Otto_iii

Simple question, just asking

Bad settings not worth using, if its not stable in literally everything its poo

If you go 5700 series i'd recommend PowerColor, that is all i can recommend for that, likely Red Devil series for noise. Consistently PowerColor has had good thermals, with practical default fan curves that keep the card inaudible if not under hard load. For 2060 Super etc couldn't tell you. Worse case for any card, setup a reasonable fan curve yourself either in MSI Afterburner for Nvidea cards, or Wattman for AMD cards.

on average a 30-50mv undervolt won't hurt any performance, average clockspeeds, benchmark scores, but will reduce temps. If you are paranoid then use a program like Afterburner+RTSS, or ideally just reference actual clockspeed in wattman. For Navi 10 1940-1960 actual clocks is a good place to be, set clocks are higher (Target Clocks, basically what it is), but i mean actual reported consistent clockspeed. keep in mind the defaults are there for the worst of the worst silicon, that is just how these specific cards are being produced, and how their vbios is configured. So far as clockspeeds? Personally i haven't found much use in going above 2020@1161mv for my card (my silicon is likely mediocre or bad, given previous underclock comparisons i did to other cards), it runs cool and benchmarks same as most 2100mhz cards i encounter, unless you are watercooled there isn't a reason to go much higher then about 2000-ish clocks, you might be able to run benchmarks, games etc, but from what i've seen without ultra low temps, or likewise reasonable temps at higher voltages (1.2v-ish) the actual performance isn't there over a more reasonable 2000-ish clockspeed + 1115-1160mv oc Always validate in actual games after overclocking, likewise if under-volting.

if you can get a 2070 Super for no more then about 500USD, then get that, the 2080 Super with a VRAM overclock gets very close to the 2080ti both are kinda poo value though so i dono tbh, flash a 300$ 5700 tbh

do a firestrike, timespy (both come free with 3dmark demo on steam), or superposition (1080p ultra setting) benchmark, then maybe we can help identify if its actually even under performing

hard to go over 9000 on zen+ cpu

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imagine buying a 2080ti

sli has basically no practical applications anymore, don't fork your money out for it

check this video out Basically the best used hardware district in japan, is likewise in the part of tokyo best known for maid cafe's and otaku stuff. This video series is a 4 parter iirc, this is where he found the best deals in all of Japan... Akihabara basically is where you wanna go

It will work great and be a good pairing for CPU you have

old threadrippers, sadly, are worse then 3900x in all tasks you are looking for (i think only exception is if you need tonnes of PCI slots, which likely you don't), just get on AM4 and enjoy it I'll attempt not to repost same video 5x times in one day, so here is a slightly different one just to drive the point home

its just motherboard restriction if AMD CPU's can be overclocked, otherwise they all can, obviously yours can enjoy your OC, next time you see your friend point and laugh at them

1400 with 4 core 8 threads will be okay i'd check see if there are better deals on GPUs, a basic rx570 in most markets costs about same as 1050ti but is vastly superior, VASTLY, but i'm not in philipenes So far as memory compatibility that is somewhat related to motherboard, but mostly related to the CPU, BIOS updates can help but there is a certain limitation for this which cannot be exceeded, so going with decen 2666 memory is likely good idea. That motherboard isn't fantastic, but if its all you can find for a good deal, it should be fine for any potential 6-core configuration or upgrade in the future.

yes 8 cores will become the norm

It won't run dude, amazon usually won't let you return it unless box is unopened, he really should just return it and get a MAX board If he opens it then he will HAVE to find a 200ge/1200, or find a friend or computer store that will update bios for him, which will be a grand headache compared to just returning and buying another board, likely with quick 2 day shipping

in none gaming tasks the 2700x is usually superior the 3400g is a great entry into a gaming system, great budget APU, but it will run like doodoo for production work like video editing, rendering etc, but yeah it would be super cheap entry to ryzen 3000 i guess ?

Get the 2700x and then upgrade to 12 or 16 cores when need be with 3000, or later next year 4000 down the line. The current (but very hard to get) 16 core 3950x is already insanely good at production tasks, often beating best of Intels HEDT lineup, and likewise a good future proof x570 mobo can be had for $160 (ASUS Prime x570-P), way cheaper then most old thread ripper boards. The 3900x already beats the 2920x in production tasks, let alone the 1920x, don't buy into old Threadripper, just get 2700x and upgrade to 3900x or better when need be.

Thats with Ryzen 3000, in your case the best DRAM speed is the highest it can go while stable, if you are at 3200 speed likely that is about as good as it can get on Ryzen 2000, the CPU+DRAM generally just get unstable after that. Ryzen 2000, particularly if its a mildly OC'd 2700 is within a whisker of the performance of a R5 3600, so you should be in a really comfy spot performance wise, without need to tweak more. Your Cons of running 3466 is that it may be unstable, which could cause multiple problems, BSODs, worst case brick the OS. If you ran it and it passed 12 hour memory test in memtest86 (or memtest64 if need be) and all games ran and launched good it could be beneficial, but its rare Ryzen 2000 will run speeds that high. Ryzen 3000 has crazy but interesting layout, of note 4000 redesign is mostly targeting the latency with IO die, memory controller, and between the CCDs (don't know exactly how, but likely moving them as close together physically, or just connecting them in such a way latency is reduced drastically) Heres a good explanation of how 3000 memory works.

ye, part of why its important to go through BIOS when going from full APU to APU + discrete graphics card, sometimes even when iGPU is disabled it will still be munching up 2gb of DRAM doing nothing if you dont configure it in the bios to stop trying to allocate it. (or atleast so i've heard, can be issue i believe on certain ASRocks)

To my knowledge only APUs usually ever use DRAM, otherwise when looking in task manager VRAM usage should be defined separately.

"MAX" is MSI only, but yes it should of been a MAX model in their case. I wish all mobo brands used that branding. Easiest solution is to return it and get this board, its about same price(cheaper even) and slightly better (VRM), while also being updated for Ryzen 3000 https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-B450M-PRO-VDH-MAX-Motherboard/dp/B07WC724Z7/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=msi+b450m+MAX&qid=1576980790&s=computers&sr=1-1 Like as OP noticed with box, if you can see box in the listing for the mobo, you want to be looking for the red and silver, or orange and silver "Ryzen 3000 Ready" logo, not the Black and Silver one, that is "Ryzen 2000 Ready", that is usually how you can confirm, besides just reading description or in case of MSI looking for a "MAX" model. If you already opened it then worst case you could snag a cheap 200ge or r3 1200, update bios yourself, and resell the 200ge or r3 1200, but i'd just go for refund if that is a option. It won't work with your 3600

Intel has been releasing basically the same CPUs with different names, and do not currently have a new silicon fab (new 10nm, instead of 14nm+++++++++++++++x1000) they are willing to use for Desktop parts at the moment, instead only selling a few 10nm parts for high end laptop market, this likely won't change for atleast 2+ years. Likewise Intel desperately NEEDS a complete architecture redesign, given the massive security bugs that result in patches which hamper their performance. From what i can tell they likely aren't going to have one till some sort of crazy next gen stuff in 2022-2023 that Jim Keller is helping them design (same guy who was one of the big guys behind AMD Ryzen series), they appear to be saving their resources for that. Likely this new architecture will have some completely different design for CPUs like 3d stacking, but this is a long way off. There might be some decently interesting CPUs from them before that but nothing ground breaking. For next few years, AMD is best bet, so don't hesitate if you can afford it. Better question would of been "Buy 3700 now, or wait for Ryzen 4000" ? For value, the MSI MAX boards all work with Ryzen 3000 and are easy to find for 90-115$. The B450 Tomahawk MAX is the most recommended due to some extra features it has, but also B450 Gaming Plus MAX, and B450 A-Pro MAX all are good enough to OC a 8 core, run the 3900x 12 core stock, likely can handle the 3950x 16 core stock with very good case airflow. The "MAX" label means its pre-updated for Ryzen 3000 https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144267?Description=msi tomahawk max&cm_re=msi_tomahawk_max-_-13-144-267-_-Product https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144264?Description=msi b450 max&cm_re=msi_b450_max-_-13-144-264-_-Product https://www.newegg.com/msi-b450-a-pro-max/p/N82E16813144268?Description=msi b450 a-pro &cm_re=msi_b450_a-pro-_-13-144-268-_-Product This leaves you with looking from DRAM to most out of Ryzen 3000, i recommend these two kits if you just want to plug and play and are budget conscious. You won't get much better by spending more. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880?Description=ripjaws 3600&cm_re=ripjaws_3600-_-20-232-880-_-Product (black w/ rgb) https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821167?Description=oloy 3600&cm_re=oloy_3600-_-20-821-167-_-Product (red w/) https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821145?Description=oloy 3600&cm_re=oloy_3600-_-20-821-145-_-Product

CPU, or CPU being restricted by slow DRAM speed (specifically with Ryzen, Intel its less a concern) will keep GPU from being utilized fully, the R5 3600 is a much faster CPU but you can get near its performance with a 3000-3200 speed DRAM kit working in duel channel. Likewise, word to the wise you don't want 100% utilization of either, at above 70% CPU utilization you'll get stutter/hitching, with 97-100% GPU utilization you incur input latency due to the frame buffer being over-loaded, which is why its good idea to run a small frame-cap so that if you can get 100% utilization, you are keeping it at about 85-95% instead (say if it can at 100% GPU usage output average 300fps, you lock it down to say 260fps etc) Doesn't work this way with all games, but most new ones, including fortnite iirc (Note:Using Nvidea Ultra-Low Latency, or AMD Anti-Lag is still advisable though, won't hurt anything) Likewise its worth keeping in mind, even though his computer sounds better for putting out higher FPS due to R5 3600, i'd wonder you and him run different resolutions and graphical settings, you can turn down a lot of graphics from Ultra to a mix of Medium and High without any noticable difference in visual quality, but with like 150% better FPS. I'd presume you already looked into/pay attened to this though as you seem like you are concerned about max FPS, and its fairly common knowledge.