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  1. I agree with you completely that Nvidia probably plans to sell the 20 and 10 series alongside each other, but I think there will be a price drop if (and this is a big IF) supply holds (ie. enough cards are supplied to meet demand just slightly above the recommended pricing), which is not what happened with the 10 series because minning inflated demand, but hey, thats gone down a bit. I mean look at each card independently: RTX 2080 Ti: It has more Cuda Cores and produces more Teraflops than the frikin Titan Xp (which is being sold at 1350 Dollars on Amazon) + it of course has ray tracing and tensor cores and could be available for 1100-1300. The Titan Xp will have to go down in price to compete. RTX 2080: Again this has the new architecture + just slightly less Cuda Cores and Teraflops than the 1080Ti (we can guesstimate that its performance will probably at least meat the 1080Ti). The Rtx 2080 was available for preorder at 800, but if supply holds, it has an MSRP beginning from 600, so the 1080Ti will have to be brought down to say 550 to compete.
  2. They will probably go down more but how much depends on the benchmarks of the new 20 series and how well they sell and how well Nividea and its partners can meet demand. But what you can know for sure is that used 1080 cards will go down in price significantly (people will sell their cards to get the latest ones). But say for example that 2070s are available at 550-600 Euros and their performance equals or exceeds the 1080 (plus they are capable of DLSS and Ray Tracing), then the 1080s will have to be dropped to probably below 500 so retailers can continue to offload their stock. So truthfully no one knows the answer to your question, but I would recommend waiting, as it is more likely than not that prices will go down further. And I would actually wait more than a couple of weeks (maybe a couple of months) because initial GPU offerings by Nividea might run out quickly (so the 20 series cards won't be available) and they will thus have limited effect on 10 series prices initially.
  3. I wouldn't be surprised if this was true because the rtx 2080 (despite having a better newer architecture) has less Cuda Cores than the 1080Ti and produces less Teraflops . But if it is true then this 2080 in the benchmark overclocked, as the it says 2000 Mhz and not the founders stock 1800 Mhz, which actually means normal 2080s will be even less impressive. That said, benchmarks should not be the only things people look at with these new cards. The RTX series has two new types of Cores (Tensor and Ray Tracing) which bring added benefits. For example (and we have to wait to see how this performs in action) but potentially Tensor Cores can be used (on games that support this) to do the Anti-Aliasing which would decrease the load on the Cuda Cores and lead to higher frame rates. Now me personally, I always Turn on AA, so the benchmarks a this will be a significant benefit that could improve performance 20% or more. Then we have Deep Learning Super Sampling that is also still untested but super promising in that it basically upsamples content not in post-processing (as 4k TVs do) but in actual processing using Neural Networks that are fed Hi-Rez images of the game by Nividea till they learn to upres properly. But I presume most people that buy a 2080 will want to play in normal 4k mode instead of DLSS but its still a cool feature for future proofing and for 144hz gaming (for those lucky enough to have a 4k 144Hz monitor).
  4. I got a MacBook pro before their official release dates in dubai (because I was just visiting and couldn't wait for release date), so retailers generally have items at least a weak and sometimes more b4 release. That said this looks like a mistake, but it might be a clerical mistake that actually leads to u receiving the card b4 anyone else. But that said, Nividea would not be too happy about this.
  5. Not a good deal. Wait for Prices of the 1080Ti to go down. By the way, the 2070 will be significantly slower than the 1080Ti unless you use the Tensor Cores for Deep Learning Super Sampling (basically an advanced form of upscaling that sounds promising). Just look at the number of Cuda Cores and Teraflops, the 2070 will not in any way compete in normal gaming performance (without Ray tracing or DLSS) with the 1080Ti, but the 2080 on the other hand has just slightly less Cuda Cores and Teraflops than the 1080Ti and can probably leverage the new architecture to be around as powerful (or 10% more) than the 1080Ti.
  6. If the supply of the 20 series holds (there is no big shortage) the price will inevitably go down, especially in the used market, as people go sell their 1080s to buy the new series. (I'll probably be one of those people depending on the benchmarks) Prices in the new market should also drop eventually because of reduced demand. But there it is possible that supplies don't last for the new series and the 20 series sky rocket in prices, until supply can meet demand, and in that case the price drop will be postponed.
  7. I'd wait, but for a different reason. The 2070 is obviously going to be more powerful than the 1070 but not by as much as people think for normal gaming performance (probably). It has 7.5 Teraflops as opposed to 6.5 (only 380 more Cuda Cores), and supposedly those Cores will be better performing, but if I was to guess I'd say without a 20-35% improvement over 1070. If you don't care about the new tech (RT, DLSS), then I would just get the 1070 for your needs, but wait for prices to go down as buyers are attracted to the new cards (lowing demand for the old) especially as many will sell their used cards to buy the new ones. More supply for 10 series cards + less demand = lower prices
  8. $850 for the Titan Xp is a steal, just test the card and make sure its not damaged and performs as it should. By the way, make sure its the Titan Xp (2017) and not the Titan X Pascal (2016).
  9. I don't think anybody was saying its a renamed Titan XP, but its definitely is going to be more powerful than the Titan Xp because it has 4352 Cuda Cores as opposed to the Titan Xp which has 3840 only (which produces just 12 Teraflops versus the 13.4 for the 2080Ti). + those Cuda Cores it has are going to preform better and it has Ray Tracing Cores and more importantly Tensor Cores that can do DLSS, or Anti Aliasing (freeing up Cuda Cores). So yes, they could a gotten away with naming it Titan Xt (or something), and Jay is probably right that the reason they didn't is because they don't want to further confuse buyers when they eventually create and market an even more powerful card. Anyways who cares about the name, they could call it "sugar pants" for all I care, it still stands that this is the most powerful gaming card available (the Titan V is actually not optimized for gaming).
  10. Prices for it are through the roof on Amazon though (just checked), so it doesn't make sense actually, unless you find it elsewhere.
  11. I have a Palit Jetstreeam, which is bigger than most 1080s (almost 3 slots!) but its so good at overclocking, I overclocked it to 2100 Mhz without increasing any voltage, so if you can find one, at a decent price, its a good buy.
  12. Your framerates seem a bit low given the games you listed, did you actually overclocking your card? it might spring you a few frames so that your mostly in the 50s. I have a GTX 1080 Palit Jetstreem overclocked to more than 2100 Mhz and it made a big difference. I'm able to play games like Rise of the Tomb Raider, Gears of War 4, Witcher 3 at 50-60 fps at 4k resolution, (I turn only a couple of settings down from ultra to high like reflections but thats it) and other games like Doom and Wolvenstien 2 at a steady 60 (my LG OLED doesn't go beyond 60 at 4k). Anyways, 1080 ti should increase you 30% (you can check the benchmarks) which is really all you need, and it will probably go down in price a bit (especially used) in the upcoming months. The 2080Ti is complete overkill for your uses, unless you want the new tech (DLSS, RT, Tensor core Anti aliasing), while we don't have the benchmarks yet, the damn thing has more Cuda Cores than the Titan Xp and at its speed, more Teraflops. The rtx 2080 on the other hand has less Cuda Cores (and consequently Teraflops) than the 1080Ti, but significantly more than the gtx 1080, its performance will probably be just a tad bit better than the 1080 Ti because of better cores and the use of tensor cores for AA instead of having the coda cores do the AA (but much more expensive of course). Honestly I don't think for your uses you will need more than rtx 2080 or gtx 1080Ti.
  13. by the way IF all the IFs occur the market for new 1080Ti s should also see a decrease in price because of reduced demand from consumers (again basic supply and demand). But actually you could probably get a much better deal if its used, especially if you only want it for a few years (you will need to take precautions to 1) be safe 2) stress test the card's benchmarks and fan speed and look closely for any physical damage. The main risk is getting a mining card, but if the card performs flawlessly it will in all probability be good for a few years even if it was used in mining.
  14. We don't have Crystal Balls, but we can assume in all likelihood prices for used 1080Ti will go down because a bunch of people will try to sell their old cards to buy the latest 2080Ti and basic laws of supply and demand tell us that if you increase supply of a good (all else equal) that will decrease price of said good. As to how much it will decrease there are too many unknown variables, for example IF the RTX 2080 will perform better than 1080Ti s and IF the RX series will be readily available (no supply shortage) near the recommended price point and IF reviewers and consumers are impressed with the new tech (DLSS, AA with tensor cores, and RT). Notice that is a lot of IFs and IF they occur then yes prices could decrease by very sizable amounts in the used market. So ...we wait and see.
  15. No One knows the answer to which card with so little info....but we can still make a good educated guess. The 1080Ti has produces slightly more TeraFlops because it has more Cuda Cores (and TeraFlops are calculated based on core speed and Cuda Core count). But if we believe Nividia the Cuda Cores of the new architecture are better (because they can make both Integral and Floating Point calculations at the same time). So while we have to wait for benchmarks, we can assume that probably normal Frame Rate performance is going to be very similar between the cards (all things equal without using RT or T Cores). Further supporting this hypothesis is the fact that Nividea didn't reveal performance at their conference, which is probably because they don't want t say that a year and a half latter they are releasing a card at the same price point of the 1080Ti (original realease) with similar performance. Further supporting this hypothesis is the benchmarks (if we can call them that!) which Nividea released compare the 1080 and 2080 and they show a 25-50% increase in without the DLSS. We can assume that Nividea hand picked the best group of games to make their case, so we can expect something closer to 25-35% increase in performance over the 1080, ie. close to the performance of the 1080Ti. So....all this is to say they are probably close in normal performance and the 1080Ti and the latter are cheaper and you can probably get good deals on used versions of them. BUT, then there is the fact that new architecture has Tensor and Ray Tracing Cores. While the latter Cores are not very convincing in their usage yet because of the dip in performance, Tensor Cores can and will improve performance though one of two processes: 1) They can handle Anti Aliasing if the game supports this (and supposedly do a better job that the best current AA tech) and this will free up more Cuda Cores leading to higher Frame rates 2) They can used for Deep Learning Super Sampling (DLSS) which basically seems like upscaling that has the potential to be good (it sounds very cool and innovative with "neural networks", Deep Learning, and a supercomputer being fed super Hi Res images of games to figure out how to properly upscale). So where does that leave us? If they were at similar prices, I'd say get the 2080 (but still wait for the reviews b4 u do so), but they do not have similar prices because many people will sell their 1080 Ti (and an increase in supply will lead to lower price in the used card market). Also ask yourself what you want and how long you intend to have this said card (the new cards could be more future proof especially because of DLSSS). Do you care about the new tech? personally I do even knowing there is an element of risk with the new cards in that we don't know how the new types of cores can be used and to what extent. Obviously no one is going to make AAA games with RT and T cores in mind, but as they optimize their games developers might learn new tricks to make use of these cores (increasing either performance or quality in their games). (sorry for the long post)
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