Ya they were 6th, but 3-6 was so close it was almost interchangeable. I think at the end of the day any thing over the 1000 mark (ltt was 1201) should have zero issue with the bits coming out of the driver and remaining with the screw, so hes not wrong in saying that the bits stay in the driver, just turns out that there are a number of drivers that wouldnt have that issue either. Once think I didnt pay attention to is are the drivers above them using the standard short bits as well or were some of them the double sided ones or the ones where the entire shaft housed the bits because those drivers are a different level. Thats why the PB Swiss one is so impressive in that regard, for it to also use short bits and have that kinda retention is amazing.