Amosarthus

I have no idea what I would do with this but I want it.

You might want to consider a reference blower card if you're gonna go with that case.

If a company can rebrand a card twice, a card that is still regarded as "functional" by every means. Then what negative do you find in that.

 

Its like all of these companies that buy old cars and restore or turn them into hot rods. Seriosly, do you harp on them for "rebranding and repurposing" cars that were made FIVE DECADES AGO?

No you dont, or atleast most people dont.

 

 

Same thing here, all they did was take their old product and restore it, added a few new things and that was it.

 

Want to know what confidence is? When you got the balls to rebrand a GPU THREE TIMES, and several others TWO TIMES knowing full well it will STILL perform within their respective price brackets. Hell they even bumped the 290X just enough to make it compete with the 980. You know what that is? That is confidence in the product you have made. They didnt strictly need to make a new linup, even though the consumers hoped for it. They didnt need to, it was that simple.

 

Hey, my 295x2 is 2 years old soon, 2 years, Nvidia has still not released a card in any shape or form that is faster, nor at the price point of 700 USD. Great going by Nvidia ey?

 

truth be told, your whining, along with all the others about rebrands, is based in some communal consensus that "copy pasta bad, mkay"... It has no root in reality.

 

The 290/290X competed with the 970, the 390 still competes with the 970. The 290X competed with the 980, the 390x competes with the 980.

The Fury X competes with the 980 Ti, and so far its not too far off

The 295x2 competes with itself, because Nvidia has no offering that has the kind of performance to price ratio of that card. SLI you say? I can run this card in a mITX case, infact my best friend bought a 295x2 when they were on sale and stuffed it into a Corsair 380T with a i7 4790k, can Nvidia cram that performance into such a setup? No.

 

Want to harp on AMD? Tell Nvidia to step up their game and make some sort of GPU that can last three whole generations and still be relevant.

Nvidia can actually release a card that can be relevant for e few generations. Imagine their entire Kepler lineup. Now imagine them rebranded as GTX 900 Series. There you go.

The point people are trying to make with rebrands is that they suck. Imagine your dad rewrapping last year's Christmas present and giving it to you. Except he changes the wrapping paper. Like that? NO. Nobody does. That Christmas present may have been good, but wouldn't you feel cheated? I mean it's been almost 2 years and all AMD can come up with is 3 Fiji chips and the rest of the lineup is completely rebranded (except for R9 380X, I think). Why not just DON'T release the new lineup and save that number "3" for something actually NEW. 

Sure you might argue that Maxwell performs about the same as Kepler. But with one difference: POWER CONSUMPTION. AMD's new cards are EXACTLY THE SAME. Sure, bump the VRAM. Not like 3rd party vendors haven't already done that.

As for the R9 295X2, I'll admit it's in a class of its own. But keep in mind, your card might perform well now, but SLI and CrossFire rely HEAVILY on drivers and game optimisation. If the game has shitty SLI/CrossFire support, you might as well just call your card an R9 290X WC. I for one will not go SLI/CrossFire. Game Devs are lazy enough with general bug fixing and optimisation, let alone multi-GPU support.

I don't buy AMD because they simply haven't made anything worth buying over Nvidia since the 6000 series.

You just have to look at the FuryX vs the 980 Ti.

There is literally no reason to buy the FuryX unless you need the small form factor or get it for $100+ less.

Even at the same price/performance Nvidia would be the better option simply because of driver/gpu support and features.

 

Actually Nvidia's drivers have been REAL shitty these past few months. They crippled Kepler users to sell Maxwell better. Just look at Project CARS and The Witcher 3. Even a GTX Titan Black can't outperform a GTX 970 in those games. Why? Driver issues. Once you rollback the drivers, you get butter smooth gameplay. And I'd say AMD's really banking on DX12, where most of their innovations (if any) will reveal themselves. I'd say get an old R9 290X for cheap and forget about the damned 300 Series.

Thank you for the comment.  

 

If the reviews show the 390x as being a poor value (especially if your local prices are way too high) then by all means, don't buy it.  But lets say for example the 390 and 390x are right in the performance range of the 970 and 980 (+ or - a few percentage points, depending which review site you read, and depending on factory OC etc), and your local prices are also comparable, why not give the AMD cards some consideration?  

 

You (and others) have pointed out allowing market share influence your personal buying decision is a bad idea.  That is a valid point, I agree, rewarding mediocrity will get you more mediocrity.  Thank you for pointing that out.

 

But lets pretend for a moment the Fury x comes out as being identical in performance to a 980 ti, and the price was the same, and assuming drivers were equivalent, would you buy AMD or Nvidia?  In that case, would you factor into your decision the overall GPU market?

 

 

And on the other side of things, if AMD goes bankrupt (or more likely they would get bought by the likes of Samsung or others) that would give room for market share to be scooped up by a more suitable competitor.  Perhaps we'd see stagnant innovation for a couple of years, but once the new player entered the market innovation would likely explode.  I guess that is the beauty of capitalism and free markets - resources are constantly being transferred from the lazy to the innovative.

 

Companies love brand loyalty because it gives them room to relax a little.  Everybody tries to do it, some brands are really good at it.  Apple, Nvidia, even Asus with their ROG series.  It is not wrong or evil, but I wonder how it affects innovation.

I think AMD shot themselves in the foot with the R9 Rebrand Series. I mean, if you're going for a GTX 970-ish card you'd be looking at a GTX 970 because its superior in every way except for VRAM. Think about it. Would you buy a card which has about the same performance but consumes twice the amount of power? No! Except if you already own a pretty baller power supply and don't give two shits about power consumption. AMD's only selling cards will be the Fiji cards. But the flagship doesn't outperform the similarly priced GTX 980Ti (except maybe 4K and DX12 yeah, yeah, I know).

Maybe the Fury (non Pro) might be the only selling card since it's $100 less and probably beats the GTX 980, but still. They can't really expect to get any customers with their new cards. For the price/performance guys the card on the table will be the GTX 970. And for absolute performance junkies? GTX980 Ti hands down. I know it's bad for us customers but it's pretty much AMD's fault. They wasted time and resources on useless APUs which no one in their right mind would buy (they market it for gamers for gosh's sake). They've pretty much lost the CPU market, as far as I can tell. And in the past 6 months of them not putting up any new cards to go head-to-head with Maxwell? They've pretty much lost the GPU market as well. All of my friends (even AMD fanboys) bought GTX 970s because the Red Team delivered nothing. And when you wanna game, you ain't gonna wait 6 darned months for AMD to release a new lineup.

While I do kinda lean towards the green team, I respect AMD and eagerly await their new releases (so Nvidia may lower prices). When I heard that the R9 300 Series would consist of 99% rebranded cards I was sorely disappointed, only to be excited for the Fury X. But now it seems that my hope of Nvidia lowering GTX 980Ti prices is ashes. Hopefully the DX12 benchmarks can prove AMD can still produce a GPU King.

Try using the clear cmos button before you boot, or if you don't want to lose those settings, hit the MemOK! Button if you're sure both sticks work fine in another rig.

If that fails it's probably a bad slot.

I cleared CMOS too many times to count, hahaha.

Have you tried just a single stick of the Vengeance pro in RAM slot 0? Did that post?

Yeah. It did, once, then failed. I retried many times.

How did you get the witcher 3 playable?

The only way i get it at 60fps is running in 1080p (high/ultra without aa), on 1440p with lowest settings its still not smooth ;(

Roll back drivers and disable Nvidia Streamer Service if you don't use SHIELD or ShadowPlay. Worked for me.

Hi guys, I have a strange problem with my rig (i7 4790K, Maximus VII Impact). Recently I have been unable to boot up my PC due to Q-Code 55, which is a memory problem (I think). So I tried swapping out my 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance Pros for my old but trusty 2x4GB Kingston HyperX Blues. No problems booting there. So, thinking it was a problem with my VPros, I tested them in my old rig (i7 3770, ASUS P8Z77-V) and boots perfectly, nothing wrong. So, I try placing the VPros back into my Maximus build. Nada. Retry using my Kingstons, boots no problemo. Is it a RAM problem or is there something wrong with my Mobo?

Maximus Rig:

i7 4790K

ASUS Maximus VII Impact

240GB  Intel 530SSD

3TB WD Black

600W Silverstone SX600-G

Leadtek GTX780

Old rig:

i7 3770

ASUS P8Z77-V

1TB WD Blue

750W AcBel PSU

Leadtek GTX780 (I swap the gpu depending on which rig I'm using)

Both PCs are running Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

The RAM:

2x4GB Kingston HyperX Blue 1600MHz (works on both rigs single channel, dual channel everything)

2x8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866MHz (only works with old rig, sometimes boots on new rig with single channel on 1st slot tho)

Any sort of help would be welcome. I personally think it's a problem with the Mobo RAM slots, but I could be wrong...

Hi guys, I have a strange problem with my rig (i7 4790K, Maximus VII Impact). Recently I have been unable to boot up my PC due to Q-Code 55, which is a memory problem (I think). So I tried swapping out my 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance Pros for my old but trusty 2x4GB Kingston HyperX Blues. No problems booting there. So, thinking it was a problem with my VPros, I tested them in my old rig (i7 3770, ASUS P8Z77-V) and boots perfectly, nothing wrong. So, I try placing the VPros back into my Maximus build. Nada. Retry using my Kingstons, boots no problemo. Is it a RAM problem or is there something wrong with my Mobo?

Maximus Rig:

i7 4790K

ASUS Maximus VII Impact

240GB  Intel 530SSD

3TB WD Black

600W Silverstone SX600-G

Leadtek GTX780

Old rig:

i7 3770

ASUS P8Z77-V

1TB WD Blue

750W AcBel PSU

Leadtek GTX780 (I swap the gpu depending on which rig I'm using)

The RAM:

2x4GB Kingston HyperX Blue 1600MHz (works on both rigs single channel, dual channel everything)

2x8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866MHz (only works with old rig, sometimes boots on new rig with single channel on 1st slot tho)

Any sort of help would be welcome. I personally think it's a problem with the Mobo RAM slots, but I could be wrong...

Yeah they only released the 300 series, fury was a joke right?

Did u even watch the damn stream? New era refers to fury not 300, idiot

Fury is the main feature, but still, AMD should answer for rebranding their entire R9 200 lineup as the R9 300 series. It's not just stupid, its goddamn retarded. Why couldn't they release a full Fiji-based lineup? I mean, the Fiji-based cards look super promising, so why rebrand?

If you have the extra money, maybe go for the Radeon Fury Series. Based on Fiji architecture. No point going with AMD R9 300 Series. All rebrands. Either that or go green team?

I think you misunderstand why people are mad. What AMD is doing with the R9 390X (and their entire lineup) is basically rebranding old cards, with minor tweaks. The GTX 970 and GTX 980 are Maxwell cards, based on a newer architecture, whereas from the rumours, the only new chip AMD has is the FURY, and that reportedly costs more than the GTX 980Ti

Don't get Kepler cards. NVIDIA's sabotaging the performance of Kepler cards with their newer drivers in order to make Maxwell look good. Search benchmarks of Witcher 3 or Project CARS and you'll see. Anyone with a Kepler card, Titans included can just use them as paperweights now.

No, they said they were going to improve the game's visuals with patches. There actually isn't real evidence of a downgrade, more of a misleading trailer. The trailer said in-game footage when it was just in engine. It wasn't actually gameplay. That's really like saying the Star Wars Battlefront trailer (in engine) should be representative of the final product. It was a very misleading thing they did by saying in-game but they've clarified on this, and the game itself was never downgraded.

Actually they did admit it was downgraded. Kinda. The VGX 2013 trailer was an older build of the game which they scrapped in order to focus on performance. Still looks pretty though. The E3FX mod is just a reshade. And I think that is based on an even earlier version of the game. Looks too different from the VGX and more recent trailers. IMO the vanilla version looks better.

Me want 6-core gaming rig. Grah!

Just bought the Blackwidow Ultimate 2013 with the blues. I'd rather use the blues than go Kaihl.

I can't say anything about build quality since I haven't used the Razer switches for an extended period of time. All can I say that is that Razer Orange switches do feel slightly different to Cherry MX Brown, the tactile point is higher and the tactile bump, at least in my experience not as pronounced instead feeling a noticeably softer. I'm not sure if it's just the ones I've tried but they do feel slightly different, personally I prefer the feel of traditional Cherry Browns over the new Razer Orange switches but I do know someone that does prefer the feel of the Razer ones.

 

Although if you want a higher tactile point with a silent tactile actuation point I would suggest you to take a look at the new Logitech Omron G910.

But they are sticky. Oh gosh darn it. Looks like I will have to get used to red backlights. BlackWidow 2013 is gone from the market and so are my hopes of getting a MX Brown with Green Backlight. Almost all the customer reviews on the Razer Switches are about sticking keys and inconsistency.

Does the Vengeance have a good mic?

USB headphones mean they bypass your onboard sound (or whatever dac/amp you typically use). Which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the circumstance. (If you're going to get a sound card and then a USB headphone, that would be pretty hilarious.) Razer audio products should be illegal, I'm going to PM a mod now to make any mention of that a bannable offense in this subsection. Seriously, the gamur l337 auwdeeoh gear crap is so old, so stereotypical, and so retarded. Sound cards typically don't make sense because an external amp and dac does what it does and better at the same price. The only reason to get a sound card is a) You are so ridiculously space constrained, you cannot space 4 inches of desk space for anything external B- You are looking for a specific surround sound feature that is only from a few sound cards c) Your onboard sound is toast/glitching out and you need a cheap replacement. A $150 sound card like Asus STX on the other hand makes no sense. You have a dac and amp, it's glued onto your motherboard. Unless it is faulty, you likely won't hear a difference. This might seem like bullshit to you because spending that much money on audio gear seems like a lot so therefore it must make a difference, but that's a faulty assumption. Plus, even if you could, the sound card is outclassed by an external amp/dac.

 

Despite your longer than average OP I saw nothing on a budget. That's probably the best place to start. Figure out what headphone to get, then think about amp/dac if it is needed. Headphones first.

I think I'm going for either a HyperX Cloud or the Vengeance 1500. No more sound card. @BaSkA, which one is better?

Most of those broken BlackWidows probably are of the Cherry-MX-flavor

?? Huh?

Yeah, a lot of what you guys are saying is really what I've been fearing. I mean, since the Kailh Switches are cheaper, why does't Razer knock off some of the price? And the fact that it is Chinese-made is kinda worrying. I'm Chinese myself, but I still fear products Made in China. And I'm not buying the Razer Orange Switches because "Razer claims its better for gaming" but because they supposedly feel the same as browns. What I am worried about is quality and like exousia7 says, consistency. Razer is easy for me to buy because it is sold almost everywhere here and RMA is no problem. But I really wish they had more variety with their mechanical keyboards and also wish that they'd stop messing around with China-stuff and PLEASE USE CHERRY! It's hard to find any 2013 Blackwidows here so I asked if the 2014 Editions are worth it. And has anyone else used the Razer Switches? Do you know of friends who have broken Razer Switches or such? These things help a lot, thanks.