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then you are good

get the 3600 non x...3600 and 3600x are literally the same cpu. With a $30-40 after market tower cooler, both will boost to the exact mhz (or near mhz based on silicon lottery)

just make sure you have a way to flash the bios. That board does not have bios flashback (i.e., the ability to flash bios with usb flash drive without a cpu, ram installed)

Absolutely go X570 if you're going to upgrade to the 3950x. It will require a lot of juice to power that.

That's what I went with...MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC, probably the king of B450 boards, it has a great feature set, very good VRMs and it maxes my 3700x. There really is no need to go to X570 for 3700x and under. BUT, if I was going to go to 3900x, i would go to x570, probably the ASUS X570 TUF PLUS (wifi). You won't have to sell a body part to pay for it and its power delivery is solid

I'm finding the best performance by not using Ryzen master at all. I enable PBO in the bios. I'm finding that with Ryzen Master, my cpu voltage is through the roof, which raises temps and lowers boost clocks. i haven't really had time to experiment, but in the meantime, I leave PBO enabled in the bios and that's all.

a lot of people recommend B450 tomahawk because many reviewers recommend it. but my experience is these youtubers often make hard things look real simple lol. On paper, it makes a lot of sense. B450 tomahawk is cheap, and has strong VRMs...however, to this day, MSI still haven't gotten the bios right on the Tomahawk. From what I see, it is 50/50 if you get it working good or not. So I'd stay away from the B450 Tomahawk until they have a good bios. i was a very early adopter of 3rd Gen Ryzen on B450. Bought them 2 days after ryzen 3000 was released. I built 2 new Ryzen systems and went with MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon ACs...at first, there were also bios gremlins. The computers would have trouble booting. It would take multiple tries. Once booted, they were rock solid. HOWEVER, as of Bios Version 18, they fixed everything. The computers (look at my sig) are now rock solid, no issues, and the B450 Pro Carbon maxes my 3700x. I have no problems recommending this board now

depends...are you going to do overclocking? For stock, it is adequate. I've seen reviews on this board where the VRM temps are off the charts high while overclocking. This is something to think about if you care about longevity

i've built 2 new ryzen systems with the MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC...the price tag was definitely worth it to me. it is probably the king of B450 boards. Good feature set, strong VRMs, and it maxes out my 3700x. Regardless, if you don't go X570, just make sure the B450/X470 has bios flashback (i.e., can update bios with usb flashdrive and without CPU installed). MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC has this too. List of AM4 boards with bios flashback: https://premiumbuilds.com/motherboards/list-of-motherboards-with-usb-bios-flashback/

oh fantastic. You will like this board. I've recommended it to a few people now. What did you do this time to get it to work?

it is amazon, you WILL get a refund

yea, if I was to do it over again, I'd probably just buy the X570. I probably wasted 2 days bios flashing, trouble shooting at the beginning. I was a very early adopter and MSI just didn't have a stable bios out yet....but like I said earlier, since Bios Version 18, both my 3600 and 3700x are running rock solid. Actually, even on Bios ver 17, it was very stable...my only issue with both systems was that it would have trouble booting. It would take multiple tries to boot the computer, but once booted, it was great. This was resolved in version 18.

which one did you get? MSI Tomahawk? Alot of people having issues with this one. I've built 2 new ryzen systems (3600 and 3700x) on the MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC and it is rock solid with Bios version 18 But if you don't want the headaches of bios flashing and praying, I'd just get the X570. It is much more hassle free. The ASUS TUF Plus X570 you listed above is a great choice...it is probably the best price/performance/feature set of any X570 at the mid tier

3600 all the way. For gaming, there is no comparison, the 3600 is much better. If you are worried about photoshop, don't. Photoshop is actually faster on 3600 than on 2700x. The IPC improvements more than make up for the 2 additional cores

I 100% agree with this, 3600 and 3600x are indeed the same processor. Online reviewers are getting the EXACT same boosted mhz with them when they use the same good aftermarket cooler on them I'll go further to say that the 3600x isn't worth it because the stock cooler, although better than the one that comes with the 3600, really isn't that good if you want to max PBO. My recommendation is to go 3600 and buy a decent $30-40 cooler like an Arctic Freezer eSports 34. In the end, it is STILL cheaper going this route than buying 3600x

If you are going to B450 or x470, you will need to update the bios first to support the new Ryzen 3000s, so bios flashback (update bios via usb flash drive without CPU installed) is something that you should look at. Here is a list of Am4 boards with bios flashback: https://premiumbuilds.com/motherboards/list-of-motherboards-with-usb-bios-flashback/ I've built 2 new ryzen systems (3600 and 3700x) on MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC's. This board I can recommend...it has probably the best VRM's for B450 and is the most feature packed B450 that I know of. It has bios flashback and it maxes out my 3700x no problems If you want to move up to 3900 or higher in the future, I'd consider going with X570. The best board VRM wise and feature wise per price/performance that I researched was the ASUS X570 TUF Plus (wifi). It is only marginally more expensive than the cheap x570s, but was rated highly by reviewers.

I've built 2 new Ryzen systems (a 3600 and 3700x) on MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon ACs. It had some early adoption gremlins with the bios, but since Bios version 18, it is 100% stable and all gremlins gone. i have no trouble recommending this board. The pro carbon has the strongest VRM's of any B450, and it also has bios flashback so you can update the bios with a usb drive, without cpu installed. I know many in the review community are recommending the B450 tomahawk because it has strong VRMs, but based on my experience with it, it is 50/50 even with the new bios if it will even post with the new Ryzen so stay away from it if you want to avoid potential headaches

what is the purpose of this? For gaming? I'd look at someone unloading their core i5 8400 and motherboard. You can find them for that price. it is a great gaming cpu still in 2019.

for my 3700x system, I bought Samsung b-die memory....this one: Gskill ddr4 3200mhz CL14 https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232217?Description=gskill&cm_re=gskill-_-20-232-217-_-Product I'm currently running it at stock voltage @ 3600mhz 16-16-16. Its the best memory I've ever used. Just set and go out of the box. no fuss, all performance

200 for that? sigh..... too high imo

performance between those two are a virtual tie, but in the end, although the timings on the ripjaws are a little loose, i'd go with the ddr4 3600 as recommended by AMD for 3rd gen Ryzen.

B450 is more than enough for a 3700x. You get full performance from the new 3rd gen ryzens from B450 boards. AMD has come out and said themselves that the B450, X470 boards will have same performance on par with x570 with the ryzen 3000...and you want a motherboard that has bios flashback...which allows you to update the bios with a usb flashdrive without a cpu and ram installed List of older am4 boards with bios flashback: https://premiumbuilds.com/motherboards/list-of-motherboards-with-usb-bios-flashback/ I have my 3700x on MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC which has strong VRMs and is a feature packed B450 board...it also has bios flashback. I've built two new ryzen systems with this board and have had no issues with it since the bios version 18 so I can wholeheartedly recommend this board. There will also be some who recommend the B450 Tomahawk which also has bios flashback...but even to this day, all I hear are issues with that board and its bios so I'd stay away from the b450 Tomahawk if you want to avoid potential headaches

i have 2 new ryzen systems (a 3600 and 3700x) each using MSI B450 Pro Carbon ACs. You don't really need x570 for 3700x. Even on B450, I'm maxxing out the 3700x on PBO BUT If you want a x570 without going crazy in price, my pick is the Asus TUF X570 Gaming Plus (Wi Fi). The price is decent, and it was reviewed very favorably by TechSpot compared to more expensive X570 boards https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-X570-Plus-Motherboard-Lighting/dp/B07SXF8GY3/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=asus+x570+tuf+gaming+plus+wifi&qid=1566426506&s=gateway&sr=8-1

what cpu is this for? Ryzen 3000? Ram matters a lot more for ryzen performance (than it does for an intel) if you link those 2 so I can see the timings on the Ripjaws, I can give you my recommendation

I read that for AM4, the hyper 212 forces you to mount with the fan pointing up which screws with air-flow. I'm not sure if this has been addressed or not