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I'm very happy with mine... Got it used off ebay a year ago. cheap. (these things don't die, they become obsolete - eventually) It renders that rotten, un-optimized Star Citizen alpha just fine. 2080 seems like the perfect generation to just skip. maybe for the RTX 3080TI, I'll take Nvidia's meds. we'll see...

Just bought an $150 i5-3470 SFF system for my 5 Year old, to get him off his unfortunate cellphone addiction... A Fujitsu Esprimo E410 Core i5 3470 3,20 GHz with 8GB RAM and a 240GB SSD from one of those used-corporate-box peddlers... The best GPU I could get in there, seems to be the GTX 1650, yes? No? This would make the entire system cost $310, while being able to play pretty much anything at 1080p with good detail around 60 fps? Anyone disagree with that assumption? The old i5 might cause slow downs, I don't know how much Intel CPU speeds have really changed, since they got stuck on the same node. Not sure about the wisdom of getting him from the phone onto a computer - it has at least one definite benefit: the system will be wired, no wifi, no cellular emissions, house is shielded. P.S. Why does the text formatting seem so weird on size vs line spacing? I tried the "remove formatting" button and it made everything huge...

Ok, so I wasn't just hallucinating.... Cooler CPU thanks to help from Nvidia ^^ I'll finish installing everything and then slowly let up on the wattage restrictions I set (thanks to suggestions here) and see where the CPU is happy. It might be ok with standard settings so long as I don't use its GPU...

Much thanks, I did actually find an option in the advanced BIOS settings to limit long duration power limits as well as short duration power limits. So I've set long duration to 65Watt - which is the rated TDP, so that might just stop things from getting out of hand. For the short duration, I've set the power limit to 80 Watt for now... once its stable and I get good temps, I can always test how I can up that. Also, since I installed Zotac's GTX 1080 TI, CPU temps were already less outrageous, so Intel's crummy GPU does seem to produce a fair bit of extra heat when you use it...

Thanks, yeah, I did check for Bios updates when I had the issues with the 65Watt TDP passive case... But ASRock seems to have delivered this board with the latest BIOS. Its alright, I might actually get an AIO for it and mount it outside of the case once I get where this system is going, after the flight... As it is, I'm pretty far from the zero noise DAW computer I was intending to build With that case, the entire case was the heat sink and needed no fans whatever - just not with this CPU, cause I increasingly believe Intel's 65Watt TDP is a pipe dream... kinda like their 10nm process

Thanks, great details to know! The cooler is rated for max 95 Watt TDP, so you'd expect it to do pretty well with a supposed 65Watt TDP CPU. I didn't expect it to be quiet, but I did expected to keep it south of 80 without really running a load. This cooler would be only slightly stronger than the old copper based Intel coolers. But its way better than Intel's current generation aluminum coolers. Using Google, I found reports of problems with this CPU all over the place - this chip's 65Watt TDP rating might just be wishful thinking on Intel's part. Hence my thinking about slowing it down if I can, and you've just told me how Mounting pressure is an interesting thought. The screws are as tight as they can be, before you break something. But their springy mounting components could be weak. At the same time, this cooler wouldn't test well if it didn't produce enough pressure to connect. Good for you, but I did mention that I have not enough room to fit one. The whole point for me is, that I should be able to cool a 65Watt TDP rated part with a 95W TDP rated cooler. Sure, an AIO will be less noisy and cooler. But this has to fit in a carry-on without tripping the 7KG mark.

Fair enough... But before I got into computers in the 1990s, I was repairing car engines, where you have to be very precise how far and in what order you tighten your screws, making sure seals are sitting precisely and various other more complicated things than fitting a CPU cooler. So I have never had that problem of this type in 28 Years and literally hundreds of systems - and this is already my second set-up of this system - the support guy from the case manufacturer asked if the case got warm at all - I said, yes, the entire case with all its massive cooling fins gets piping hot... The cooler in the new system gets very hot as well. I use the old rule of putting a pea sized drop of thermal transfer compound in the center of the CPU - then setting the cooler making sure it comes down flat and even. And the screws are as tight as you can reasonably make them.

I have neither used this CPU nor the cooler before, because I normally don't get 65Watt TDP CPUs. But on the SFF forum, there are ample comparisons - and people actually use this cooler on the i7-8700K version. Over there, this is - by apparent general consensus - (and they do test things) - the best cooling solution when your cooler can't be taller than 50mm. So I have a cooler that *should* do the job, especially with the case completely open and no potential airflow blockages. And I know its set correctly and I'm using Noctua's NT-H1 thermal compound, which may not be liquid metal, but is well regarded and has always done the job for my non-over-clocking builds.

So, I've been building computers since 1990 - professionally in the early days, before I moved on to more interesting jobs - I still know how to get a good contact with the CPU cooler, and in all the systems I've built, I never had a CPU going to 100 C, when its not really doing much. Not even one of Windows more annoying services spiking CPU load massively has ever caused me a problem in 28 Years. I've never gotten a system back from a customer because of overheating, its been a non-issue. I don't even want to know what will happen when I run a real load on it, like a synthetic benchmark, it'll probably leave a crater Details: - Non-K Intel i7-8700 with a Thermolabs LP53 cooler and a Noctua A9x14 PWM fan - obviously no intention of over-clocking this - I got it because of its rated 65Watt TDP. - 600W Gold rated Corsair SFX PSU, 32GB Corsair DDR4-3200 RAM, 1TB Sandisk NVME M.2. - ASRock Z370 Fatal1ty - even without overclocking, I prefer the higher quality, cool and stable running components used on boards designed for over-clocking. - GPU not yet installed - gotta get the CPU under control first. (Or maybe CPU will run cooler if it doesn't have to render?) - I had first built this into an HDPLEX 65W TDP (max 95W) rated passive case, where it exhibited the same issue, which at the time, I blamed on the case and proceeded to switch to the current case. - Just having the system on and sitting in the Bios screen, CPU temps are 49 C and main board temp is ~38 C - This is my first time using an ASRock board - used to be a Micron customer for main-boards and when they stopped, switched to ASUS. But ASUS Z370 ROG Mini-ITX board didn't have Thunderbolt, so I got ASRock this time. Questions: - Reading on the internet, I find there's a lot of people having issues with this processor - has anyone been able to get it to throttle before it reaches the boiling temperature of water? - Is there a way to set the main board to slow it down, under-volt it? - Is it possible to disable ASRock's ability to have multiple cores run at full boost (a capability I wasn't aware of, and I don't know if that's the default) - I can't install a bigger cooler and I can't install an AIO either, there's no room, and at any rate, it seems to be a problem with the CPU not throttling itself...?

My problem with Windows 10 are neither the looks, nor the telemetry. The real problems for me are: - Forced updates - Settings roulette after every update. - Automatic software removal without prompt, if the windows updater logic thinks the software *might* be incompatible with the new version of Windows. I read this topic with great interest, but I find that it concerns itself with telemetry, visuals and relatively minor (to me) functional differences. Sure, some of that would be good to get rid off or change. But what makes Windows 10 completely untenable to me does not seem to be solved. Here's how those problems actually work out: - You laboriously disabled Windows Wake Timers, so windows won't start up the computer in the middle of the night just to look for stupid updates. After some update further down the line, all the wake timers have been enabled again. 3 Hours of my life I can't get back. - You tell windows never to update or reboot without prompting you and you set it so it won't do it by some count-down timer elapsing either. A few updates later, Microsoft reset it, so while you made coffee in the kitchen, your computer is now on an update cycle, that the onscreen message describes with "This may take some time, please do not turn off the computer" This naturally, while I'm on a deadline - Another time, I need to write a letter, only to find, that Microsoft Office has evaporated! I can't find it anywhere. There was no notification, it was simply removed. I try to re-install it and get a notification that my key was only good for one installation... What? This actually happened before once on an older machine of mine, where I couldn't do a second installation - Note the difference - we're not talking about a pirated copy, but a legal piece of software, that you can't re-install in case you have removed it or your drive died or whatever. My entire DAW Software system - which takes a full day to install - got removed by Windows Update! No prompt. No "is this ok we remove that or should we abort the update?" I don't have windows to have windows - I have it to run the software of my choice. If there's ever a question between keeping my software functional vs updating windows, it'll be my software I keep. Windows should be an obsequious butler on MY computer, not try to be the master. This is what's wrong and probably will never be righted. All the security threats are probably put in the wild just so our corporate overlords can wrest control over our machines from us. Breaking and Entering, Computer Hacking - who at Microshaft gets the prison time?