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22 minutes ago, kieguru said:

I'd get a 3700x and save some money.  Realistically you'll be looking at a 2-3fps difference if that.  If you are just concerned about gaming I'd even look at a 3600 if you want to stick with AM4 and just upgrade your GPU.

Yeah, Just bought a 3700x. Looks like it will do nicely. Thanks. 

Anyone any update on the whole 3700x vs 3800x? I've just cancelled my 3900x purchase as the seller said it will be some time before they get them. So what is the average FPS difference between the 3700x and the 3800x? 

Just now, GoldenLag said:

not to mentioned they showed a tiny gain over 3200mhz. and 3000mhz isnt much worse than that. like with every platfform right now. getting faster than 3666 mhz is silly. 3000mhz is the sweetspot on every plattform. 

Thats just not true at all. 

So hear me out. This might sound mad what with all the latest buzz and excitement around the Zen2 launch. But doing some fag packet maths.... Intel might actually be the go to system for gamers. 

Lets break it down. 

by AMD's own slides we saw parity with Intel in gaming. I think we can all agree on that. It's roughly the same. (And thats by AMD's own slides, showing best case for AMD). 
so it is favourable to AMD to say that they perform the same in gaming. 

Anyway. Lets focus on price then. 

9900k can be had for $450.
3800X will likely be $400. 

So at this point AMD wins to the tune of $50. 

Alas....

AMD requires "premium" memory to hit its best performance (and likely what was shown by AMD in the keynotes, they aren't going to show gaming benchmarks vs 9900k on junk RAM now are they. 

So add is decent RAM for Zen 2 for say $150. 
Intel will get the same performance with half decent 3000Mhz RAM at $75. 

So now we have AMD loosing to Intel to the tune of £25. 

But it gets worse. Motherboards. 

As we are seeing. X570 boards are going to be expensive. Lets look at a typical gaming mobo choice for many. the ASUS ROG STRIX F Gaming. 

On Z390 its around $190
On X570 its going to be £299!! a $109 premium. 

So that takes our grand total to $134 MORE for the X570-3800x system than the Z390-9900k system. 
Thats with performance (by AMDs own metrics) pretty much identical. 

So in all seriousness. Once the hype dust from Zen2 settles. 
Is Intel now the best choice for gamers?

3733Mhz CL16 is the sweet spot for Zen2. The further you drift from that point (either in less speed or looser timings) the worse performance gets. 
This speed may increase slightly if you overclock Zen2, And then will depend on how much you over clock it. It could turn out that CL16 4000Mhz is the best. But for stock zen2 is 3733

Lol. Im so lost. 

You asked. why get a 16 core when a 12 core exists
I said. by that logic why get a 12 core when an 8 core exists. 

You said.... "Because it has 4 more cores". LOL

You see what you did there? 

1 minute ago, Windows95 said:

4 more cores for 100 bucks

so you've just answered your own question??!?

LOL

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

 

Current consoles also have 8 cores

yes. that's not really relevant to my point. I'm looking forwards to the future. I don't see game devs coding for more than 8 cores because of future console specs. 
Ergo I would think there is no point getting the 3900x or 3950x for a "gamer". 

By that logic what is the point in the 3900x over the 3800x? 

Likely they will overclock to the same frequency. And with the new consols being 8 core, very likely games for the next 6+ years will be coded for 8 cores. 
So what is the point buying a 3900x, 3800x is already a killer? 

24 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Do you have any use cases that utilize memory speeds up to 4000MHz? What are some ram intensive tasks you do?

Not per say, but the RAM was on offer so with Ryzen 3000 on the horizon (and talks of faster RAM being better) I just grabbed it.

2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

With a kit rated that high on XMP you can pretty much set it to whatever you want by manually tuning it, including that 3733mhz clock at a lower timing of CL16 likely, the higher the rating of the chip means the better it is at overclocking, and overclocking is anything past CPU stock value which I think is 2933mhz on Zen 2 still.

Cool, I'll just hold on to it then, bring it down to 3733Mhz and tighten the timings then. 

1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

Why not just fine tune it yourself to 3600mhz/CL14?

 

Also Samsung B-Die has been phased out, it's not that simple keep finding it to buy brand new anymore.

Will I be able to do that OK? (never underclocked RAM)

It's easy to find B-Die here in the UK - OCUK bin for it. 
This is what I bought. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-xtreem-8pack-edition-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-32000c18-4000mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-098-tg.html

Thinking of swapping it for this. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-dark-pro-8pack-edition-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-28800c16-3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

Because of this image. 

 

I plan to buy the 3900X

I just bought (last week) 4000Mhz CL18 B-die RAM. 
I am wondering if I should return this and buy (for $20 less) 3600Mhz CL16 B-die RAM. 



Thoughts? 

Let's be honest. I am not giving away any of my secrets until Linus and the rest of LMG come and give me my personal hello and welcome. 

14 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

actually since they are expecting to barely break even with LTX it kinda is charity. certainly not for profit.

Whether they profit from LTX directly (literal ticket sales) is irrelevant. I would image they would be happy if they just wash their face with it for the first few years. It's about growing the bigger brand, about making Linus Media Group bigger, with a more diverse portfolio. Potentially even turning LTX potentially into something that will make money in the future. Linus wont like having so much of the company resting on youtube (eggs, one basket comes to mind). Hence Floatplane and LTX. Clever guy. Alas, this isn't business school.

Anyway, I don't seriously expect them to take it on the road any time soon. Just thought I would throw the idea into the ring. You never know where it might go. There could be a whole new arm of the business in touring technology shows. Who knows. 

14 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

while the idea sure sounds fun to imagine "the grand tour" style shows across the world...it is asking a lot. just look at what they set in motion for this years LTX. if theyd want to keep that standard they would need to become some sort wandering tech circus. i cant / wont afford to go this year either but immidiatly asking for them to come to you? you know how many fans there are? the mountain does not come to mohamed.

also i ffel its a bit unfair to put 100% of the effort and commitment on them. they aalready did more then enough orgnaizing the whole thing and paying for it all beforehand and taking all that stress and you want to make them come to you on top of that ? how about you meet them halfway and put some effort into it? or dont like me but expecting them to come to your door like here we are. we heard you wanted a picture and shake some hands.

idk

You do realise Linus Media Group is a business yes? They haven't organised LTX out of the goodness of their heart. They aren't a charity. 
Alas, I'm not "expecting them to come to my door". It was just a suggestion. 

5 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

I don't think touring across the country/world is an option cause of everything that would need to be transported, not just from LMG, but from sponsors and whatnot.

Bands usually tour for weeks or months, LTT can't just leave work for a month or so.

Yeah, I mean I know all the reasons it probably won't happen. But I would kick myself if I didn't throw the idea out there. You never know. Might spark something! 

I really want to go this year but the UK is too far to haul the family (or abandon them). You could tour it quite easily, like a band would. Lot's of bank to be made and lots of fans to please. 
I'll just leave that idea out there. 

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