Tom H

for my 3700x system, I bought Samsung b-die memory....this one: Gskill ddr4 3200mhz CL14
 
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232217?Description=gskill&cm_re=gskill-_-20-232-217-_-Product
 
I'm currently running it at stock voltage @ 3600mhz 16-16-16. Its the best memory I've ever used. Just set and go out of the box. no fuss, all performance

then you are good

I talked with the retailers, they said they will update the BIOS for me

a lot of people recommend B450 tomahawk because many reviewers recommend it. but my experience is these youtubers often make hard things look real simple lol. On paper, it makes a lot of sense. B450 tomahawk is cheap, and has strong VRMs...however, to this day, MSI still haven't gotten the bios right on the Tomahawk. From what I see, it is 50/50 if you get it working good or not. So I'd stay away from the B450 Tomahawk until they have a good bios.
 
i was a very early adopter of 3rd Gen Ryzen on B450. Bought them 2 days after ryzen 3000 was released. I built 2 new Ryzen systems and went with MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon ACs...at first, there were also bios gremlins. The computers would have trouble booting. It would take multiple tries. Once booted, they were rock solid. HOWEVER, as of Bios Version 18, they fixed everything. The computers (look at my sig) are now rock solid, no issues, and the B450 Pro Carbon maxes my 3700x. I have no problems recommending this board now

gotta say msi carbon pro b450 and i think most will agree

i've built 2 new ryzen systems with the MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC...the price tag was definitely worth it to me. it is probably the king of B450 boards. Good feature set, strong VRMs, and it maxes out my 3700x. 
 
Regardless, if you don't go X570,  just make sure the B450/X470 has bios flashback (i.e., can update bios with usb flashdrive and without CPU installed). MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC has this too.
 
List of AM4 boards with bios flashback:
https://premiumbuilds.com/motherboards/list-of-motherboards-with-usb-bios-flashback/
 

3600 all the way.  For gaming, there is no comparison, the 3600 is much better. If you are worried about photoshop, don't. Photoshop is actually faster on 3600 than on 2700x. The IPC improvements more than make up for the 2 additional cores
 

Only if it's a good unit. VS550 is not. If you can afford USD$1,200 for a top of the line RTX2080Ti graphics card you can afford more than $40 on a budget PSU.

What country are you in so we know what is available? If you wanted to stick with Corsair then I would recommend the RMx series for a 2080Ti.

I 100% agree with this, 3600 and 3600x are indeed the same processor. Online reviewers are getting the EXACT same boosted mhz with them when they use the same good aftermarket cooler on them
 
I'll go further to say that the 3600x isn't worth it because the stock cooler, although better than the one that comes with the 3600, really isn't that good if you want to max PBO. 
 
My recommendation is to go 3600 and buy a decent $30-40 cooler like an Arctic Freezer eSports 34. In the end, it is STILL cheaper going this route than buying 3600x

Like stated that would be too much motherboard for too little CPU.
 
Also R5 3600X doesn't make sense unless you're buying it for the stock cooler since the R5 3600 is the same processor.

I've built 2 new Ryzen systems (a 3600 and 3700x) on MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon ACs. It had some early adoption gremlins with the bios, but since Bios version 18, it is 100% stable and all gremlins gone. i have no trouble recommending this board. The pro carbon has the strongest VRM's of any B450, and it also has bios flashback so you can update the bios with a usb drive, without cpu installed.
 
I know many in the review community are recommending the B450 tomahawk because it has strong VRMs, but based on my experience with it, it is 50/50 even with the new bios if it will even post with the new Ryzen so stay away from it if you want to avoid potential headaches

I'd suggest saving some more money, and upgrading the platform to AM4

better not stick to fx platform and suggest at least ryzen 1600 if he has really tight bugdet
dont go below r5 1600 and ideally aim for r5 3600

200 for that? sigh..... too high imo

i can agree with this. I swapped out the stock coolers in both my 3600x and 3700x systems because they whine. It isn't terribly loud under normal usage, but they keep whining and its annoying.
 
Actually the RGB cooler from the 3700x is very beefy for a stock cooler. I was impressed...except for the whine

Sounds like textbook short with a solder point on the mobo touching metal.
 
You likely have a standoff in the case touching the back of the mobo.  I would take everything out and do a breadboard (google breadboarding a PC)

The Tomahawk has better VRMs for overclocking, but the Aorus Elite will do well too.
 
If you have the extra budget, I'd go for the Tomahawk, but the Aorus will work.

The Aorus is good for the price, but only if you don't mind a terrible overclocking UI and other annoying BIOS shortcomings. For the user who just sets XMP and leaves everything else, it's great, but if you want options, the tomahawk is worth it.

csgo? You are running a 4790k @4.6ghz and a gtx 1080? You are probably already getting 500 fps. I defintely would not spend money on a 7800x as you would probably lose fps
 
Going to a modern ryzen platform might get you 600fps but at some point you have to ask yourself if its worth it lol

No. A bad power supply would result in shutdowns and restarts

There is a big difference in the cooler...the heatsink portion of the cooler included in the 3600x is twice as large as the one that comes with the 3600 (non x), but both coolers have the same fan though
 
I bought a 3600x for my wife, but found the stock cooler, although adequate, to be loud and whiny. So I ended up swapping it for a $25 THermaltake Silent Contac. Ironically, this cheap cooler dropped my temps 15 degrees vs the stock cooler and has allowed PBO to maintain higher boost clocks as a result
 
SO if I were to do it again, I would get a 3600 (non-x), buy a $30 tower cooler (that will be better than both coolers) and PBO will allow for very similar clock speeds on both processors

The new version of the bios for B450 Tomahawk is solving a lot of the issues posting, booting, "red LED cpu debug light on" problems so it may be worth checking reddit or similar to see
 
I personally have 2 x MSI B450 Pro Carbon ACs paired with a 3600x and a 3700x. On the initial version 17 bios, I experienced some weird startup behavior, however, MSI's latest version 18 bios has fixed everything for me so i have no issues recommending this board with the new 3rd gen ryzen now
 
I believe they applied similar fixes to the B450 tomahawk bios so it may be worth investigating

here is a list of mobos that have bios flashback (update bios without a cpu installed). I have 2 new ryzen systems on MSI B450 Pro Carbon Ac motherboards (a 3600x and 3700x) and both are running great. The last bios update version 18 has fixed all my previous gremlins so I have no problems recommending it. I'm not sure what the status of the Tomahawk is. Last I heard, many people still have issues with it and the ryzen 3000s so I would avoid it for now
 
ASRock (BIOS Flashback)
None!
ASUS (USB BIOS Flashback)
ASUS Crosshair VI Extreme
ASUS Crosshair VI Hero
ASUS Crosshair VI Hero (Wi-Fi AC)
ASUS Crosshair VII Hero
ASUS Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi)
Gigabyte (Q-Flash Plus)
None!
MSI (Flash BIOS Button) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE]
MSI B450 Gaming Plus
MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
MSI B450 Tomahawk
MSI B450-A Pro
MSI B450M Bazooka Plus
MSI B450M Gaming Plus
MSI B450M Mortar
MSI B450M Mortar Titanium
MSI X370 Gaming M7 ACK
MSI X370 XPower Gaming Titanium
MSI X470 Gaming M7 AC

you'll have no issues hitting 3000mhz with 3rd gen ryzen
 
I have gskill 3200mhz CL14 (samsung b-die) running at 3600mhz 16-16-16 1.35v on both my new ryzen systems

no, there will be no issues with the 3700x and gtx 1060