JesseStillwell

Hi everyone, This is my current situation. My MSI Z97 Gaming 5 motherboard which houses my 4790k died on me quite a while back, I had to replace it with a crappy Asrock H81m-vg4 r2.0 as that was the only thing locally available at the time. I have been running the H81 for quite a while now. I have a 4790k cooled by a Corsair H105, 16Gb of G.Skill Trident X DDR3 @ 2400mhz (only operates at 1333mhz on the Asrock H81), MSI RTX 2080, 2.5" 256Gb Samsung 840 Pro, Sound Blaster Zx, and a Corsair 750w PSU. I really love this system and the 4790k is a powerhouse still to this day. I often need single core performance for Revit, and this CPU has always done a good job. My main issue is the H81 motherboard, it's holding my system back badly. I rolled back the Bios just so I could overclock it. It's possible to overclock on this board, but it only has one option, 4.5ghz and you can't control the voltage or anything else. I tested it, and it wasn't worth it. I took back to stock as it runs much cooler and will hit 4.4ghz off the turbo boost without issues. I keep thinking maybe I should get another Z97 motherboard secondhand off eBay or locally and keep running this system for a while. I would delid/liquid metal, overclock to 5.0ghz, and have my RAM speed back to normal or higher. Problem is that the Z97 boards are quite rare and expensive. I'm looking at prices around $100.00 - $200.00 for a good second hand Gaming 5 or MPOWER mobo. I might be able to find something locally for around the same price or a bit cheaper if I scoured around hard enough. I use my PC for a bit of everything. Music production, 4K movies, a bit of gaming, Revit, AutoCAD, a bit of Photoshop and Premiere. I can play AC Odyssey at 4k, but it's not buttery smooth. What would you guys do? If you upgraded, how would you re-purpose the old setup? I still have a GTX 770 laying around, and I would get an m.2 for a the new set up. So basically, a micro ATX case and a PSU would put the 4790k back into action for something. Maybe sell it? If I upgraded, I'd probably go Ryzen 5 3600 with an MSI B450 Tomahawk and 16Gb or 32Gb of 3200mhz RAM. Money isn't an issue for me, but the value of the 3600 is hard to beat. How would you upgrade considering the way my PC is used? P.S I would like to thank you for reading my post and providing any recommendations or ideas. It's much appreciated.

Great advice. I think I will wait and see what happens in the coming months. I hope the new AMD processors turn out nothing short of amazing. I appreciate all the advice and info you have provided in this thread. Cheers.

I agree completely with you. I do believe the extra cache makes a small impact. I think I need to clarify a few things for people: 1. I am not trashing on AMD at all. I think they have a great product and if they weren't around Intel could be shafting all of us with unreasonable prices. I really do hope that they can compete better with Intel, we would all benefit from that. 2. Yes, I need single thread performance for my software, but I also want a CPU that is going to do well at multi-tasking and multi threaded application when the need arises. If I was on a tight budget and had one sole purpose for the PC, then yes I would agree that the i9 would be a poor choice. 3. I just asked given my same situation would you personally wait, or upgrade the mobo and throw in the free 1060? Also, with the possible thought that this PC could serve a second purpose after I purchase a new one. I wouldn't reuse any of the parts, because I would like to keep it as a working PC. You never know when it may come in handy. Again, I appreciate you guys taking the time to read and discuss this topic with me.

What are you claiming that I don't understand here? Clock speeds and single thread performance don't go hand in hand. I can't find benchmarks for the latest CPUs, but here is something to look at. i7 7350k @ 4.2ghz - Single Thread Rating: 2433 i7 7700k @ 4.2ghz - Single Thread Rating: 2583 I am fine with paying more for the i9 9900k and cooling it, because it will serve me well in single threaded use and multi-tasking, which I am constantly doing.

Yes, I agree with you. I never argued about clock speeds vs cores. All I said was that I needed single core performance. I don't care if it's a quad core or not. The newest i9 9900k has the best single thread performance and it's an 8 core cpu. I don't care about the fact that is't an 8 core cpu not. I don't care about Intel or AMD, I just need single thread performance, and whoever can fill that role will get my dollars. If I was building a gaming PC or video editing machine then I would go with a 2700x no doubt, but unfortunately I'm not.

Could you please show me the site that shows this? I am very interested in seeing it.

It's a totally reasonable comparison for the software I have to work in. All the primary functions of the software are single threaded. I have seen comparisons and AMD builds trying to use Revit and it's not good, unless your only job is rendering the architect's files.

Sorry, but AMD's single thread performance doesn't hold a candle to that of Intel's. My 4790k has much better single thread performance than a 2700x, and it even beats a threadripper. See here https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

I have done this already. I finally managed to get it to boot with both sticks. I might play the waiting game, but I doubt I will be able to build and AMD rig. Single thread performance is what I have to have for work.

I have access to a free 1060. I don't game that often, and only at 1080p.

Hello everyone, This is my current situation with my PC. When I built this PC in late 2014 this is what I had. CPU: i7 4790k Cooler: Corsair H105 240 AIO Mobo: z97 MSI Gaming 7 GPU: EVGA GTX 770 2GB. PSU: Corsair HX750 RAM:G.Skill TridentX 16GB (8x2) 2400mhz DDR3 Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Zx 116dB PCIe Gaming Sound Card with 600 ohm Headphone Amp and Desktop Audio Control Module SSD: Samsung 840 256GB Sata HDD: Western Digital Blue 1TB (this is less than 1 year old) I used this for gaming and as my home studio PC for production. I had it shipped to where I relocated last June and the Mobo was dead. Unfortunately I had to swap with the only thing I could find which was an AsRock H81M-VG4 R3.0. This board is crap IMO. I had to roll back the BIOS in order to overclock it. There is no XMP or manual adjustments for the RAM speed, so my Ram is currently clocked at 1333 or 1600. Also, there are only 2 RAM slots. I always had plans to up it to 32GB when necessary. The other day I came home and booted up the PC and was getting RAM error saying slot B isn't working please reseat the RAM and try again. I did this and it wouldn't boot. After a few more tries it booted. Then I got an error saying that RAM slot A was the problem. Reseated that one and the error went back to B. I finally got it to boot off both sticks. I know the RAM is good because both sticks worked if I used only one slot. I haven't restarted it since then. I usually just put the PC to sleep at when I leave my house or go to bed. I only shut it down when I leave for more than a day or two. Should I buy a new MSI z97 Gaming 5 or 7? I would also be able to upgrade to 32GB of RAM if I wanted, and I have access to a free GTX 1060 6GB. What would you guys do? I have to work in Revit from time to time at home for my job and this software is single thread dependant. The 4790k still is pretty high on the charts for single thread performance. Therefore an AMD system is probably not gonna work for me despite the great price to performance on those builds. If I was to buy a new PC I would wait a few months and possibly build an i9 9900k with a 2070Ti or something similar along these lines. Thanks for any recommendations, and thank you for taking the time to read my thread.

No I haven't. Never heard of it. I'll look into it.

If you have access to a spare power supply that would be a great starting point. Make sure that windows isn't in any sort of power saving mode. Set the power settings to high performance or custom. Also, you mentioned you have overclocked the CPU and the GPU. What are your clocks and temps? If either of these get too hot and start to throttle it will cause these dropping fps issues. Even if your temps are okay, you should try to run on stock clocks and see if anything changes. If all of this is inconclusive you could have a faulty CPU or GPU. If you have access to a friend's system that is similar, that would work wonders for testing.

Thanks for sharing this. It's very eye opening. It appears that the connection from Thailand to Aus or NZ is just not up to speed. Our company does use OneDrive quite a bit, and that seems to help, but there are old timers in the office that, well lets just say don't embrace changes. Often times I have to RDP to their server and open a browser and upload files to the OneDrive so that I can download them from my end after they are uploaded from their end. Needless to say this isn't easy, especially because it won't let me drag in folders to the OneDrive upload interface whilst I'm using RDP. We don't really use the connection to transfer files, so I don't need tons of speed. Just enough so the RDP connections can work in the environment without lag. I will also hope to do a DFS-R for our servers, but we'll see how that goes. I have a feeling we will never get enough speed to keep up. Again, thanks for your replies. This is very helpful and I will update this with more info when I get this sorted out.

That's entirely possible, but I believe the upload speed suffer over those distances. What speed of internet do you have? Could you try doing a speed test and changing the server to one in Chiang Mai, Thailand and see if it affects your upload badly? Thanks in advance.