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Thank you guys. I'll try to get a refund over the MSI and get the Gigabyte.

Hello guys, Here's the thing: last Friday I bought an MSI Aero 2070 RTX (https://www.pccomponentes.com/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-aero-8g-8gb-gddr6) but, for the exact same price, I can get a Gigabyte Windforce 2070 RTX (https://www.pccomponentes.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2070-windforce-8g-8gb-gddr6). The question is: should I get a refund for the MSI Aero and go for the Gigabyte? I'm concerned with the following aspects, in this order: 1. Durability 2. Performance 3. Noise I've plugged in and tested the MSI and got 71~72ºC in both Monster Hunter: World and Star Citizen, with fans spinning at 60~65% of its capacity. Noise was pretty loud, so I can imagine that at 100% of its capacity it might be unbearable unless I use a headset. The room had a temperature of 19.5ºC. I live in a pretty hot region. In summer, the room's temperature usually reaches 29-32ºC. I've had both turbine and triple-fanned graphic cards and both died. The first one was a 8800 GTX from nvidia. The second one was a 580 GTX Windforce OC from Gigabyte. What would you do? Will the windforce cool better than the aero? Will it be quieter? Which brand do you trust the most? Thanks.

Sorry for the double post, but it's an important update and I don't want to create a new thread for this: Hi guys, I'm about to build an entirely new 24" 1080p 144hz gaming PC and one of the goals I want to achieve is being able to run most games —especially Star Citizen— as smoothly as possible within a certain budget. So... I'm considering something like this: https://www.pccomponentes.com/configurador/Aa21DfB8A I've discarded Intel's 8700 and 9700 (k and non-k) proposals because, although they're better processors for gaming than the 2700x, they are like 150-170€ more expensive (200€ counting the cooler you need to buy separately). But I still have some doubts. Mainly: should I go for the 2700X or stay with the 30€ cheaper 2700? I'm not going to do overclocking (especially not with Ryzen's stock cooler), but the 2700x stock clocks are slightly faster than the 2700. I don't know if that's worth the price though. The second question —and probably the most relevant— revolves around the decision of purchasing a 1070 ti or a 2070. I don't care about raytracing (since I'm pretty sure it won't perform well this 1st gen), but the 2070 seems to offer a 15-17% increase in performance for a 15% price increase, which seems fair enough. HOWEVER (and that's a big however), I've heard that the RTX series (especially the 2080 ti) are having durability issues, with some cards dying already. So if I'm about to spend 540€, I don't want those to fade in a couple of years time... What do you think? PS: I will support my PC multitasking experience with an old HDtv 1366x768 I have.

Man... The sky is the limit here... ?

Hi! Sorry for the delay. Thank you very much for your answer. You've clarified many of the doubts I had. I was about to make the mistake of purchasing an i7 8700K with DDR4-3000 RAM. I haven't made a decision yet, though... Purchasing a 144hz monitor implies spending a huge amount of money. Around 100€ more on the monitor itself and then some 200-300€ more on hardware in order to be able to exploit those 144hz. If I settled for 60hz, then a Ryzen 7 2700X (-200€) and a 1070ti (-100€) would probably be more than enough to get 60FPS... Decisions, decisions... Again: thanks!

Thank you very much for this new proposal! Looks accurate and appealing enough. I'll probably use this one as a base!

Thanks a lot for your suggested build @brob. Let's go bit by bit: The RAM Quantity: the reason I went for 32GB in the proposed build was because I'm very interested in not having ANY problems in the far future. Especially with Star Citizen, which is either not optimized or too massive and simply devours every GB available (they recommend having 16+ GB of RAM). Speed: if I spend the huge amount required to have 32GB, I guess I will have to sacrifice speed (which comes at a cost, because not only I need faster RAM, but also a more expensive motherboard, right?). Compatibility: I guess you mean checking info like this one "4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 3200(O.C.)/3000(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory". Doubts: 1. Does the "O.C." indicator mean that those speeds are only available if I overclock my RAM and not if I purchase RAM with that base clock? That would seem weird. 2. I don't know what non-ECC means. 3. No clue about what "Un-buffered memory" means. The PSU In case I decide to overclock stuff a little bit (e.g. overclocking a 1070ti to 1080 clock speeds as a person suggested), will 650W be enough? What if I buy a 2070 RTX? I've heard that these new cards require a high amount of power. The GPU I guess I'll wait one month to see what the 2070 RTX is about and how much better (if any) it is compared to the previous gen. The monitor To be honest, I'm quite lost here as well. I've never had something that goes beyond an average 60hz monitor. I don't know if I would notice a 144hz freq or a 4k resolution (in a 24" monitor). Plus, the amount of money you have to spend to make current games run at 144fps or near that is astonishing. Do you recommend both specs in a 24" monitor? The processor I've checked that the difference between a 8700 and a 8700k is minimal (and the same goes for 2700 and 2700X). Thanks for pointing that out. It helps saving money and reinvesting it in different parts. I still don't know whether I should go for the R7 or the i7. If I go for the R7 I can save around 190-200€ because I don't need to buy a cooler either (which is a huge amount). Is the R7 good enough? Plus... Aren't 9th gen i7 just around the corner? Once again: thanks a lot!

Thank you very much for your comments, proposals and the information provided. It is interesting to see how much things can vary (and how much money one can save). I am going to look into your suggestions —as well as into those others that may still come from other forum members— in order to fine-tune the recipe.

Hello everyone, First off, it must be noted that this is the first thread and post I publish in "the forum you (I) should definitely join". Shoutout to the LTT team and to you guys. Now back to this thread's purpose: to ready and fine-tune my second-ever PC build and, more importantly, to learn as much as possible during the process. BACKGROUND INFORMATION As pointed out, I've only done this once in the past. Almost seven years ago to be more specific. Back then, a friend helped me with the build, although "helped" might be an understatement. He basically told me what to buy while letting me decide if I wanted to spend more or less money in certain pieces so as to gain some advantages (that I did not fully understand). It'll probably have to be similar this time, but with the difference being that I'm more interested in learning and (I think) more ready to do so (I want to believe that I've learned something along the way, especially watching certain videos *cough*). Anyway, this is what I bought back then: Motherboard: Asus P8Z68 V-PRO/GEN 3 Processor: Intel Core i7 2700K 3,5GHZ Cooler: Cooler Master V8 GPU: Gigabyte Nvidia GeForce 580 GTX RAM: G.Skill Sniper DDR3 1866 (2x4GB) PSU: Corsair GS800 HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM Case: NZXT Phantom Monitor: Asus VS248 24" And, for the most part, this is what I have right now. Just changed the 580 GTX (which burned itself out) for a 760 GTX that a friend kindly gifted me. So... Considering that I finally found some economic stability, I believe it's time for a change (FPS counters tell me that). SHAPING THE BUILD In order to help you help me, here's some general info that I consider useful to make recommendations and so on: I'm the kind of customer who thinks his purchase 300 times over. I don't want to go overkill if I don't need to. I don't care about RGB lighting and e-dick comparisons. I want to make one good efficient purchase that'll endure the passing of time as much as possible. I'm more into the idea of buying a whole PC, get the most out of it and then replace it with a new one, finding a new purpose/owner for the previous one. What I'll use the PC for: gaming (don't care about 4K unless you tell me that you can notice the difference in a 24-27 inch monitor) and occasional streaming, photoshoping and light video edition. Things I've already done with my current PC. NOTE: so far, the most ambitious game I think my PC would have to run is Star Citizen. Budget: around 1700€ (no keyboard, no mouse, no headset, no speakers). I doubt it, but it'd be better if I can manage to stick around the 1500€ mark. Purchases will be made either at pccomponentes.com or amazon.es (mostly the former; I'm from Spain). If someone's interested, there's a nice planning tool at pccomponentes.com/configurador/. TL; DR / Having said that, let us get into the specifics. This is the starting point: Motherboard: One of the parts I have more difficulties to choose. I don't truly know what's the difference between a 100€ MB and a 350€ one. I only know that it has to be 1151 8th or AM4, depending on the processor. I love Asus as a brand. Processor: I'm thinking about getting either an i7 K or a Ryzen 7 X, but I'm open to any suggestions you may have. Maybe that's too much for the intended use. I don't know. What I do know is that, according to LTT's comparisons, the i7 is better for gaming (with the R7 being better for multitasking). I've also heard that 8th gen i7 overheat because of some issue with the internal thermal paste. Cooler: until very few days ago, I believed that purchasing a top level air/liquid cooler was a must. Then, someone told me that I didn't need that unless I overclocked stuff. I've never done that and I don't intend to (unless it's easier than it looks and you absolutely recommend it). So I guess I can manage with the one provided by AMD if I go Ryzen or any other air cooler you may suggest if I go i7. GPU: one of the biggies. Should I go for Nvidia's new RTX (probably the 2070) or should I ignore that and go for a 1070/1080 GTX instead? I haven't read nor heard encouraging stuff about the RTX cards but I'm not sure either. RAM: I get a bit lost with frequencies, CL specs and bottlenecks. I only know that I want 16-32GB and that prices are astonishingly high. Storage: I know that I want a SSD and that Samsung makes great ones. What I don't know is which size should I settle with (500GB, maybe?) and which type of SSD to go for (SATA, NVM or M2). PSU: I know that I want one of those that feature an efficient management of power consumption (probably Corsair), but I do not know how many Watts should I aim for. Case: Open to suggestions. I love NZXT H440 and Phanteks P400 cases. What I care about is, of course, cooling and space management. The tempered glass part is cool, but I wouldn't like it to break (especially in those cases in which the tempered glass feature is as much a window as it is an entire panel). Monitor: Clueless. I guess I can go for a 60hz one featuring the new and cool thin frames style. Soundcard: Should I? And here's a possible build: https://www.pccomponentes.com/configurador/210714B99 So... what do you guys think? PS: I'm sorry. Huge post.