toasty99

Actually, they should. You just have to know what you're buying. It's likely a mining card that the die was removed from and placed on a new PCB or a mining GPU that was cleaned up and shipped to you. 
 
It's not a new card, but if you go into it like buying a used card it's fine. In fact, I get less dead GPUs from AliExpress than eBay or Facebook marketplace. AliExpress sellers actually put new thermal paste on, clean out dust, and test their crap. With ebay or Facebook marketplace, most cards aren't cleaned at all, dusty, have dried out thermal paste, and if it says "never mined on" that means it was mined on hard.
 
Go ahead and buy 100 GPUs from Aliexpress, 100 from eBay, and 100 locally. I absolutely guarantee your failure rate is the lowest on Aliexpress.
 
 

You can certainly upgrade, but it's not like the 11700k is an awful CPU. It was launched around the time of the Rtx 3080ti, you're using a CPU and GPU combo that's pretty balanced.
 
If you upgrade the cpu, you'll get more performance but I don't think it's necessarily worth it unless you have specific examples where it's sluggish or play a lot of simulation heavy games where the X3d parts are so useful.
 
One of those situations where you're going to spend say $400-500 and go "ugh my 3080ti is holding back my 14700k/7800x3d/etc I need to upgrade it now". 

They do?
 
That's literally what AMD Ryzen was. AMD was took two CPU chiplets and used the infinity fabric technology (or as Intel called it at the time "glue") to put two separate CPU chiplets together.
 
AMD was able to scale this into AMD Threadripper and AMD Epyc.  On the consumer side, you're looking at two chiplets maximum. On Epyc, they have used as much as 12 chiplets.
 
Intel is trying their own version of this. Look up Level1 techs if you want a deep dive into it but the tldr is that Intel is going to try using a tile structure to seperate different parts of the CPU.

The 5700xt is actually about the same as a 1080ti these days. This is due to AMD finewine technology or optimizing their crap launch drivers, however you view that.
 
OP, what about importing from AliExpress? AliExpress has good prices on the Rx 5700 and Rx 5700xt quite often. If the importing isn't too crazy, I'd just do that.
 

Sure but bottlenecks are inevitable. This is a fairly reasonable system, just crank your details up and enjoy better graphics.

From what I remember and see online, there was no 6 pin or 8 pin pci-e power on that PSU.
 
For that reason, you'd have to use SATA to 6pin/8pin adapters, which can range from should be alright to literal fire hazard. For that reason, ideally I'd probably stick to a 120-130w card, you could get away with 150w but that's pushing it.
 
I would say the logical upgrade here is a Gtx 1660ti or Rx 6600.
 
The 1660ti costs about $110 on ebay. The 1660 or 1660 super are fine as well, I just don't think they make sense unless you can get them below market value because they don't tend to be much cheaper than the 1660ti and the performance is worse. 
 
The other option is a Rx 6600, which can be picked up used for around $145 on eBay. More money, but easily a better card. If the extra money isn't an issue I'd just get it.  AliExpress is starting their black Friday deals in a few days, and Aliexpress sellers have the quite odd Rx 6600m available that is worth considering. The 6600m is a laptop GPU put onto a desktop GPU, it uses the 6600m drivers, and it performs basically the same as a Rx 6600. It costs about $145 not on sale, which at that point just get a legit card, but if it drops to $120-125 it's definitely worth considering.
 
Check out r/hardwareswap, eBay auctions, and your local markets though, you might be able to get slightly better prices than just buy it now eBay prices if you are willing to do some digging.
 
Link to an example of the adapter you'll need: https://a.aliexpress.com/_mN8v3uu
 

Sure but bottlenecks are inevitable. This is a fairly reasonable system, just crank your details up and enjoy better graphics.

Also, I should note there is basically no such thing as "hurt from mining". Mining kills memory, if you aren't getting memory crashes, it's not the mining that is the issue. You will see cards with degraded memory, but it leads to crashing more than frame drops/stutters. Plus, the 1650 was an awful mining card so it's unlikely it was ever used for an extended period of time for that.
 
Have you installed gpu-z and monitored your temperatures as well as clocks? It's very possible you need to do a gpu repaste. Paste dries out, if it's never been replaced on your current card it's almost certainly in need of doing.
 
edit: Make sure your current GPU is actually getting the 75w it needs in gpu-z too, it's not entirely uncommon for some prebuilts to not supply the full pci-e power spec of 75w. Worth checking.

Does anyone have any of the Sapphire Rapids WS CPUs that are overclockable? Or know of a publication that published gaming benchmarks?
 
I know it's highly impractical, but I'd be curious what the gaming performance on them is. The monolithic die models support ddr5 quad channel and have less cache. The multi-chip-module models support ddr5 8 channel ram and have more cache.
 
I'd be REALLY curious to see in spite of the impracticality of it which of these chips is faster and if they can beat out consumer CPUs in gaming. I'd suspect they can beat even a 7800x3d in gaming once overclocked (low stock clocks because workstation CPUs), but I've yet to see any tests and I don't have a grand to drop on something that's interesting rather than practical.
 
It would also be exciting to see someone try to get ddr5 stable at 4 and 8 channels and high speeds in my opinion, even though again it's not practical today.
 
This may be practical in 5 or so years though, kind of like X99 Xeon's were for a while.

Not at all. My comment has already aged like a fine wine.
 
The fact remains (at the time of that post) b650 boards and ddr5 were too expensive. You pretty much couldn't find a b650 board under $160 back then. DDR4 and b450/b550 boards were at roughly the prices they are at now. The 5800x3d went from like $330 to $300. The Ryzen 7600x has fallen to $240 or less pretty much regularly.
 
It's already aging the way I expected. At the time of my post, someone who had bought the 5800x3d absolutely would have made the correct decision.

Nope, you just had something else wrong and accidentally fixed it doing something else.
 
The 8 pin can handle any current gen desktop CPU at stock speeds, the 13900k is the only chip that comes close to pushing it at stock. An 8 pin can handle 300w without issue.
 
You can just leave the 4 pin or spare 8 pin empty if you don't have the connectors, of course if you do you may as well plug them in.

Pricing changes, but for a real long time the gigabyte b450m ds3h wifi has been the best value motherboard for am4. $80 and it has wifi and Bluetooth. Sure it's b450 so you don't get pci-e gen 4, but honestly on budget builds most people aren't using a SSD fast enough for that to matter.
 
When you consider that's just the price of other cheap b450/b550 boards the gigabyte b450 ds3h wifi just checks the logical boxes for something budget.
 
 

Update:
 
Since I didn't like the temps, I went and took everything apart and used generous amounts of thermal paste hoping to fill in some gaps. Kept working on undervolting. Switched to using XTU to get specific per core clockspeed adjustments. That's actually a big help, because the cores had 20C differences, so being able to dial it in per core adds quite a bit.
 
After all that, managed to get to 14500 all core in Cinebench r23 using only 75w of power. Fastest core goes to 4.59 ghz, slowest core is 4.29 ghz. Temp down to 84C for a single run. Single core performance is a tad above 1500. 
 
In cpu-z, it now gets to 596 single core and 6058 multi-thread.
 
some photos (sorry for bad quality): https://imgur.com/a/l6eNX0C
 

Yes, 4.0 x16 supported on those tiger lake Erying combos. Resizable bar is supported as well. Unlike what Dawid says, XMP works but does limit speed (the sellers say 3200mhz) and there is no customization. For example, it sets my ddr4 3600 to 3400mhz oddly enough. 
 
The 11980hk equivalent ES are overclockable. 11900h and 11800h are NOT overclockable. On all of them though, you can adjust the BCLK to get a slight OC. 
 
Due to the thermal issues, I'd just say go with the 11800h version if you do it.

Was on Aliexpress and found out they have a 11980hk ES strapped to a motherboard for $158. Of course I bought it for that price. Curious if anyone else has gotten a hold of one of these yet? I've seen a few reviews on the 11800h version of this and a few non-English reviews of the 11980hk. 
 
Really seems like an interesting AliExpress product even with the issues that come into play with this. I mean for $158 for CPU+motherboard it's basically only competing with a Ryzen 5500/i3 12100f price wise. 
 

First off, what could you possibly be using a budget motherboard like that for that requires two GPUs? 
 
Second, your top pci-e slot will be 16 lanes of PCI-e 3.0/4.0 (depends on whether your cpu supports 4.0). The second x16 slot will be 4 lanes of PCI-E 3.0. 

Whatever is cheaper. Honestly, it's just not a big enough deal to pay more for one over the other. These days ddr4 3200 cl16 is so cheap that's what I go with for everything. 

Any decent 850w is fine for that. Like, as long as it's a decent PSU you're 
This is the basic answer you're looking for OP. 
 
I mean honestly ANY 850w even from lesser known but still decent brands (nothing Chinese knockoff level) would probably be fine but some people (especially around here) really care about PSU quality to avoid potential issues. You'd be surprised what garbage you can actually run and get away with, even though it's not reccomended. 

Motherboard pricing has frankly just gone to the moon in recent years. 
 
Generally speaking the latest model motherboards are always rather expensive. 
 
The recently discontinued motherboards tend to be the cheapest. 
 
Motherboards discontinued 2+ years to 5 years ago tend to be as expensive as new boards, then beyond 5 years we start seeing a dip again. 
 
Not exact science of course, depends on platform popularity and a lot of other variables. 

Probably changed it because of ddr5. Makes sense. 

In my experience I had a X99 classified and a x99 micro from EVGA with the same 1660v3 at one point and whether you have that second connector or not doesn't seem to matter, at least on the 280mm aio I had. Hit thermal and voltage limits long before it came into play. Got the same clocks basically. 

You don't want to upgrade your motherboard unless you are looking to waste money. There's no reason to. Pci-e 4.0 is not a useful feature. Go ahead and find a use other than benchmarks where 4.0 matters, you won't find one. 
 
The B450 Tomahawk is considered the best B450 board. It can easily handle a Ryzen 5950x without issue. The VRMs on the b450 Tomahawk are better than most x570 boards. 
 
There would be zero real world performance reasons for a motherboard upgrade here. You can see that with a 3950x the Tomahawk Max runs right with a x570 Aorus Extreme. There's not any good testing with a 5950x, but it's not gonna be much more than a 3950x and you can see that with the 3950x there's plenty of headroom. 
 
Keep the motherboard you have, take the money saved and make sure you get a 5950x over the 5900x lol
 
https://youtu.be/J69aiJJEHzQ
https://youtu.be/BUBhGSZEaQg

Yeah I'd say that since he's using it for muti-threaded workloads anyways the 5950x would make sense here. I would personally pick up some cheap 16gb ddr4 3200 for $45 and just mix it with what is already there. If that mismatched look/a bit of memory tuning is too annoying, it is only $70 to get 32gb of 2x16 3200 cl16 instead.
 
I'd normally say a 650w is a bad idea here. However, that is a high end 650w so I'd say it's fine. 

Well I managed to snag a 7980xe off eBay for $250 delided and direct die this week. Snagged an ASRock extreme4 x299 motherboard in mediocre condition for $80. Anyways, I don't have a direct die mount so I had to get creative. 
 
For anyone this helps, if you have an x99 motherboard you don't use/is dead if you remove the retention bracket the backplate the cooler screws into on x99 is separate from the rention bracket (not the case on x299). You can take the x99 backplate and place it behind an x299 board with the retention bracket removed. This gives you a way to mount your cooler on a direct die. 
 
Results are... ok. 27,700 Cinebench r23 score on a 280mm aio just fooling around with a per core OC in XTU. I think the mount (and use of thermal paste instead of LM) is holding me back, the best cores are doing 49x (1.35v) while the worst are all the way down at 43x (1.15v) to keep temps under 100C for benching. Overall, I'm having fun but got work to do in optimizing. 

Well I managed to snag a 7980xe off eBay for $250 delided and direct die this week. Snagged an ASRock extreme4 x299 motherboard in mediocre condition for $80. Anyways, I don't have a direct die mount so I had to get creative. 
 
For anyone this helps, if you have an x99 motherboard you don't use/is dead if you remove the retention bracket the backplate the cooler screws into on x99 is separate from the rention bracket (not the case on x299). You can take the x99 backplate and place it behind an x299 board with the retention bracket removed. This gives you a way to mount your cooler on a direct die. 
 
Results are... ok. 27,700 Cinebench r23 score on a 280mm aio just fooling around with a per core OC in XTU. I think the mount (and use of thermal paste instead of LM) is holding me back, the best cores are doing 49x (1.35v) while the worst are all the way down at 43x (1.15v) to keep temps under 100C for benching. Overall, I'm having fun but got work to do in optimizing.