super fast, and possibly an internal capture card (like the one from elgato I can't remember the name of right now - but strictly regular 1080p, I'm not going 4K so I wouldn't be needing the extra bandwidth in case the 4k card benefits from it). Thank you all in advance for any informative replies, stay safe~
  9. Considering it's gonna probably take at least half a year for everything to really calm down (I hope it doesn't take longer at least, but I doubt it'll be over sooner than that too), I guess I might go with it. Checking some amazon price history sites for reference though, it doesn't look like I'd be getting that awful of a deal (At least for the proc), and comparing some other older motherboards and their price trends, I might be losing out on a bit of a price drop, but fingers crossed that it's not too much - especially considering b550 is still relatively new and would have higher prices regardless of the current situation.
  10. Yeah, that's kinda what I'm also looking at now. Considering that I'd get no real long term benefit for going x570, as good as those boards are, and especially considering that from what I've been checking throughout the day the prices really aren't as similar anymore as they used to be when b550 dropped (they're overall more expensive than b450 for ~50€ on average, depending on the mobo of course, while x570 is still way up there). Perhaps it would be better for me to cough up a bit more now and just have peace of mind going forward, and (a tiny bit) less buyer's remorse. If I were to go for one, I've tracked down a B550 Tomahawk for 175€. A decent deal? Also, is the board itself good in general?
  11. I'm very aware of that. I'd just like to mess with my pc and get some upgrades done to freshen it up for the next couple of years and get it ready for gpu upgrades. As said, I'm going to wait for newer gpus anyway, particularly big navi, as I hope it'll offer good performance at a way better price than novideo - as said before, something akin to a 2070(S) would be more than enough for me, at least for a while.
  12. I honestly don't feel too comfortable going for a b450 beta bios flash down the line, though I guess I'd have to see how that pans out for people.
  13. I'd like to go for my build about right now, since uni and other stuff will drown me out later in autumn. That's mostly why I'm not too keen on waiting - and as with the 4770, I really wouldn't be upgrading my cpu and would keep it as is for a long while, so the next time I'd really need an upgrade I'd be migrating to the new socket anyway. 6/12 still seems enough for me and jumping to a higher end 8/16 cpu would probably be a bit of overkill, even if zen 3 cpus end up being cheaper for the same core counts. Most people seem alright with using the 3600 for the next couple of years so I'd think it would be a similar story for me. As for single thread performance, particularly gaming, I still doubt zen3 would be that much of an improvement, especially considering the 3600 is already a good overall cpu for gaming as is. And well.. I've had people jokingly say this but I've found it to be quite true: "It's never a good time to upgrade since new stuff keeps coming out all the time". I'm fine with not being able to upgrade at a whim if I just get something that's already good enough as is. (I mean, I have been stuck on the 4770 inside a crappy alienware box for what, 6 years now?) As for getting a zen+ cpu and swapping it for a zen3 later, I like the idea but if I recall that's only possible on x570 boards natively and on some very specific b550 boards. I'm still considering picking up a b550, don't get me wrong (As I'm figuring that the tradeoffs compared to x570 won't hit me nearly as hard, as, again - not planning on getting a pcie gen4 ssd any time soon). X570 though, is way out of my budget just in general, and frankly, not at all necessary. The prices for b550 are still a bit up in the high though... *Edit: changed some info slightly to better reflect what I mean
  14. So I'm stuck in a bit of a rough spot right now. I have an i7 4770/ gtx 970 system, and since it's summer I've thought about upgrading it. As for the gpu, I'll still squeeze some more life out of it since I can actually comfortably wait for big navi as that seems like it'll be quite a decent jump forward. As for the cpu, well.. a 4770 would still be alright in my case, but, I want to move on to something more modern (I also primarily want to get rid of this horrible god forsaken alienware x51 board). I intend to do mostly gaming (which i'll upgrade to a 2070S or similarly powerful new gpu in the future - targeting 1440p60 for sightseeing games and then 144fps for league and valorant) as well as some modest content creation - streaming, 1080p to maybe 4k editing (it'll be years before I get a 4k camera anyway lol), and then some lighter 3d modeling and other productivity stuff, but nothing too crazy. Initially my eyes were set dead straight on the r5 3600, as with most people. However, considering the awkward timing, everywhere I look up I see people yelling at me to wait for Zen 3. Given my use cases (and considering I don't really need the latest and greatest possible hardware) I'm wondering if it's worth waiting. I'd say Zen2 is in a pretty good spot right now, single threaded stuff, which was previously still kinda nagging zen and zen+, is now incredibly solid. Am I correct in assuming that Zen3 won't be as much of a jump in performance as Zen2 was? It seems that way, at least. Plus the added fact of (iirc, but please correct me if i'm wrong) the impending EOL of the am4 socket - as the 5 year promise has been (or will be, with zen 3) fulfilled and zen4 will be on a new socket anyway, I'd have to swap motherboards when upgrading regardless. If I bought this thing last year it would probably hold me well for 4-5 years, so getting it now for 3-4 still seems like an alright idea, especially with a mild to moderate OC whenever I get my hands on a better cooler. As for the board, I'm fairly certain I don't need anything in line of x570 as I realistically won't be taking advantage of pcie gen4 (decent nvme m.2 ssds are a bit of a premium for me as is, plus i dont think it would realistically matter that much long term) or any other super high end features. I was thinking x470 or probably more likely b450 (yeah yeah, I know, >buying b450 in 2020). Mostly cause of the previous notion that down the line, upgrading from zen2 to zen3 wouldn't really be that big of a performance boost and for anything beyond I'd have to swap motherboards entirely anyway (Also considering b550s are hilariously expensive as of right now, and I don't want to go for the lowest possible budget mini itx board that's available as I do need some extra pcie slots). Maybe I could find some good deals on x470 boards as well, though they're a bit harder to find nowadays and idk if I'd be missing out that much if going for a b450 anyway. I'd appreciate to hear your thoughts regarding this and give me some insight on the entire situation. Thank you all in advance for any informative replies.
  15. I've checked multiple reviews on all lenovo laptops in my budget and each of them otherwise fit me perfectly except that they have a poor screen. I'm sure the higher end ones have better screens but that's beyond how much I'm willing to spend. More specifically, literally all Lenovo laptops I've checked that are within my budget come with 250 nits screens. I double checked and yeah, that's the crappy one which wouldn't fit what I need. I've checked a couple out, but they're usually way too expensive for what they offer to the point where it just makes more sense for me to go for either of the two asus' I found refurbished. Though, I actually found this zenbook pro 14 used (mind the crappy slovene website). it generally seems like what I would want, and the reviews seem to work out, but I am fairly concerned regarding thermals as it's an ultrabook, and I really wouldn't like to have a macbook experience whenever trying to do anything more substantial than taking notes or browsing the web. But, the battery would probably last longer than either one of those I have in my mind right now, and it's significantly lighter as well (the lack of numpad and the 14" screen dont bother me, and from what I've checked (though I'm not 100% sure) the color coverage should be alright). Also, I probably should've been more clear on the "last me long" part. I'll be taking good care of it so I don't need it to be really well built or durable. I meant more in the sense of usability down the line. There's ceneje.si which is a price comparison website, though it has fairly poor filtering. To my knowledge it covers all major stores here so that might be a good starting point. I can generally order things from DE amazon, but it's a gamble on which products ship here or not, and the prices often aren't that much better (when counting in shipping) than most stores here anyway. Other than that, there are a couple of other sites like notebooksbilliger.de that I could probably order from as well, but again, it's a gamble as to whether or not something can ship or not. Germany is pretty much the main and only EU based place I can order stuff from, maybe IT amazon as well but I haven't checked much there. The main problem with ordering from DE sites would be the keyboard layout, as they would all come shipped with the german layout. I don't need a slovene layout, but I'd much prefer a standard qwerty as it's relatively more directly usable than the german one with all it's special symbols. with that said, I'm well aware I can just get keyboard layout stickers, but those probably wouldn't work with the backlights (which I find important as I tend to use my rigs late at night and I haven't memorized everything yet so I can't type completely blind), as well as from a purely aesthetic standpoint as they would look pretty bad. I suppose it's still a sacrifice I'm willing to make though, if everything else works out well from DE amazon or some other german store.
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