MiiaBestLamia

Hello!
I'm planning to re-use an older case for my little brothers first PC (most of the parts will be a hand-downs from me), and I'm having some trouble figuring out if I will be able to connect the new fans to the old fan controller.

I'm thinking of installing four of these fairly cheap fans in place of the old ones.

This is the motherboard.

The old fans (which I think are these) had RGB, and connected to a fan controller called DF-906 (couldn't find any information about this fan controller after googling it).

The description of the fan connector in the manual states the following:

"Fan connector port: (PH2.0) 6P, the interface is parallel, 6 - way fan lighting synchronization, line sequence: FAN / 12V / FGND / LGND / DATA / +5V"

The DeepCool fans are rated for 12V, so if I plug them into the upper 3pin part of the 6pin, they should work, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't care much about the RGB or controlling the speed, the main objective it to get them to work.

If there are any better/more simple ways to plug all 4 case fans in, do let me know.

Thank you for your time!
Edit:
I decided to just connect the exhaust fan to the PSU using the included Molex connector, in stead of frying my fans or something else. It works well, the other fans are connected to the motherboard and also work well.

Just now, Purify. said:

My cpu usage is around 50% 

I had another cpu (i7 7700k) and another mobo i tested it and still the same problem

And i tested this experiment in many games and they had the exact same problem

Maybe try running a userbenchmark test, see what pops up there. No clue if it's reliable or not, but it helped me identify a problem or two with my system, so it might help you as well.

If you have the same problem in all games, then it's definitely something with your system. I play apex on 1440p@144Hz, minimum settings with an RTX2060 and my game is buttery smooth. Back when I had the Ryzen 5 2700X my FPS was completely stable but my game also felt choppy. Strangely, my CPU usage wasn't maxed out, it was about 70-80% (if i remember correctly), but the game was still choppy.
Also, Apex is horribly optimized, so I wouldn't use it as a "benchmark".

@Darpyface @TofuHaroto

Looked up some 3600MHz RAM that might be in stock in a shop that belongs to an acquaintance, would appreciate some feedback.
If I understand correctly, having 2 sticks is generally (by a small margin) better than 4 since the system is "less stressed", so I was mainly looking out for 2 stick kits.

All of the kits are 3600MHz, I might get a discount of ~10 euros for any of these.

For approximately 180 euros:

• https://www.gskill.com/product/165/166/1536656046/F4-3600C17D-32GTZRTrident-Z-RGBDDR4-3600MHz-CL17-19-19-39-1.35V32GB-(2x16GB)
• https://www.gskill.com/product/165/326/1562840525/F4-3600C18D-32GTZN-Overview

The 2nd link costs about 3 euros more, while having slightly worse timings but it is "optimized for Ryzen 3000 series CPUs", so i think the first choice is both visually more pleasing and better (unless the "optimized for Ryzen" part actually means something) stats wise.

For approximately 160 euros:

• https://www.gskill.com/product/165/184/1562833535/F4-3600C18D-32GVK
• https://www.gskill.com/product/165/184/1562831784/F4-3600C16D-32GVKC-Overview

The speeds are pretty similar, so i guess it all boils down to paying an additional ~20 euros for the glorious RGB.
I think the "F4-3600C17D-32GTZR" seems to be the best choice, and it should be completely compatible with my ROG STRIX B450-E GAMING motherboard (would appreciate a confirmation, though I'm pretty sure it'll be fine).

I personally have a RTX2060 coupled with a 7 3700X and it's great for me, i mainly play FPS (Titanfall2, Apex Legends currently), so what matters to me the most is stable framerate when playing on 1440p@144Hz, and my current combo accomplishes this quite well when turning down the graphics somewhat (In Apex i have to turn them way down for stable framerate, though that game is poorly optimized).

Basically, 2060S is a great choice, though I agree with Mateyyy about waiting for Ampere, since those cards are rumored to be much better than the current RTX cards (probably more expensive as well). You could buy a used card after Ampere comes out for a large discount, if you're interested in that.

1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

Yea same with going from a 3000 to a 3200. 

Not Worth the upgrade unless you need it really. Or just get the same exact kit that you currently have and same some money. 

Yeah, also considered that, the performance of my CPU is already satisfactory, so i guess buying better RAM wouldn't improve my situation by much, but would save me some money. Out of curiosity, any recommendations on DDR4-3600 kits? If I were to upgrade, I reckon this RAM would last me for quite a long while and would stay pretty highly rated.

1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

don't worry about the QVL list, worst case scenario you'll have to do some tinkering but that's it. 

as for the kit, this kit is mediocre and does nothing special. if you are dead  set on it, getting a full 32 gig kit will probably be better. 

also preferably look at a 3200 cl16-16-16 kit as that's usually b die, or a 3600 cl16 kit. 

but quick question. do you already have this board and cpu? 

I think the 32GB kit is more expensive than combining two 16GB kits, though I might be wrong. If i remember correctly, the cpu benefits very little from 3600, though i suppose it's a way to futureproof my RAM, spending more right now, not needing to spend anything later. Yes, i own the CPU, motherboard and the 16GB Corsair RAM.
 

4 minutes ago, Darpyface said:

It's not really worth it to upgrade from 3000MHz to 3200MHz (you can probably overclock that). I'd recommend spending a little more for a 3600MHz kit.

Fair enough, as Tofu said the same, so it might be a good idea to consider it. Any suggestions on a 3600 32GB kit (or 2 16GB kits)?
 

4 minutes ago, eeeee1 said:

wtf do you mean is fairly old. I still have friends with DDR3! and i have questions

1. what is your workload?

2.why are you using userbenchmark? 

other than that gl

Video editing, deep learning (which doesn't use much RAM), and gaming on 1440@144Hz. Userbenchmark was just useful when testing my CPU, as initially i had problems with it being way slower than expected, just saved it in case i needed it, figured it's a good way to show my specs/setup.

Thank you for the quick replies!

Hello!
I've been meaning to upgrade my RAM for a while now, seeing how my current "Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 C16 2x8G" kit is fairly old, and is barely enough for my current work and its speed could be better (could also be much worse, DDR4-3200 is the ideal point for the 3700X as far as I've read), and I've been wondering about the best choice for my setup.
Here is my current setup:
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/29501297
I've been thinking about buying 2 sets of 2x8GB of G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory, both due to the overwhelmingly great reviews and good specs and also due to its visual aesthetic.
From what I've gathered, using two sets of identical ram is a-okay in about 99% of situations, so it should work flawlessly, and my motherboard should be compatible with this RAM (though when checking the QVL list i didn't find this exact set, so that has me slightly worried).
Here is a PCPartPicker list with the CPU, motherboard and the RAM, there don't appear to be any conflicts (except the CPU and motherboard one, which can be ignored since i updated my BIOS just fine, and the performance is as expected)

Would appreciate any feedback, suggestions or more questions.
Thank you for taking the time to read my post!

Okay, after mucking around in the BIOS settings and nothing changing, i tried out the AMD Ryzen Master app, using Auto Overlocking made my clock speed go up to an average of 4.2, maximum 4.35, which I'm a-okay with. Windows strangely reports that my clock speed is always 3.2 now, though that's definitely wrong, especially since Ryzen Master and HWMonitor report the same speeds, and the rating has gone up as well.

Thanks for the help!

15 minutes ago, gloop said:

Ok, that means XMP is on, that should give you a small boost

 

 

monitor temps during load

maube try dduingn the GPU drivers and re-installing them. 

Did a stress test for about 5 minutes, the CPU didn't go further than 65 celsius, speed was 3.78GHz on 99% utilization, so thermal throttling shouldn't be the issue.
 

2 minutes ago, kamiraasu said:

I see you have difference how much Ryzen 7 3700X is boosting.
Earlier bench said 3.9ghz and later one 3.8ghz.

Ryzen 7 3700X can boost to 4.4ghz in the best scenario.
To achieve that, or something closer to that direction, it might need third party cooler.

The hotter it gets the less it boosts.

Yeah, might have something to do with the AI Overclock. During 99% utilization the temps were fine, 65 celsius seems pretty good to me, so I don't think it's thermal throttling.

12 minutes ago, gloop said:

3000mhz cl16 is still fine for Rey zen, you should see max a 5-10fps increase. If you do want, you can manually oc it using thaiphoon and dram calculator. 

So you think that RAM isn't the problem in my case? Any clue what else could be impacting my performance? Not gonna muck around with OCing, even though this RAM is old, i don't want to accidentally murder it just yet.

8 minutes ago, svmlegacy said:

It's likely due to the DIMM's running at 2133 MT/s.You'll want to turn on XMP/DOCP and set to 3000 MT/s, rather than trying to upgrade.

Okay, i turned on DOCP, which made my RAM rating approximately 10% better than before, though my CPU performance actually went down. Most recent run: link
CPU-Z rates my CPU poorly as well, link, though the RAM Frequency there is 1500MHz.

Hello!
I was wondering, is the relatively poor performance of my new Ryzen 7 3700X due to my outdated RAM?
This link leads to my Userbenchmark run which was done after making sure that my BIOS is up to date (version 3004 on my ROG B450-E Gaming, which is the latest), updating my chipset (which improved the performance by about 2%) and making sure that i have the most recent Windows 10 version, which I do.
I have the stock cooler for the CPU, had some trouble applying it (had no experience with this "hook" type cooler), but the thermals are fine, 50 Celsius idle, around 65 under load (during Userbenchmark run), which seemed to me like a lot, but supposedly that's a-okay for 3rd gen Ryzen CPU's, using an RM550X Corsair PSU.

I have 3 monitors, 4k, 1440p and 1680x1050, though i don't think that has any influence over my CPU.
Watched this Linus video, where a 3600MHz kit is recommended for 3rd gen CPU's, so i reckon I'm gonna have to order some RAM (open for recommendations), but I'd like to see what someone else thinks could be the problem.

The performance of my previous CPU, Ryzen 5 2600X, was fairly alright, it was performing as expected: link

Thank you for your time!

Hello!

After purchasing a STRIX RTX2060 for fairly cheap and having to saw my drive bay open to house it in my case, it's about time i purchased a new one.

After looking around for fairly cheap options (This one should be around 70 euros), the CR500 seems to be one of the better ones.

3 built in fans (2 in the front, 1 in the back, which creates positive air pressure), a lot of filters (even for your drive bay), cable management support and a tempered glass panel.

I have an ASRock A320M-HDV motherboard, which is Micro ATX Form Factor: 9.1-in x 8.1-in, the case supports Micro ATX, yet on their website the size of the Micro ATX is 9.6x9.6, so I'm wondering if my motherboard will fit.

The stock cooler on the Ryzen 5 2600X (the Wraith Spire) should be good, the case supports up to 180mm cooler size (not quite sure what this means, so I'm a bit skeptical). 

My 2060 is 30 x 13.2 x 5 centimeters, the case supports up to 40 centimeters, so that should be fine.

My RM 550x PSU is 150mm x 86mm x 160mm, the case supports up to 220mm, so that should be a great fit as well.

All of the reviews that I've seen about this case are really good, so I'd like to know your opinion, and whether the components will fit or not.

Thank you for your time!

8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Again, that's just frequency difference you can more than offset with a 100MHz offset in the core clock. I'd get the cheaper one.

For a 10 dollar difference, is there any point to buy the cheaper one? If they'd cost the exact same, would you buy the XC Black Gaming or the XC Gaming?

29 minutes ago, Zeitec said:

No that's an A320 board. It's kind of a piece of garbage. It won't OC your CPU and I doubt it'll have the VRMs to support an upgrade to 12 core Zen 2 CPUs in a few years if you find yourself wanting the extra clockspeed and cores. Seriously. Spend the extra $50 now so you can upgrade your CPU for cheap later instead of buying a whole new PC. 

Yeah, I bought it for cheap since all of the games that interest me weren't all that CPU heavy, so I didn't plan on overclocking. I don't think I'll need to upgrade it any time soon, but thanks for the input!

12 minutes ago, Bartholomew said:

Mine came 2ghz out of the box, just like the reviews. That said, i also feel performance wise theres no explicit reason to go for a strix version really; and as outline in my reply above i agree with that vid conclusion as nvidias boost tech (of which i keep forgetting the name) seems to get the best out of any chip sample regardless of "oc" settings (really, the settings in gputweak litterally have no (positive) effect with my sample at least).

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

factory OC on Turing seems to do nothing, Tech Deals @Youtube did a video on 6 RTX 2060s including the EVGA single fan 3 slot, the Gigabyte 3 fan 2 slot and Asus Strix. At stock they all run around 1850MHz (aside from a single fan dual slot mITX card) even though Strix has a much more aggressive factory overclock. In overclocking results Strix does get 1 extra fps than the Gigabyte 3 fan, but at that point it's more about the silicon lottery and not the card you're actually using.

I actually stumbled up on that video too, though i skipped through it and didn't even notice the lack of difference in the performance. Now my question is: which one of the EVGA is better? The EVGA XC Black Gaming seems inferior in every (only two) way to the EVGA XC Gaming - clock speed and texture fill rate. Both look identical, the price difference is only 10 dollars, the XC Gaming one being the costlier one.

15 minutes ago, Bartholomew said:

I have the strix, love it but indeed relative expensive. I didnt need 2070 performance (which in realworld isnt much diff from the 60 and to me ultimate low noise was paramount so less power equals less heat equals less noise.

 

Before buying i researched 2060s a lot and as others noted except for mostly cooling performance they perform pretty much equal.

 

There are many other models that are also "quiet enough" and decent for lower price though. I'd only be weary of GB ones due to fan stop being implemented without hystersis (just search for anoying fan spin up and down jitter) although they might have fixed that using driver and/or bios update by now.

 

Be aware though that personally i feel gputweak is not the best sw and have bad experience using the auto-overclock function in it (as in: leaving all things default makes the card boost higher, and on one attempt it even locked the card and pc showing scary artefacts making me reboost asap as i was scared the oc attemot would kill the card).

 

The pwm fan headers were usefull for me as my mb didnt allow gpu as temp source. My sample has 0 coil whine that i know of however its in a sound dampned chassis (one review dud mention "some minor whine" so ymmv).

 

 Only bf5 so far with rtx on makes the fans spin but inaudible pretty much even with sidepanel open and putting my ear 20cm from them. Bf3 (or normal desktop work) no fans needed and a hillarious 12% gpu usage.

 

What i didnt expect is that the strix controls the fans in 2 groups, one center and 2nd the left and right one which is a nice touch allowing for even more noise/cooling balancing (im using default setting and this seems automatic; hwinfo also shows the 2 groups as 2 fans nicely).

 

A lot of humor in this thread btw "vega 64 because it doesnt need much power"; and 2070s blowing 2060s away (+5%). If you would consider a 2070 then plz make the jump to 2080, 60 and 70 are too close except for price.

 

And comparing a strix 60 to a cheap 2070 is not meaningfull unless yoy only care "raw power" and not noise, vrm quality (thus stability) and temps (thus, noise, sustaining boost over long sessions, also stability). 

 

 

 

 

i care more about the performance and thermals of the card rather than the noise it makes - my 10603gb on 100% fan usage is like a vacuum cleaner, but due to my headphones i don't really hear it that much

the Strix i keep mentioning comes factory-overclocked, right? wouldn't want to muck around with overclocking too much

1 minute ago, Remikp04 said:

Where? All the ones I've seen about the gigabyte 6gb OC pro are good. Aorus are meh, which ik are gigabyte, but it's mainly the software I've heard about them

tomshardware, reddit, a couple of posts on this forum too. From my personal experience, Asus is really good, so i think the Asus one would be the best option for me.

1 minute ago, Remikp04 said:

Oh right fairs, then get gigabyte 6gb oc pro unless you really like rgb then the strix, gigabyte model has better temps and noise levels and ever so slightly worse performance by like 0.4 fps.

Read a fair amount of reviews about Gigabyte, saying their cards are inferior quality, so I don't want to buy anything from them. No bad reviews about EVGA or Asus ones.

1 minute ago, Remikp04 said:

Honestly mate, unless you're desperate to upgrade rn or really like one of the 3 free games, I'd wait for navi. I have near exactly the same specs as u and after some research realised it's better to just wait for navi than get rtx 2060 rn. You can get Vega 64 +15% performance for £250 (that's what everyones saying anyeay) and it doesnt take a lot of power and btw, thats near 1080ti level performance, which smacks 2060.

Got a monitor with G-Sync, so I'd like to stick to stuff that supports it. Also, lots of games coming out "soon" that I'd love to play, so I don't really want to wait too much.

42 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

not the Strix, it's priced too close to the cheapest RTX 2070 which will beat it any day. I'd go cheap and buy EVGA for their customer service. Their single fan 3 slot design seems to perform well too.

39 minutes ago, Geography said:

Honestly, all RTX 2060 cards perform within 5-10% of other RTX 2060 cards at stock speeds. It doesn't really matter which cooler you get.

 

STRIX cards are usually the best (in terms of thermals, noise levels, and overclocking), but they cost a fortune. I'd honestly just go for the EVGA dual fan card (that you mentioned) if it's being sold for a good price.

I could get the "EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 XC Ultra Gaming 6GB GDDR6 PCIE 06G-P4-2167-KR" for around 490 dollars from a reliable Latvian shop, so it'd be much easier to return/get it repaired in case of a malfunction. The Strix card would cost me about 530, so i think the factory overclock, better thermals and clock speed would be worth the extra 40 dollars. On the website, it says that the EVGA has an 1830 Turbo Speed, but does this mean I'd have to overclock it manually? I have no experience with overclocking, always saw it as a medium risk - low reward thing.

19 minutes ago, SocomSuade said:

Looking to branch out and try some other types of games but I really would like something interactive with multiplayer, team oriented kind of thing.

 

I pretty much have been playing the same few games for years and looking for something new. I play Pub G, Insurgency Sandstorm and some B rated indie game that is trying to remake Socom 2. So yeah, basically multiplayer shooters. I could never get into campaign type games and prefer to play multiplayer.

 

I did recently DL Guild Wars 2 and although it seems a little odd I will put a few hours in to give it a chance. What else do you recommend?

World of Tanks can be decent - the game is really stable, doesn't need a beefy system to be played. The only problem nowadays is that it's way too team reliant, though you can still have loads if fun if winning isn't your only objective. Playing without putting in some money into it can be slow and miserable at times, but i'd still recommend trying it.

League of Legends was my favorite game for 3 or so years, now I've switched to Apex as well, and it's an amazing game. Works really well for me, no crashes, no performance issues.

Hi!

Using a lot of suggestions from multiple forums, including this one (link to thread), I've decided to purchase an RTX2060 GPU, but now another question has arisen - which model should I go for?

Overall, the price difference between the most expensive and the cheapest one is around 110$, the most expensive one being Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2060 OC Edition.

From what I've seen, this card has the best thermals of all of the cards, obviously the best performance, it also comes factory overclocked at 1830 MHz.

In the most recent Linus video, where they compare the AMD vs Intel builds, both Linus and Anthony go for a Zotac 2060 Twin Fan, which is about 100 dollars cheaper than the Asus ROG one.

I've looked through some other threads on 2060, a lot of people recommend the Asus ROG, but some people also recomment the EVGA Dual Fan design.

These are my current specs: 

Windows 10, 64 bit

Corsair RM 550X (550W, recently upgraded with the help of this forum, thanks!)

AMD Ryzen 5 2600X

NVIDIA 1060 3GB

ASRock A320M-HDV

Predator Z1 (2560 x 1440, 144Hz)

Any feedback is welcome!

Thank you for your time!

26 minutes ago, martward said:

I'd get a 2060 unless you can find a 1070ti for cheaper. The performance difference between a 2060 and a 1070 is pretty big. The difference between the 2060 and 1070ti is rather small. Where I live the 2060 has always been cheaper than the 1070ti so it makes absolutely no sense to buy a 1070ti, don't know how this is in your location.

This is a decent Latvian website, could you have a look and say which one of these are good? There's a lot of models, obviously the triple-fan ones look the best and are the most expensive ones. I checked out the Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2060 OC Edition, it has a "gaming mode" clock of 1830 (base is 1365), so it seems pretty good. The cheapest one is 1680 and 1365 respectively. Only about 70 euro difference between the most expensive and the cheapest one.