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    Narmonteam reacted to BlaDoS in General purpose budget PC ideas for 2022   
    This post is that bad I had to revive my never used account to express how bad this is.
     
    For starters, why 4x8gb over IDK, going a 12400 instead.
     
    The 6500xt is a waste of silicon, nearly on the scale of the 11900k.
     
    Not to mention, you fail to mention other aspects of a PC build, and fail to mention, that none of these systems are a "console killer", as to be a console killer, they need to be of similar price.
     
    You did not mention potential substitutions in the off chance they become the better option down the line (Price cuts, sales etc), and being glaringly obvious of your ommission of potential Ryzen/GeForce alternatives.

    Nor did you explain properly your reasoning behind any of the builds. 
  2. Agree
    Narmonteam reacted to doubleflower in [EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8   
    @LukeSavenije @Juular Note that the current PSU tier list has been updated to 15.0, but the tier list in this thread may not be updated:
     
     
    https://cultists.network/3783/psu-tier-list-has-been-updated-to-rev-15-0/
     
    Perhaps someone can update the tier list to a new one, or archive this thread and create a new one? 
  3. Informative
    Narmonteam reacted to Maurice Janssen in Why is VRM on the motherboard, and how do I find which memory topology my motherboard has   
    its easy.

    Many components in your pc need different voltages - as your fans are usually at their max at 12v this is the perfect point!

    you basically run a 12v power supply & regulate the voltage for other components which need less, for example your cpu. also there are some feedback traces on your motherboard for the voltage regulation. basically would require a shit ton of cables for that. also having the regulation near to the cpu is better. 

    I mean, have you looked at GPUs? They also have a big VRM section on them. 
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    Narmonteam got a reaction from geo3 in First Custom Mechanical Keyboard - Need your Help   
    Swiss gang! Also looking into getting a mech so I do know the feeling

    Your only option (unless you want to search for limited run keycaps) is the tai hao blue moon kit, or a blank keycap set. Since the layout is set in software you could technically have any keycaps, aslong as you know where which symbol is. 
     
    As for switches, have a look at this handy flowchart, but at the end of the day, it's preference. There isn't really any benefit to any of them concerning gaming. 
     
    For the Board, I'd suggest the CU80, which is currently on group buy with a seperate numpad. Otherwise, the GMMK fits the description, but it really doesn't do the budget justice.

  5. Agree
    Narmonteam reacted to Grabhanem in Ram in A2+B1=?Dual Channel   
    I don't know why people are saying that A2+B1 won't be dual channel. A1/A2 and B1/B2 literally share pins. Having the memory in the same place is generally more stable, but not a requirement.
  6. Funny
    Narmonteam got a reaction from Downkey in Gigabyte GP-PGM - Issues, issues, issues   
    BuT It'S 80+ GoLd RaTeD
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    Narmonteam got a reaction from Levent in Gigabyte GP-PGM - Issues, issues, issues   
    BuT It'S 80+ GoLd RaTeD
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    Narmonteam reacted to LukeSavenije in Gigabyte GP-PGM - Issues, issues, issues   
    TL;DR
    Gigabyte is refusing to support a product they know to be problematic. This is as of the time of writing still in production with the same components. We haven't asked Gigabyte for a public statement.
     
    Most likely problem - Main FETs
    To start, a quote from Aristeidis Mpitziopoulos', which in this article will be referred to as Aris, review on Techpowerup about this very unit below.
     
    This is something alarming on it's own already. The main FETs on the power supply explode after having handled a heavy load. They didn't fail during the actual OPP/OCP testing itself, but a few minutes after when the unit was turned on again. But this is sadly only the component that seems to cause most of this issues...
     
    Gigabyte handling this finding - we tested it and it's fine
    From here, Aris attempted to send his findings to Gigabyte. They chose to not recall the unit they sent him and tested around 10 units internally in their RMA division. From here, no issues were found and this was reported back to Aris. This is in every way a flawed way of testing. More about this can be found in the video here:
     
    Gigabyte handling it's consumers - refusing support
    Gigabyte has had many reviews on sites like NewEgg that claim DOA units, extreme coilwhine, killed components and much more. Normally I'm not one to react off consumer reviews because of their flawed nature, but when almost a majority of users has failures and there's a ground of suspicion what is the problem it becomes a different story. A few quotes below
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    These are a few of the more elaborate reviews. As of the time of writing, 142 out of the 242 reviews on the PSU are 1 star or "egg", all coming down to either extreme coil whine, system instability or the unit dying with no way of returning it without including the 3000 series card they bought it with. Even if it's understandable that Newegg/Gigabyte doesn't want a scalper to buy this and attempt to return the PSU, with a genuine failure this is an outright stupid thing to do.
     
    Source: https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gp-p750gm-750w/p/N82E16817233029?Description=gigabyte psu&cm_re=gigabyte_psu-_-17-233-029-_-Product
     
    What now? - Forced recall and public apology
    Honestly, the best thing Gigabyte can do right now is putting on a forced recall on the unit. There are no exact numbers out there on the actual failure rate of the unit, but this isn't down to an early production sample unit or the occasional "lemon" you get with mass production. This is a widespread issue that can only be solved by using different parts in the PSU. They can either choose to take it off the market, issue a full recall and give people their money back, or introduce a revision/newer version of the product with higher end FETs from for example Infineon, with likely also a lower OCP/OPP setting.
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    Narmonteam reacted to LukeSavenije in The All AliExpress PC   
    fun note
     
    the "1000w" psu they had there couldn't even do 400w, so i took some time for myself on AliExpress and went off to find a good PSU
     
    https://aliexpress.com/item/32824114589.html
     
    I present you, a decent PSU at actually quite a decent price
     
    (and fits well with the Colorful theme, since they own Segotep)
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    Narmonteam reacted to DedMaxim99 in The All AliExpress PC   
    I was very surprized to see Ryzen in this build. What's the reason of buying it, when you can buy used Xeon there? If the point was to make the cheapest pc from aliexpress, you should've gone with X79 or X99 Huanan Zhi motherboard with Xeon. It will use DDR3, which is also very cheap.
     
    Example:
    12 core CPU for just about 100$ https://aliexpress.ru/item/10000181392680.html
    gaming motherboard for it, ~70$ https://aliexpress.ru/item/33057387836.html
    32gb DDR3 ecc reg ram, ~65$ https://aliexpress.ru/item/4000409529087.html
  12. Informative
    Narmonteam got a reaction from Parideboy in The All AliExpress PC   
    Tbh, Aliexpress has some very good keyboards. So if you want one, check out Hexgears. They're hotswapable and come with kailh switches
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    Narmonteam reacted to stanfiveohtwo in The All AliExpress PC   
    Ok, look. I know the video was a bit of fluff. For whatever reason, despite "China builds" or whatever being something of a trend right now, my go-to guys for both pretty good information and watching a bunch of dudes muck around with stuff just can't be bothered for some reason. Acknowledging I don't have the credibility to say something like this, this video was beneath your typically high standard.
     
    The dance-break, glamour shot was deliciously silly. Credit where it's due.
     
    The folks from LMG actively and consciously purchased a 400 watt power supply and then dismissed the power supply as junk. I mean, it almost certainly is not of a outside-of-Asia-market standard, but that's ridiculous. The gimmick with AX shopping is to go at it on that marketplace's own terms. Instead of trying to get something of a Western standard, go for a "garbage patch" board, an old Xeon, quad-channel DDR3 ECC for effectively modern memory speed, and a 1660, if even that much of a GPU. "Cheap and cheerful" was coined for a reason.
     
    And get the above items for under $600 delivered to the US, Canada will almost certainly be different or not and who the [heck] knows anymore about shipping. This isn't the first time deliberately expensive parts were ordered and then judged not to be worth the expense. That is defying the object of the exercise. I don't have the credibility to hold you guys to a higher standard. I'm just some old retired geek, but you are just better than this. /old
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    Narmonteam reacted to LukeSavenije in Topologies and regulations, what should I look for?   
    Introduction
    This time I'm doing a short bit on a couple of topologies and methods of regulation, and their up- and downsides. A short conclusion will be written below, so you don't have to read the whole thing to make your PSU choice.
     
    Topologies
    - Double Forward
    - Active Clamp Reset Forward (ACRF)
    - LLC Resonant
     
    Double Forward
    Double forward or two switch forward is a single forward configuration with 2, rather than 1 MOSFET to keep the core from running into saturation
     

    (Vishay)
     
    D= Diode
    Q= MOSFET
    T= Transformer
    Cin= Voltage in
     
    Upsides:
    - cheap
     
    Downsides:
    - only scales up to 750w
    - not meant for high efficiency PSUs, as it generally only goes up to 80+ bronze
    - due to hard switching more likely to whine
     
    Active Clamp Reset Forward (ACRF)
    ACRF is a topology close to Double forward, but unlike Double forward is able to continue switching without load being applied, making it more efficient, but still use hard switching. mostly produced by FSP
     
    Upsides:
    - relatively cheap
    - shown to be scalable up to 1000w
     
    Downsides:
    - more expensive than Double forward
    - efficient enough only to meet 80+ gold
    - due to hard switching likely to whine, but less than Double forward
    - mediocre design cause worse transient response
     
    LLC Resonant Converter
    LLC stands for L (inductor), L (transformer primary which is an inductor, too) and C (capacitor). There are two inductors (LL) and a capacitor (C) used which form a resonant circuit . It's made out of 5 parts, in case of a Half-bridge (two switching FETs, transformer, inductor and capacitor).
     

    (Texas Instruments)
     
    Vin=Voltage in
    Q=MOSFET
    Vsq= unipolar square-wave voltage
    Cr= resonant capacitor
    Lm= inductor
    D= Diode
     
    Upsides:
    - efficient enough to (generally) meet up to 80+ Titanium
    - low chance of whining
    - high scaling in wattage
     
    Downsides:
    - most expensive
     
    Regulations
    - Group regulation
    - Double Mag Amp
    - DC-DC
     
    Group Regulation
    I went into group regulation and why it's a problem before here. It uses two coils, a big and a smaller one. The big one will regulate 12v and 5v, while the smaller one will regulate 3.3v. Thus, because the controller tracks both 12v and 5v rails as a whole, in crossload situations (if the load on one of them is high, while the other is low) voltages can go out of nominal (5% tolerance by ATX specifications). Specifically, This is common situation with modern PCs that, first, support C6/C7 sleep states, in which 5V rail get almost no load while 12V rail still loads relatively high, and second, modern PCs generally don’t load 5V rail much even when not in standby, because the only hardware that still uses it are HDDs and SATA SSDs, while 12V rail can be loaded very high, especially with high-end GPUs. This is especially troublesome with fast peaks of modern GPUs, which switch between 50 and 450 Watt multiple times per second. If the output capacitors can not buffer that (particularly in older units), the main regulator has to follow those peaks - altering also the 5 Volt output voltage with it. This leads to strong 5 Volt fluctuations even if there is little load on the rail.
     

    (Jonnyguru)
     
    Upsides:
    - cheap to produce
     
    Downsides:
    - voltage can easily get out of spec due to regulating 12v and 5v together
    - generally doesn't meet c6/c7 sleep states or can’t keep voltages in specs in crossload situations associated with them
    - not recommended for anything beyond an APU system
     
    Double Mag Amp
    Double mag amp is one of the two ways of an "independent" regulation, in this case regulated from the secondary winding, using an inductor to step down the current to either 5v or 3.3v. This is relatively uncommon with the introduction of DC-DC, since this is less efficient. An example where this is still used would be Seasonic's S12iii. Also, it can not work with an unloaded output (luckily a situation that doesn’t occur in a normal PC). The picture below marks the 3 coils compared to two on group regulation, by which you can see it's a double mag amp (in this case the s12 based corsair TX 80+)
     

    (Anandtech)
     
    Upsides:
    - relatively cheap
    - individually regulated
     
    Downsides:
    - needs more load to work, hence generally not coming higher than 80+ bronze
    - low efficiency compared to DC-DC
     
    DC-DC
    DC-DC uses a similar, yet quite different technique to double mag amp. it does share that it uses independent regulation, but does it in a different way. It uses buck step-down converters to lower the voltage directly from 12v to 5v or 3.3v. This is more efficient, and needs less load to function. LLC PSUs can even work properly without any hardware attached on a rail, if necessary. On the picture below i marked a dc-dc converter, in this case on a Seasonic Focus PX
     

    (Relaxedtech)
     
    Upsides:
    - individually regulated
    - very efficient, since it can function with less load
    - most common in modern PSUs
     
    Downsides:
    - most expensive
     
    Verdict:
    In the most ideal situation you get a DC-DC unit with an LLC Resonant Converter, but due to budget this might not always be possible.
    APU system: preferably DC-DC, any topology
    Low-end gaming system: DC-DC, ACRF or LLC
    midrange-high end gaming system: DC-DC with LLC
     
    Sources:
    https://www.ti.com/seclit/ml/slup263/slup263.pdf
    https://www.vishay.com/docs/91616/twoswitch.pdf
    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supplies-101,4193-14.html
    https://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/psu/160/5
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/2450/3
    https://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/seasonic/focus-plus-ssr-850px/1
    http://www.ti.com/lit/ml/slup129/slup129.pdf
     
    License:
     
    Credit:
    Moritz Plattner - Tech-review.de
    @Juular
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    Narmonteam reacted to MrIronGolem27 in [EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8   
    Damn that's quite a tier list update
     
    Thank you for your continued hard work
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    Narmonteam reacted to LukeSavenije in [EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8   
    PSU Tier List 4.0 rev. 14.8 (END OF LIFE)
    Last Update: 27-07-2021

    Legend :
    Gray - EoL/obsolete and/or otherwise not recommended for purchase.
    Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs)
    Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue color in tier A)
    Blue - quiet operation under moderate load (see details in the spreadsheet)
    Hyphen / Dash - Series / lineups separator
    Slash - Models (inside one series) separator
    Parenthesis / Round brackets - Model variations (which belong to the same position)
    Square brackets - Additional description (wattage range, part of SKU code, label / casing color, release year)
    Numbers in red colored square brackets - footnotes, see descritptions at the end of respective tiers
    Low priority subtiers - Lack of info (no reviews) or minor issues (see the corresponding tab in the spreadsheet). Not recommended for purchase over any normal priority units.
    Multi-rail units - Not necessarily better than single-rail units but provide an extra layer of protection by having 12V OCP set lower than total capacity, which is especially relevant for very high capacity units (=>1kW). Pay attention to rails configuration when using with high power draw components to avoid shutdowns.

    See spreadsheet for changelog, methodology, detailed description of colors, review sources, notes on grayed-out units including issues like GPU incompatibility or quality and performance issues, and other additional info.

    Tier A • Recommended for high-end systems
    ( multi/single-rail switchable ) • be quiet! | Dark Power Pro 10 / Pro 11 / Pro 12
    • Cooler Master | V Platinum 2019 [MPZ]
    • Corsair | AXi (<=1500W / 1600W) - RMi - HXi [5] - HX Platinum [5] - Vengeance Silver
    • Enermax | Digifanless
    • NZXT | E ( multi-rail ) • Antec | High Current Pro [HCP] Gold / Platinum
    • be quiet! | Dark Power 12 [non-Pro] - Straight Power 11 Gold =>750W / Platinum <=750W
    • Bitfenix | Formula Gold =>650W - Whisper M =>650W
    • Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M (not V2 / -V2L)
    • Enermax | Platimax (1200/1350W) / Platimax D.F =>750W - Revolution D.F - MaxRevo 1350/1500W
    • LEPA | MaxPlatinum 1050W/1375W
    • MSI | MPG A-GF ( single-rail ) • Abkoncore | CR Platinum
    • ADATA / XPG | Core Reactor
    • Andyson | N - R - PX - TX
    • Antec | Earthwatts [EA] Gold Pro post 2018 y. [7y warranty] [4][7] / Gold Pro White - High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold post 2018 y. [7] / Extreme post 2018 y. [7] - Signature Platinum / Titanium - Edge =>850W
    • ASUS | ROG Strix / Thor
    • Chieftec / Chieftronic | Powerplay Gold / Platinum - GPS-500C Fanless
    • Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker MiJ - V Gold 2013 [RS] (Semi-modular [VSM] / Fully modular) / Gold V2 (Black [MPY-AFBAG] / White [MPY-AGBAG]) - V Platinum 2013 [RSC] - V SFX Gold
    • Corsair | AX Gold / Platinum / Titanium [8] 1000W - CS [fully modular] - RMx 2015 (Black/White) / 2018 (Black/White) / 2021 - RM 2019 [black label] / 2021 (Black/White) [triangular grille] - SF Gold / Platinum [2] - TX-M Gold
    • Cougar | GX-F (Aurum) - LLC
    • Enermax | Platimax D.F <=600w [3] - Maxtytan
    • EVGA | Supernova G2(L) / GT / GS =>850W / P2 / PS / T2 (<=1200W/1600W)
    • Fractal Design | ION Gold / SFX Gold - ION+ Platinum
    • FSP / Fortron / Quanhan | Aurum PT / Pro - Hydro G / G Pro / X / PT / PTM
    • Gamdias | Cyclops X1
    • Great Wall | E Gold (Frozen)
    • Green | Overclocking DG
    • Huntkey | MVP-G Gold - MVP-P Platinum
    • Kingwin | Stryker
    • Kolink | Continuum C-PL 1500w
    • LC Power | LC1200 Platinum
    • Lian Li | SP 750
    • Micronics | Astro Platinum
    • NZXT | C-series - H1 / NP-S-M
    • Phanteks | AMP - Revolt Pro post 2018 y. [7] - Revolt X
    • Raidmax | Monster RX-AT
    • Riotoro | Enigma G2 post 2018 y. [7]
    • Rosewill | Silent Night - Quark - Capstone G <=750W
    • SAMA / Xianma | Forza Titanium
    • Seasonic | Focus [OneSeasonic refreshes] GX / GM / PX / SGX - Prime [8] GX (<=750W / =>1000W) / (Ultra) Gold =>1000W / PX =>1000W / (Ultra) Platinum =>1000W / TX =>1000W / (Ultra) Titanium =>1000W / PRIME Snow Silent Gold [550W] - Connect
    • SilentiumPC | Supremo FM2
    • Silentmaxx | Fanless II
    • Silverstone | Decathlon Gold DA-G 1650W - Strider Gold S 1500W / Platinum PT <=850W - Nightjar SXL / ATX (Platinum / Titanium)
    • Super Flower / Zhenhua | Leadex Gold / Platinum <=1600W / Platinum SE / Titanium / II Gold / III Gold [HG] (pre/post 2020 y.) / III Gold (Pro) ARGB
    • Thermaltake | Toughpower GF1 (ARGB) / PF1 ARGB / iRGB Plus (Gold/Platinum/Titanium) / Gold Semi-Modular 1500W / DPS G (Gold / Platinum) / DPS G RGB Titanium <=1250W / Grand (non-RGB) Gold / Russian Gold 1500W
    • XFX | Pro Black FM / Limited Edition - XTR =>850W - XTS - XTI ( low priority units ) • Aerocool | Project 7 / P7
    • Antec | Earthwatts [EA] Pro Gold pre 2018 y. [7y warranty] [1][4][7] - High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold pre 2018 y. [1][7] / Extreme pre 2018 y. [1][7] - Edge <=750W - Truepower Classic
    • be quiet! | Dark Power 12 [non-Pro] - Straight Power 11 Gold <=650W / Platinum =>850W
    • Bitfenix | Formula Gold <=550W [1] - Whisper M <=550W [1]
    • CWT / Channel Well Technology | CST-P / CST-T - GPR-G - GPU-G / GPU-P
    • Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker - V Gold 2018 [MPY-AFAAGV] =>750W
    • Corsair | AX Titanium 850W [1][8] - HX Gold 650W
    • Delta | GM - GPS-HB Platinum
    • Enermax | MaxRevo 1800W [3]
    • EVGA | Supernova G3 [6] / G6 - NEX-G 1500W / PG 1500W
    • FSP / Fortron / Quanhan | Hydro GSM Pro / PTM Pro
    • Fractal Design | Edison M
    • Gigabyte | XP-M 1200
    • Green | Overclocking EVO - High Performance Plus [HP+] - HP Evo - UK Plus
    • High Power | Astro GD-F v2 [HPJ] =>1050W / PT [HPV] 1200W - Super GD
    • In Win | P - Premium Basic / PB
    • KRPW / Kuroutoshikou | GR 1000 - GK
    • Maingear | Ignition
    • Phanteks | P-GF - Revolt Pro pre 2018 y. [1][7]
    • Rosewill | Photon 1350W - Tachyon 1200W
    • Riotoro | Enigma G2 pre 2018 y. [1][7] - Builder 1200w
    • SAMA / Xianma | Armor [1] (Pure Power) Gold / Platinum - Forza [1] Gold / Platinum
    • Seasonic | Focus [pre-2018] [1][7] Gold / Plus Gold / Plus Platinum - G RM - Prime [1][8] GX 850W / (Ultra) Gold [not GX] <=850W / PX <=850W / (Ultra) Platinum <=850W / TX <=850W / (Ultra) Titanium <=850W / Fanless PX / Fanless TX / Snow Silent (Platinum [650W] / Titanium [750W]) / Airtouch - S12G RT - SSP-SFG - SSP-SUG - SSP-RT - [/COLOR][1] X Gold / Platinum / X Fanless - Snow Silent [X-series based]
    • Sentey | Golden Steel GSP-HM V2 1050W
    • Sharkoon | Silentstorm Cool Zero
    • Silverstone | Strider Gold Platinum PT =>1000W
    • Super Flower / Zhenhua | Leadex II [3] / V Gold (Pro)
    • Thermaltake | Toughpower Grand (non-RGB) Platinum / Grand RGB Gold
    • Wentai | Aidan 1616W [3]
    • XFX | TS Gold - XT Gold - XTR <=750W - XTR2 - XTS2
    • Xigmatek | Hera Gold - XFP
    • Zalman | Acrux Platinum [1] - Wattera EBTII

    [1] Units experiencing tripping issues with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega, 6900 XT and nVidia RTX3080 / 3080 Ti / 3090.
    [2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* have potential problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
    [3] Units that don't reach full rated capacity under full rated input voltage range.
    [4] Antec EA Pro Gold has versions for Chinese market made by FSP on competely different, worse, group-regulated platform (tier D). Source #1, #2.
    [5] Corsair HX1200 and HX1200i units with LOT codes in range between 2030* and 2041* may exhibit motherboard compatibility issues, entitled for advanced RMA, source.
    [6] Early EVGA G3 revisions had issues with out-of-spec performance under overload.
    [7] Older Seasonic Focus revisions (made before 2018) had transient sensitivity issues. Some new SKUs are not affected because they were released later (Seasonic Focus GM/GX/PX refreshes, Phanteks AMP, NZXT C/E etc.).
    [8] Seasonic PRIME based units experience shutdowns with RTX3080/3090 (and possibly RX6900 XT) GPUs, especially ones with unlocked power limit like FE and ASUS Strix. It is recommended, if going with such units, to overprovision wattage, 1kW for RTX3080 and 1.2kW for RTX3090, or power-limit the GPU, or performing a 'dirty' fix of disconnecting a pin of 12V V-sense wire from PSU-side connector of 24-pin motherboard cable (courtesy of Jonny Guru). Units based on post-2018 revisions of Seasonic Focus platform and majority of units by other OEMs are not affected.

    Tier B • Recommended for midrange systems
    • 1st Player | Steampunk Gold [SP]
    • Abkoncore | Tenergy Gold X50W
    • Antec | Neo Eco Gold [yellow-label] [1]
    • be quiet! | Pure Power 10 =>400W / 11 (CM) =>400W [1] / 11 FM - Straight Power E10 - SFX-L Power
    • Chieftec | Smart GPS-C / Power Smart GPS-C - Navitas GPM-C =>1000W / GPM-S / PPS-FC - Polaris <=750W - Powerup GPX-FC <=650W - SFX-GD-C - Compact CSN-C
    • Cooler Master | MWE Gold non-modular [ACAAG] / FM [AFAAG] - Reactor Gold - V Gold 2018 [MPY-AFAAGV] <=650W
    • Corsair | CX 2016 [gray label] - CS-m - CX-F RGB
    • Cougar | GEX - GX-S 2017
    • CWT / Channel Well Technology | CSH-G - CSM - CSN - PUO-G / PUO-P
    • Deepcool | DQ-M-V2L <=650W
    • Delta | GPS-FB Platinum
    • Dengen | Gold FM
    • Enermax | Platimax <=1000W/1500W
    • EVGA | Supernova B3 post 2019 y. / G(1)+ / G5 / GD 2017 / GM / GQ 850w+ / (NEX-)G(1) (PG) 1000W / PQ
    • FSP / Fortron / Quanhan | Aurum Xilenser
    • Gigabyte | Aorus AP-GM / P-W
    • Great Wall / Hunters | Titan TF Platinum - Gaming GX
    • High Power | Astro Lite / GD-F HPB <=750W / GD-F HPJ <=750W / GD-F V2 HPM - Performance GD
    • Huntkey | MVP K - WDK-K
    • Kolink | Continuum C-PL 850W - Enclave G-FM
    • LC-Power | GP4 - Arkangel III
    • LDLC / Fox Spirit | US-G / GT-P - XT-P / QS-FL / QS-FLP - QS+ - BQ+
    • LEPA | G-MA
    • Lian Li | PE SFX-L
    • Micronics | Astro GD
    • Modecom | Volcano Gold
    • Montech | Century <=650W
    • Riotoro | Onyx - Enigma Gold
    • Rosewill | Capstone G =>850W - Photon <=750W - Tokamak - Lightning
    • Seasonic | Core GC / GM / GX
    • Segotep / Colorful | GP-P <=700w - GP-T <=700w - ZP500P-SG
    • Sharkoon | Silentstorm SFX Gold
    • Skydigital | Power Station 5 Gold
    • Silverstone | Strider Gold S (V1/V2) [F-GS, non-1500W] / Titanium <=800W / Platinum PTS / Plus F-PS - SX-G 500/650/700W - SX-PT 700W - Essential Gold ET-G / ET-HG - SX-LG - SX-LTI
    • Super Flower / Zhenhua | Golden Green
    • Thermaltake | Toughpower GF [no numbers] <=650W / PF1 [non-ARGB] - TR2 Gold
    • VIVO | 24K
    • Xigmatek | Vector P
    • Xilence | Performance X
    • Zalman | EBT <=750w - Platinum ( low priority units ) • 1st Player | Armour [AR]
    • Antec | Neo Eco Gold [green-label, non-'Zen'] - Platinum
    • Aresgame | AGT
    • ASUS | TUF Bronze
    • Chieftec | Polaris =>850W
    • Cooler Master | MWE V2 [2] White [MPE] Full-range Input / V2 [2] Bronze [MPE] Full-range Input / V2 Gold non-modular [ACAAG] / V2 Gold FM [AFAAG] - G Gold - GX Gold - GX Bronze 2020 [MPX]
    • Cougar | Auric
    • Enermax | Platimax 1500/1700W [3]
    • EVGA | Supernova B3 pre 2019 y. / B5 / GA [1]
    • FSP / Fortron / Quanhan | Dagger Pro - Hydro S
    • Golden Field | GPG
    • Great Wall / Hunters | G-series Gold - Titan TF Bronze
    • Kolink | Continuum V2 1000/1200W
    • KRPW / Kuroutoshikou | AK
    • In Win | Classic Basic CB - PF
    • Micronics | Compact SFX-L PT
    • Rampage | Everest Forza FTX / ETX
    • Seasonic | B12 BC - G12 GC
    • Segotep / Colorful | KL
    • Sentey | Solid SDP-SS
    • SilentiumPC | Supremo M1 Gold
    • Silverstone | ET-MG - Revolution SFX - Strider Gold S [F-GS] v3 - SX-PT 750W - VIVA Gold
    • Super Flower | Leadex III Bronze PRO - Legion HX / GX Pro
    • Xigmatek | Minotaur
    • Xilence | SQ

    [1] Units experiencing tripping issues with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega, 6900 XT and nVidia RTX3080 / 3080 Ti / 3090.
    [2] Cooler Master MWE V2 White and Bronze units have high ripple issues on very low load also resulting in increased coil whine, fix pending.
    [3] Units that don't reach full rated capacity under full rated input voltage range.
     
    Tier C • Recommended for cheap mid/low-end systems
    • Abkoncore | Tenergy Bronze
    • Abysm | Morpheo
    • ADATA | XPG Pylon
    • ADX | Power W Gold
    • Aerocool | KCAS M 850 / Plus / G(M)
    • Aigo | ES Gold
    • Andyson | H6 / GX - M5+ =>550W / BX
    • Antec | Earthwatts [EA] Gold EVO - High Current Gamer [HCG] Bronze 2012 (M) =>750W - Neo Eco II - VP-F Bronze
    • be quiet! | Dark Power Pro P8 / P9 - System Power 9 =>400W / CM / U9 =>400W / B9 =>400W - Power Zone
    • Bitfenix | Formula Bronze
    • Chieftec | Core BBS - PowerUp GPX-FC =>750W [2] - Proton BDF-S / BDF-C - Navitas GPM-C <=850W - A-90 - Silicon SLC-C - Photon Gold GDP-C-RGB - APS-CB =>750
    • Coba | NitroX Nobility
    • Cooler Master | GM - GX Bronze 2015 [RS-ACAA-B3] - MWE V1 Bronze [MPX] =>600W - Masterwatt (TUF) - Silent Pro Hybrid / M2 =>720W
    • Corsair | CX 2013 [green label] =>750W - CX-M 2015 [green label] =>750W / 2017 [gray label] - GS Bronze - CV 650/750W - HX Gold =>750W - Vengeance Bronze - Enthusiast TX v2 - RM 2013 [orange-label]
    • Cougar | LX - CMD - CMX v3 - GX v1/v2/v3
    • CWT / Channel Well Technology | CSB - GPN - GPS S-G
    • Deepcool | Quanta DQ - DQ-ST - DQ Evo
    • Delta | GPS-JB / AB
    • Enermax | Revobron - Revolution Duo / X't / X't II
    • EVGA | Supernova B2 - GD 2019 -V* - GQ <=750W - BQ - B 500/600/700W
    • Fractal Design | Integra M - Newton R3 - Tesla R2
    • FSP / Fortron / Quanhan | Raider II - HEXA 85+ - Hydro GE / Pro - Hyper M85+
    • Gamdias | Astrape P1 - Kratos P1
    • Gigabyte | G750H - P650B - Sumo Platinum
    • Great Wall | M 1200
    • High Power | Astro GD-F [HPJ] =>850W - Direct12 Bronze =>750W / Bronze II
    • In Win | A1 Plus - Classic C
    • iTek | Taurus GF
    • Kingwin | Absolute Platinum - Lazer Gold / Platinum
    • Kolink | Continuum 1050/1200W
    • LC Power | Gold Series - Prophecy RGB
    • LDLC / Fox Spirit | TA
    • LEPA | MaxGold - G-MAS
    • Montech | Gamma (II) - Alpha (X)
    • Mistel | Vision MX Gold / Platinum
    • NZXT | HALE82 / HALE90 / HALE90 V2
    • OCZ / PC Power & Cooling | Silencer MK III =>750W / Platinum 1050W - ZT - ZX
    • PC Cooler | GI-P
    • Powerspec | PS-GSM / PS-GFM - PSX-GFM
    • Riotoro | Builder 500/600W
    • Rosewill | Arc 750W - Capstone -XXX / -XXXM / -1000-M - Hercules (-S) 1600W - Hive - Hive S =>750W - Lightning - Tachyon <=1000W
    • Seasonic | G GP / SSR-GP / SSP-GT - M12II (EVO) x50W - S12D Silver - S12 Energy Plus - SS-HT <=650W / =>750W
    • Sentey | Platinum LTP-SM - Golden Steel GSP-HM (1200/1600W) / GSP-SM (850/1050W)- Metal Extreme MHP-XM 1000W - Metal Blade MBP-HM 1000W
    • Sharkoon | WPM Gold Zero - Silentstorm Icewind
    • SilentiumPC | Supremo [3] L2 / M2 - Vero L3 / M3
    • Silverstone | SFX-L SX-LPT 1000 - Strider Bronze ST-SF / Gold ST-SF-G
    • Super Flower / Zhenhua | Golden Green / King - Iceberg Kingdee - Leadex Silver / Platinum 2000W - Platinum King
    • Thermaltake | BlueEvo 2.0 - Smart BM2 / DPS G Gold X50W / G / Gold X00W / Pro RGB / M =>750W / SP-P 750W - Toughpower DPS G RGB Gold / GX1 (RGB) / Gold Semi-Modular <=1200W / European Gold <=650W / Russian Gold (<=750W / 850-1200W) / SFX [non-'TT Premium Edition'] / Grand RGB Gold Sync Edition / Grand RGB Platinum - TR2 RX Bronze =>850W
    • ThunderX3 | Plexus
    • Vinga | VPS Gold / Platinum
    • XFX | Black Edition Silver - Core =>650W - TS Bronze =>650W - Pro XXX
    • Xigmatek | Cerberus (III) S =>550W - Centauro
    • Xilence | Performance A+ X30w / A+ III X50W
    • Zalman | EBT =>850W - GVM =>850W - GigaMax GVII - LX 700W - TX
    ( low priority units ) • 1st Player | DK Premium
    • Aerocool | Strike-X =>800W - GT S Bronze =>700W / SG Gold - Aero Bronze
    • Antec | Atom G [purple-label] - High Current Gamer [HCG] 2018 - Neo Eco Gold [NE] Gold M / Zen
    • Apevia | Prestige
    • Aresgame | AGS - AGK
    • BR ONE | Rainbow
    • Boostboxx | Power Boost 600/700W
    • Chieftec | Nitro2 85+ BPS-C2 - APS-C 1000W
    • Cooler Master | MWE V2 [1] White [MPE] 230V Only / V2 [1] Bronze [MPE] 230V Only
    • Corsair | CX-m 2021 [triangular grille]
    • Cougar| BXM
    • Deepcool | DA-N 500/600W - DQ-M-V2L =>750W [2]
    • Enermax | Marblebron
    • EVGA | BA - BR - GD 2019 -B* - Supernova M1 1300W
    • FSP / Fortron / Quanhan | Hydro GD / GSM Lite PRO / MX / K Pro / (M) Pro Bronze - HV Pro - MS 600W - SFX Pro
    • Galax | GL
    • Golden Field | ATX-W Gold - Gold Medal A+ EPS-ELG / ALG
    • Gamemax / Gamepower| RGB Gold
    • Gigabyte | P-GM 1000W
    • Great Wall / Hunters | Fire
    • Green | ESD - EUD - HED - UK
    • G.Skill | MB-G [2] - PS-G / PS-P
    • High Power | Performance Pro
    • Hiper | HPB-FM - HPB-RGB
    • Huntkey | GS
    • IPPON | Platinum
    • Itek | GF EVO
    • In Win | Compact / CS - F1
    • Kolink | Classic KL-v2 / Modular KL-M
    • KRPW / Kuroutoshikou | BR
    • LC Power | Gold Series - Prophecy RGB
    • Micronics | Astro G - Compact SFX GD - Classic II Bronze - Cyclone III - Performance II PV - Zero
    • Montech | Century =>750W [2]
    • PowerBoost| Rage
    • Powerspec | PS-BSM 750W
    • Raidmax | Cobra AE Gold =>850 / AE-B / AE-M - Vortex Gold AE-V - Vampire GH
    • Rampage| Everest ETX
    • Rosewill | Glacier 850/1000W - Fortress - Photon 850/1000/1200W - Tachyon =>850W - Lepton - Valens
    • Seasonic | S12II EVO
    • Segotep / Colorful | GP-G [4]
    • Silverstone | Decathlon Gold DA-G 850 [2] - SFX SX-B / SX-G 600W - VIVA Bronze
    • Skydigital | Validus LP
    • Super Flower / Zhenhua | Eco Silver
    • Thermaltake | Toughpower GF [no numbers] =>750W [2] [without number] / GF2 ARGB / GX2 / European Gold =>750W / Russian Gold GF1 / SFX ['TT Premium Edition']
    • Xigmatek | Hydra M - Shogun G - Tauro 700W
    • Zalman | Wattgiga

    [1] MWE V2 units have high ripple issues on very low load also resulting in increased coil whine, fix pending.
    [2] High wattage CWT GPX based units have problems with failing burn-in test under sub 90VAC input, treat as 230V only, (Jonny Guru).
    [3] Units experiencing tripping issues with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega and high-end nVidia Ampere.
    [4] Two versions of Segotep GP-G exist, older v1 version is non-LLC resonant and they're very hard to extinguish externally, hence model tiering based on v1.
     
    Tier D • Recommended only for very cheap, iGPU systems

    • 1st Player | Black Sir [BS] - Black Widow - DK (non-modular / fully-modular) [non-'Premium']- FK - PRO
    • Abko / Suitmaster | Mighty
    • Aerocool | Aero White - Cyclon - KCAS (M) Bronze (<=800W,1000W) - Lux RGB - Strike-X <=600W - VX (Plus) (RGB)
    • Andyson | M5+ 450W
    • Antec | Ares AP - Atom / V [teal label] / B [yellow label] - Basiq 80 Plus / VP Plus / VP-P (Plus) / VP-PC - Cuprum Strike [CSK] - Earthwatts [EA] Gold Pro [3/4y warranty] [4] / Platinum / 80+ / (D) Green - Neo Eco Classic NE-C (X50W/X20W) / Modular NE-M / NE-M v2 - NX
    • Apexgaming | AI - AG - AN - AJ - AX - STG
    • Aresgame | AG / AGW - AGV
    • Argus | APS - RGB
    • AZZA | PSAZ
    • be quiet! | Pure Power L8 / L9 / 10 <=350W / 11 <=350W - Straight Power E8 / E9 - SFX Power / Power 2 - System Power 7 / 8
    • CWT / Channel Well Technology | GPA - GPB - GPK - GPT - GPM
    • Chieftec | Photon Bronze CTG-C-RGB - A-80 - Task TPS-S - Force CPS-S - Neutron <=600W BLC-S - APB-8B - APS-C <=650W - APS-CB <=650W - APS-S - APS-SB - GPA-S8 - GPB-S - GPC-S - GPE-S - GPS-A8 - ELP-S - SFX-BS - PSF-B
    • Cooler Master | GX 2010 [RS-ACAA-D3 ] - GXII - MWE V1 Bronze [MPW] / V1 White [MPX] <=550W - Masterwatt Lite - Silent Pro M2 <=620W
    • Corsair | Builder CX 2012 <=600W [green-label] / CX-M 2012 <=600W [green-label] - CV <=550W - VS 2017 [gray-label] / 2020 [black-label]
    • Cougar | A - CMX v1/v2 - STE - STX - VTC - VTE - VTX - XTC
    • Deepcool | DA / DA-M / DA-N 700W - DN
    • Delta | GPS-HB A Bronze
    • EVGA | BT - B <=600W - BV - Supernova G5 1000w <2020 / GS 550/650W [3] / NEX-B / PB / NEX-G <=750W / G(1) <=750W / PG <=750W - W2 / W3
    • Enermax | Cyberbron - NaXn 82+ - MaxPro / MaxPro II
    • FSP / Fortron / Quanhan | Aurum 92+ / CM / Gold / S- Dagger SDA - Raider - HD - Hexa 80+ - HEXA+ (II) - Hyper / S / M / K - Hammer - Hydro / K - PNR - PNR-i - PNR Pro - 60GHS / 60GHS(85) - 60HHN
    • Fractal Design | Integra R2 / SFX
    • Gamdias | Astrape E1 / M1 (Bronze/White) - Helios E1 White - Kratos E1
    • Gamemax / Gamepower | GP - GM
    • Gigabyte | BH - PB500 - PW
    • Golden Field | GPB
    • Great Wall / Hunters | Gaming G-series Bronze - BH - Lightning
    • Green | ECO / ECO rev 3.1
    • High Power | Astro GD [HPA] / PT [HPA] 700W - Element Smart EP-S - Simplicity ST HPG-T12S
    • Hiper | HPB-SM
    • Huntkey | MVP Bronze
    • Hydance | HY-CT
    • In Win | A
    • Kolink | Core - SFX
    • KRPW / Kuroutoshikou | L5 - N
    • LC Power | GP3 Silver - Super Silent - Silent Giant GP3 Bronze
    • LDLC / Fox Spirit | EC - BG - FP
    • Micronics | Caslon II - Compact SFX Bronze <=450W - Classic II 80+ - Zero Plus
    • Montech | Beta
    • NZXT | HALE82 V2 / HALE82-N / HALE90 V2S
    • OCZ / PC Power & Cooling | Silencer MK III <=600W - ModXStream Pro
    • Powerspec | PS-BF - PS BGM <=650w
    • Raidmax | Thunder V2 RX-AP / RGB RX-AP-R - Cobra AC-B / AF-B - Vortex Bronze / White
    • Rosewill | Arc <=650W - Arc M - Hive S <=650W - Glacier <=700W - TFX Bronze - TFX Gold
    • Seasonic | SS-ET
    • Sentey | Thillium X [TXP-HM] - Metal Blade [MBP-HS/MBP-HM] <=850W
    • Segotep | BP
    • Sharkoon | WPC Bronze
    • Silverstone | Essential ET-ARGB - Strider Gold Evolution [ST-G] - Strider Essential ET-B / F-ES / F-ES230 / F-ESB / F-ESG - Strider Titanium =>1100W / Plus F-PB - SFX-L SX-LPT 700
    • Skydigital | Power Station 5 80+ White
    • Superflower | Bronze King - Bronze FX - Mega
    • Tacens | Radix VII
    • Thermaltake | Smart 80+ / SE / BM1 / BX1 (RGB) / DPS G Bronze X00W / 80+ RGB / M <=650W / SP-P (X30W/650W) / German series Bronze (Pro RGB) - TR2 Bronze / S X50W / 80+ White / RX 80+ White / RX Bronze <=750W - Toughpower DPS G RGB Titanium 1500W - Litepower (RGB)
    • Xigmatek | Centauro S - Cerberus (III) S450 - Spectrum - Tauro <=600W - X-Power I / II / III - Z-Power
    • Xilence | Gaming - Performance C / A
    • Zalman | GLX - GS - GT - GV - GVM <=700W - LE - LE II - LX - LXII - Megamax TXII
     
    ( low priority units )
    • Aerocool | Integrator - Lux RGB - VX (Plus) (RGB)
    • Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Bronze 2012 <=620W [1] - VP-F 80+
    • Apevia | Jupiter
    • Bitfenix | BPA - Fury
    • EVGA | W1
    • Modecom | Volcano Bronze
    • Seasonic | A12 [2] - Eco Plus [1] - S12II 80+ / Bronze [1] / EVO [2] - S12III [2] - M12II (EVO) [1] x20W - ECO [1] SSP-ST / SS-BT / SS-ES
    • Sentey | SDP 80+
    • SilentiumPC | Elementum E2 - Vero L2 / M2 - Supremo M1 Platinum
    • Vinga | VPS-B - VPS-P
    • XFX | XT Bronze [1] - TS Bronze <=550W [1] - Core <=550W [1]

    [1] Seasonic S12II Bronze and related units have or had UVP issues, source.
    [2] Seasonic S12III, S12II EVO and A12 - OCP (on any rails) not claimed, nor present in supervisor IC, neither does 12V UVP/OVP. No reviews to prove otherwise.
    [3] OCP not present on any rails apparently. No reviews to prove otherwise.
    [4] Antec EA Pro Gold has versions for Chinese market made by FSP on competely different, worse, group-regulated platform (tier D). Source #1, #2.

    Tier E • Potentially dangerous in multiple scenarios

    • Armageddon | All units
    • BR ONE | BR-X
    • Corsair | VS 2012 [orange-label]
    • Cooler Master | Elite - Realpower - B2
    • Diablotek | All units
    • EVGA | N1 - N2
    • Gigabyte | P-GM [non-Aorus] <=850W [1]
    • LEPA | MaxBron
    • NOX | All units [2]
    • Raidmax | Non-rated units
    • Rasurbo | All units
    • Solid Gear | Neutron
    • Tacens | All units
    • Trust | All units
    • Ultron | All units

    [1] Very high DOA rate and underrated FETs that explode under high stress, source.
    [2] Review samples manipulation / hardware swap
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    Narmonteam reacted to Gegger in [EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8   
    I'll count the number of haters this time
     
    actually that'd take too long considering SOME PEOPLE don't give feedback on how to improve it
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    Narmonteam reacted to yakatz in Gaming Monitor Buyer’s Guide - Late 2019   
    The best displays are 16:10 ratio - nothing else matters.
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    Narmonteam reacted to samcool55 in Should you buy a $50 CPU??   
    That single dimm stick is really painful to see.
    Ryzen is known to benefit from dual-channel on the higher-end so it seems crazy to me they didn't think that it would also be a big deal on the low-end...
     
    And 2x4gig costs basically the same as 1x8gig anyway so it's not a cost thing.
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    Narmonteam reacted to GDRRiley in Should you buy a $50 CPU??   
    I think the R5 1600AF deserved a mention at 85$.
    2666 or maybe 2800 should be a reasonable memory speed. there is plenty of cheap 2666 sticks
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    Narmonteam reacted to flashiling in Water Cooling is DEAD. Meet the THERMOSIPHON!   
    in defense of linus and the guys i haven't seen a video of a review where they didn't mention if they sent them their item or if it was a paid review.
    If someone sent them a new GPU that should battle the 2080 and it's made from IBM (don't know why they would make gaming gpu's but let's roll with it) they might not be sponsoring the video but they would still send the card hoping that it is interesting enough for linus and the others to make a video about it and get "free" advertising.
     
    But then they also mention that IBM did send them the card but it wouldn't be a sponsored video since there isn't any contract or any agreement about making a video
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    Narmonteam reacted to LinusTech in Water Cooling is DEAD. Meet the THERMOSIPHON!   
    No, it isn't. 
     
    If we're paid to make a video, you'll see a disclosure in the first 30 seconds in both text and verbal form. End of story.
     
    Yes, there are folks out there who aren't disclosing, but it doesn't happen here.
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    Narmonteam reacted to LinusTech in Water Cooling is DEAD. Meet the THERMOSIPHON!   
    If we were paid to look at this product we would have said so. We have received no money from them whatsoever. 
     
    Please do not spread misinformation. 
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    Narmonteam reacted to SkyHound0202 in Thread for Linus Tech Tips Video Suggestions   
    Here you go.
    Also this: 
    http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-liquid-cooler/masterliquid-maker-92/
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    Narmonteam reacted to Computernaut in Thread for Linus Tech Tips Video Suggestions   
    The HP Omen X 65 Experium. It's a 65-inch 4K gaming TV with G-Sync, HDR, 144 Hz refresh-rate; the works.
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