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4 minutes ago, Dutch_Master said:

A separate NAS/video recording solution would indeed be the best choice. Consider a multi-core fibre-optic backbone for your network.

 

For the OS, the NAS should be either Linux or BSD, the workstation instances can run in a VM and on Win-10 if you so must (personally, Win-7 is the latest I'd go, but then I don't use Win-OS anyway, being a Linux user )

What kind of hardware would you recommend for a NAS/Video recording setup with 6-10 4k30fps streams?

Just now, BlueScope819 said:

Press the quote button next to our messages so that we can see them. I just happened to be typing my reply at the time so I saw it. It's the left arrow second from the left at the bottom of our message.

 

That doesn't solve the problem of reliability nor the massive f***ing software headache this is going to cause.

If everything is in one box why do you need 40 gigabit to the rest of the stuff? That's literally pointless as you would be setting up a network share and it's not like your use case needs 4 simultaneous 10 gigabit per second streams of data not to mention that you will need a 10 gigabit switch which will cost you hundreds. This entire build is just a really really really bad idea.

This build isn't my decision, its the homeowners decision. im merely the person thats going to be physically assembling it and working out the software kinks. They want the factor of it all being 1 machine. I personally do understand it would be easier, cheaper, wiser to build individual work stations but in the end im merely recommending, the final decision isnt mine. @BlueScope819

@Electronics Wizardy

Have you done this before? What hypervisor do you plan on using?

The closest ive done to something like this is "2 computers, 1 desktop" with a GPU pass through on UBUNTU, if there is something better for this scenario please let me know.

How would the users connect to the system? Will they directly connect or use some sort of remote desktop connection?

The only way i personally know if is Hard wired, running cables to each room. But if there is some super low latency system to doing this wireless im always open to ideas.

There are some issues here, like how you want 5 gpus and 4 10g ports, and there is no board that can support that either.

I understand the issue with 4x 10Gig ports, but whats stopping me from using 5 GPU's? Is there truly no board that supports more than 4 video cards?

If you want reliable, id seprate the roles, this is making it so if anything goes wrong, or there are updates that need a reboot, everything goes down with it.

Understood, i plan to rack mount this build in a server room anyways.

What switches do you plan on using for networking? What 10gbe standard, there are many of them. Also why 4 10g ports, just get a single 40 or 100gbe port

Ive had no real good experience with networking, whats the fastest consumer available standard? It would just need to play nicely with the NAS. If a single 40GB port would suffice im all for it.

Budget (including currency): $10,000-$15,000

Country:  United States

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: CAD, AI learning, Gaming, basic computer use

Other details : The primary goal for this computer will be something similar to a 4 "gamers" 1 cpu project but with the extension of the same computer acting as a NAS, networking hub, and Building surveillance, etc.

This build is basically going to be any tech nerds wet dream, the use case of it is for a College House, for students to be able to use the computer for their daily tasks as well as in their free time as well as acting as a "server" for networking, NAS, and perimeter surveillance.

My layout so far is:

Thread Ripper 3990x as the heart of the computer, allowing 12 cores to each work station user with a spare of 14 cores for the actual server part of the build

4x 2080Ti's OR the upcoming 3080TI's, one for each user and if budget allows, a spare RTX TITAN to be used for whichever workstation needs it at the time.

128-256GB RAM so 32GB to each user with a spare of 128GB to be divided between the actual server (if there is some leftover, back into the users)

4x 10Gig ports to each user

2TB NVME storage for each user with each user having 2TB of additional redundancy (automated backups)

How would you go about this build? Im mostly concerned with the Networking, NAS, and Surveillance aspect of the build aswell as a host OS for it all. If its easier, The entire Work station aspect of the build can be physically seperate from the NAS, Networking, and Surveillance aspect of the build. But i would like to cap it off at a maximum of 2 machines. 10Gig networking is a must, the NAS must be fast enough to work with the 10Gig network, and the Surveillance aspect must be able to run redundantly 24/7 and store 4k30fps footage streams from 6-10 cameras at once. I may just be insane for suggesting such a large budget but reliability and redundancy is a absolute must.

I've started having issues where my applications randomly freeze. I've experienced this in only 2 so far, the rest seem to be fine. Steam and CSGO. before i post what ive tried, here's some insight on what's going on.

Heres the link

The CSGO video is a shadow play recording of it happening, while steam+csgo is a phone video trying to show what happens in steam and the cpu usage dropping for csgo.

What ive tried so far-

-Turning off shadow play

-Downgrading nvidia drivers

-turning all clocks to stock

-disabling xmp

-reinstalling on another drive

-all the csgo launch options you can possibly think of

System specs:

i7 8700k-delid

Evga FTW3 1080ti

16gb (2x8) team group t-force white rgb ram 3200mhz

boot drive- 2x raid 0 m.2 WD black 256gb ssd's

game drive- 1tb 2.5" 970 EVO

All the cooling anyone can possibly desire

psu-1000w corsair something i forgot the name of
 

*edit* I recently reinstalled windows and this has been happening since, the only programs i installed were - ICUE - PRECISION X1 - Wallpaperengine (was disabled in testing for videos) - Discord- Chrome- Geforce Experience - Steam -

*edit #2* Games like Minecraft and rainbow 6 arent affected at all for some reason

1 minute ago, SupaKomputa said:

Not the old athlon btw, the new 35watt  Ryzen Athlon. The old athlon is 95 watt CMIIW.

But yeah you can repurpose those cpu will not be as efficient tho.

Both are good, but i will choose the athlon for it's clock speed.

The problem is both don't have sata3, i don't think it can perform as you expected.

 

Ah, thanks for the advice.

1 minute ago, SupaKomputa said:

I think a NAS should be low powered as it will turn on non stop.

A sub 35 watt celeron or athlon (am4) would be good for this project.

I do have 2 computers lying around without a purpose. One has a q6600 and one has an Athalon x4 with 8gb ram already

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

You can fill 1gb with a single hdd, so you really don't need a big raid config.

 

You can get used 12 bay servers pretty cheap on ebay, look for something like a r510.

 

Why do this on a nas? PUtting  the drives in the desktops is cheaper and faster than any nas setup.

 

A nas really doesn't need much cpu or ram power really, normally its limited by network for this use, maybe disk.

My desktop itself is filled to the brim 1tb Samsung SSD's but its not enough with 100's of games and Ai data i gather (yeah im pretty inefficient but im getting there!). But how would I achieve 1gb speeds with a single HDD? don't they only go to like 70mb/s? scrapping the idea and getting one off eBay is a great idea. But im interested in making a purpose built pc for it. 

3 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

do you want 1gbit or >1gbit? 1gbit is cheap and easy, >1gbit gets kinda expensive.

 

Those will be very important. Id personally get those cheap external drives, but if you have the money go ssds.

 

How cheap is cheap? Really any modern system can do this. A celeron/althon is more than enough cpu power here, 8gb of ram is fine. Id personally get a used server. Cheap and lots of drive bays.

Well, id say under 600 for the system itself with no drives. I plan on getting alot of ssd's in enough raid configs to meet the 1gb goal. If its difficult, ill stick with 1gb. I just dont want to be left with hour-long loading times in games you know! But i dont know what component (except for the storage drives) gets stressed the most in a NAS. Im mostly going for my own build since i want to add more drives in the future, and i cant do that with a NAS built for just 2 lol.

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

not too sure myself, but i would start by looking at first gen ryzen 7s, those should be cheap enough, or 1600s, but that will depend on if you plan to run plex on it or something similar 

Thanks for the feedback, should probably add in the software in the question.

Hey there, just got confirmation from another thread that its possible to game over the network! But I'm completely clueless when it comes down to what hardware to utilize. I'm planning on making a home server NAS to store all of my games and large files since its a pain to try and keep them on every device while my main drive suffers on my pc. If I were to create a NAS that's capable of around 1-2gb speeds. What kind of hardware would I be looking at? I don't need to look at the storage devices itself yet, ill pick those out myself. But what CPU /mobo/ram/ PCIe hardware would be beneficial? If its not a problem, i would like it to be pretty cheap. Unless it needs to cost more (like if the cpu needs to be really fast). Also, what os would i need to run? im completely new to this part of pc's so please go easy on me

7 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Hope you have a fast network.

Buy a NAS, shove everything there (assuming the games will even install on a network drive, some will, some won't) and have a solid wired pip, because the lag is gonna get ya.

 

And RAID 0 means you drop one drive, you lose *everything*, saved games, all of it. Fair warning.

Dont worry about the network got gigabit and if its an issue ill throw in a card and plug it directly in for 10g. I mainly want to move it so i dont take up so many gosh darn PCIe lanes on my main rig. Also a NAS is a nogo.

2 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I was using a QNAP TS-251, if that helps give you some baseline

I see, but wouldn't i be able to make my own with a basic computer with a good network card and a raid controller?

Just now, Mira Yurizaki said:

Will it work? Absolutely as long as you can map the networked storage into something native to the OS that the application understands. Basically for Windows, this means you just need to map it to a drive letter using the Map Network Drive function. Linux and the like is probably similar: just make it so the network path can be resolved like a local path.

 

Also it is possible to play games even over WiFi (I've done this before). My test game was GTAV, and it worked perfectly fine on 802.11ac. It was still technically playable on 802.11n, but the world wasn't exactly there. So you could probably still play over 802.11n assuming the game doesn't stream assets in. Obviously though, you should play over a hardline for maximum performance/reliability.

That's awesome to hear, will be using cat 7 ethernet, however. Any recommendations on what specs the server or NAS whatever it is should have?

Im planning on moving all of my big games and heavy-duty files somewhere else. What i have in mind is a 4x 1tb SSD network storage solution. But i would like to put these SSD's in RAID 0. I dont know if thats possible or not, im assuming i would need a host computer for the storage system. But does anyone have any recommendations of what SSD's to get and if this whole gaming over the network instead of installing it on my pc thing would work? I don't care about drive reliability btw. If one of the SSD's fails ill just replace it and redownload everything overnight lol.

So to sum it up, is it possible to play games from network storage? If so, how would I go about creating a system for it?