MarvinKMooney

The smaller the node, the less reliable and less durable it becomes, which is why NAND flash kinda is stuck at 16nm for SLC. https://web.archive.org/web/20210517040328/https://www.skhynix.com/eng/about/history2010.jsp
 
No SLC has been developed since. Now we're at:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/SK-Hynix-working-on-cutting-edge-321-layer-NAND-flash-memory#:~:text=SK Hynix is the first,the first half of 2025.
 
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/electronics/electronics-10-03156/article_deploy/electronics-10-03156-v2.pdf?version=1640157777#:~:text=In the CMOS under Array,is available for CMOS circuits.
Only things that really matter what the process node is are logic circuits for math. Once you're off to storage, network or i/o, the process node doesn't really need to "get faster", it needs to "become more reliable". For example, we've had 10/100 Ethernet since the 90's, and have had Gbit on PowerMac's since 2000. So we've gone 24 years without any innovation in Gbit ethernet, and what has brought Gbit into standard on desktop PC's was Realtek's PCIe Gbit chips... in 2005, which was probably 90nm. A lot of the stuff on the cheapy RTL chips was software, so that built in ethernet was passible, but not enterprise grade. Gbit Ethernet has not gotten any faster, because it can't. What do you get by shrinking the process node? less energy use? Does that make the chip any cheaper?
 
2.5Gbit? 10gbit? It is appearing in consumer products. Just only Apple seems it necessary to put it into it's hardware, and not ALL of it's hardware. 
 
Then you have SATA and USB, and really, how much faster do you need the i/o die to be? the interconnect between the i/o die (or traditionally the south bridge) hasn't changed and on AMD it's still just a PCIe interconnect.
 
Most gains with the i/o die are physical space and energy use, but we aren't seeing any new functionality being added to justify it. I'd rather have more PCIe lanes so I can have several PCIe NVMe drives AND a GPU. But Intel and AMD are like "nah, you only need 20 lanes, or you need our server product."
 

You use the right nodes appropriate for the product. I think some of my Canon big camera sensors were made on 180nm. For that specific use case, you don't get much benefit moving to newer nodes.
 
Here's a visualisation of TSMC's revenue by node. 5+3 make roughly half of their revenue. Older nodes make much less per wafer, so if you count by volume leading edge is only a small part. There is demand for both leading edge and mature nodes. Even Intel is making new 12nm offerings in partnership with UMC as part of their foundry service. It'll be a kind of general node for those that don't need to be near leading edge.
 

Yea but the article is broken so I didn't bother, google image search got it/cached it so only place to get it. Anyway, https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/capacity-leaders-wafer-size-2021-02/
 
Has the same/some info in text at least
 
Probably only in particular node size equivalent or something like that, not in raw 300mm/200mm wafers per month. Going from 6th to 2nd is really too much in the time frame so it'll be some specific metric they are measuring against.
 
Like for example GloFo doesn't do leading edge anymore and many of the others are memory/NAND so Intel likely isn't counting them as they are also not leading edge etc etc. All about the spin heh

Got a link to where that was from? I try to do that when I reference stuff so it can be followed up more easily.
 
In interview below, Pat claims Intel are already #2 fab worldwide counting internal consumption. They want to be #2 foundry by revenue (external customers) by 2030 only behind TSMC.
Written version link: https://morethanmoore.substack.com/p/an-interview-with-pat-gelsinger

Intel have consistently said CPU tiles will be manufactured on Intel fabs and I don't think they are exploring TSMC at all for that, backup plan or otherwise. Have to remember Intel is a giant fab that produces a huge amount of wafers, TSMC cannot absorb Intel's needs and every existing customer as well.
 

Figures will have changed since 2020 but Intel is only getting bigger.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-arrow-lake-everything-we-know/
 

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/leaked-intel-roadmap-shows-15th-gen-arrow-lake-cpus-still-based-on-20a-2nm-node-rumor/
 
Arrow Lake cores have been hinted at 20A for a while. I think Intel have said in the past that they have backup plans for 20A. It'll still be 20A, but they could make different versions of it depending on how well things go. It mainly affects manufacturing efficiency (thus cost) more than performance. Note I don't have strong feelings about either site I used above, they were the first ones I found with those slides.
 
Look at Meteor Lake for example. Cores are on Intel 4. GPU is on TSMC N5. SOC+IO on N6. Balance performance and cost, with older nodes used as appropriate.
 
I suspect 20A will be capacity constrained initially so Intel may only offer Arrow Lake on the high end to start with, and follow up the low end much later.

Summary
Intel will be using tsmc 5nm in 15th generation, and then stepping down to 3nm with 16th. 
 
This could give some crazy performance in the newer chips
 
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My thoughts
 I wan planning to buy into 15th gen, but if 16th is going to 3nm? Maybe wait for it.   
 
This could be a crazy development in the cpu world 
 
Sources
 https://wccftech.com/intel-ceo-confirms-tsmc-process-nodes-next-gen-cpus-n3-arrow-lake-n3b-lunar-lake/amp/

Two Classics
 
 

Some sad songs are hopeful though..
 

Word of advice, a zinger kind of loses its punch if you say it 21 times. 
 
 
There is no time limit to writing comments. If you were still working on it then you could have just finished the comment before posting. 
 
 
What makes you say Apple isn't a tech company? I think they might possibly be the best example of a tech company. They develop their own OS and libraries. They develop their own hardware including GPU, CPU and NPU architectures. They are also highly involved with the development of new process nodes. 

Sounds like you are/where really bad at your job and inflexible at learning new things when things don’t work the way you are used to.

This message makes it seem like you're bringing your personal disliking for Apple and their products into my comment on the production value and effort put into MA content. Lol.

I was working on it.

Off the bet i will say i hate crapple so a youtube channel just on crapple would never be something that was for me.
 
I will say anyone working on a youtube channel and is able to make it work, good on ya that isn't easy.
 
That said i think youtube channels who focus only on crapple are part of the cult if they want to admit it or not.
I have no issue with a clean and minimal production but i just really dont like the style or look of mac address that's why its the only LTT channel i dont sub to or watch. crapple only channels try to appeal to crapple fanboys and when they do that will never have any content worth watching IMO at that point your no better then crapples press release.
 
Before anyone calls me a windows or PC fan i bloody hate microsoft, Im a fan of PC's yes but for what they let you do with them unlike crapple where its what crapple lets you do with em and only if the dev scratched crapples back.
 
 

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Not sure why you would make this comment without sharing your opinion.

Mad address is great!

I just realized how great Mac Address is as a YouTube channel. The idea has been done before, but the execution on this one is perfect. Everything feels minimal and clean and so different to other Linus Media Group productions that you would think that it’s a completely different channel or even a small channel run by a few guys who like cameras and Apple products. I’m convinced that there’s a small minority of people that know Mac Address as “that cool channel that makes videos about Apple products” and not “Linus’ apple channel” 
 
Well done to Jonathon & team for building such a cool brand

I was thinking that this song might turn out a little different these days.
 

Yes...?
 
 
Gooey.

Track: Ambience 
Artist: Life

I had same experience as well
If the platform serving ads doesn't give any single crap on making actual good ads experience and care for their users, I don't see the problem of blocking it

as i understand it, the use of an ad blocker is to block intrusive ads, but rossmann's glorification of ad blockers (among others) have reached a point where youtube addicts are looking for every possible way to block ads, this situation has turned places such as r/youtube into a cesspool of made up posts of complaining about ads and the anti-adblocker, one of the most upvoted posts of the week was some dude claiming that he needed not to have ads in a first aid video. lil bro wants to watch a youtube video before calling 911. 
 
i use ublock origin and im doing well enough, not a single annoying ad, but these ad blocker people want to block every possible ad, even if non-intrusive.
 

ok, ok... but ublock pretty much blocks 99% of all ads, and also how would *you* know which ads are malicious...?  hint: you don't lol
 
no, its to block *all* ads, and tracking, and *especially* "malicious" ads... all ads are "intrusive" by nature... 

I have had ads on Facebook try to give me malware. So yes in my eyes all ads are bad because these dumb fucks refuse to verify who they are selling ads to.