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  1. Best productivity keyboard right here. I am using it actively as my main keyboard, love it. Space is a bit stiff, but I can get used to that because of how amazing it is otherwise.

     

    Image result for TG3 keyboard with trackpad

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    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      @DrMacintosh Honestly the only thing I can't type on is MX Red's, other than that I agree.

    3. DrMacintosh

      DrMacintosh

      I might have lied. A Monster Energy Drink improves my wpm by about 10 words. 

    4. SenKa

      SenKa

      @DrMacintosh I'm consistent around 80-90 WPM, no matter what

  2. Quote

    Sooo, I have been a very happy iPhone 11 Pro Max user as of late. The extra battery life over my XS Max is fantastic and I have LOVED comfortably making it through the day no matter how hard I hit the GPS chip and Bluetooth modems. My XS Max was also microscratched to **** and back because I did not use a screen protector. I wasn't even planning on upgrading to the 11 Pro Max, but between the massive improvements in efficiency allotted by the A13 mixed with "The worlds strongest glass on an iPhone," how could I say no?

     

    Well... turns out that's a half truth.

     

    The iPhone 11 Pro Max Glass is "the worlds most shatter resistant glass on an iPhone." Honestly I should have seen this coming as the only way to make a rigid, fragile material stronger is to make it softer, but such is life.

    Noticed gouges on my 11 Pro Max display, just as Linus noted in his review... Sigh. Full writeup on the Apple forums: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250829831

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    2. dizmo

      dizmo

      There's a company that makes sapphire screen protectors. Might be worth the investment.

    3. Ryan_Vickers

      Ryan_Vickers

      Or even just proper hardness 6 glass ones.  But yeah, so long as it's real sapphire and not the diluted crap Apple's tried to pass off in the past that also scratches at a level 6, that could be a nice improvement.

    4. dizmo

      dizmo

      It is. It actually looks super impressive, watched a review a fellow did on it. Wish they made it for more phones, but of course iPhones are the biggest market.

      They took the equipment from the failed sapphire company (GT something?) and tweaked the design.

  3. I have a PC again! Feels amazing.

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    2. DrMacintosh
    3. FIXXX

      FIXXX

      Alan Greenspans?

    4. SenKa

      SenKa

      @FIXXX @DrMacintosh @Schnoz

       

      i5-8600k

      Gigabyte Z390 I Aorus Pro Wifi

      32GB GSkill Trident RGB 3000MHz

      Gigabyte Windforce OC GTX 670 (ignore this, it's a temporary GPU. I was waiting for Navi and my RX 580 died)

      Corsair HX1000i 1Kw Fully Modular PSU (Overkill? Yes. But it was the cheapest fully modular PSU above 750w with good efficiency.)

       

      Also gonna ping @DrMacintoshRetard because I came across the name and it's kind of funny.

  4. How big are airpods compared to Apples wired earbuds that come with new iPhones?

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    2. Gegger

      Gegger

      it was literally just a case

      it's still on our porch with a sign on it that says "If this Airpods case is yours, it's right here"

    3. SenKa

      SenKa

      @Schnoz @Gegger Thank you both!

    4. Pascal...

      Pascal...

      You mean Toothbrush heads ?

  5. The Apple Magic Mouse is good, fight me

     

    I have the 1st gen, which runs off batteries. The Magic Mouse 2 is dumb cause charge port on the bottom

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    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      *dies*

       

      *Another me walks around the corner and drags the corpse away*

       

      How many times does this need to happen? Don't people read anymore? @Schnoz

    3. Schnoz

      Schnoz

      Seriously though, the 1st gen had below-average battery life and why the actual fuck would Fruit Company put the charging port on the bottom of the mouse?! People want to use their Eye Macks, you know! 

    4. SenKa

      SenKa

      I actually haven't noticed poor battery life on mine, Buy good AA batteries! @Schnoz

  6. Which is it? nVidia, Nvidia, or NVidia? ?

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    2. minibois

      minibois

      Um. Novideo?

    3. Nocte

      Nocte

      @Minibois do I smell ayymd in the air?

    4. minibois

      minibois

      @Nocte I am under no moral nor legal obligation to confirm or deny your accusations 

      BWCBSm3.jpg

  7. Just had my first SATA cable failure in ages, scared me something different because its on my archive drive :/

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    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      @NZgamer This *is* my backup solution, but it is nowhere near as robust as i'm comfortable with. Just a single drive.

       

      Dream would be 4 8TB drives, 2 of which are parity, but I am holding off since WD seems to be slipping out some SMR drives out of late and I want to make SURE I dont get stuck with those.

    3. Pascal...

      Pascal...

      @SenKa It's only SMR on the "low end" 1 to 4 TB drives but not on 8 to 16TB ones:

      https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/141655-seagate-wd-quietly-introduce-smr-drives-says-report/

    4. SenKa

      SenKa

      @Pascal... I thought I had read that WD had slipped some SMR 8TB drives in to their Red family. I was wrong.

      Quote

       

      Seagate reached out to TechSpot and clarified that it does not market SMR-based hard drives as NAS drives. "Seagate confirms that we do not utilize Shingled Magnetic Recording technology (SMR) in any IronWolf or IronWolf Pro drives." The company's Barracuda 8TB (ST8000DM004) and 5TB Desktop (ST500DM000) were previously called out for using SMR without specifying the tech, however, the drives are not aimed at NAS consumers and should be treated as such.

      Similarly, Toshiba's P300 4TB (HDWD240UZSVA) and 6TB (HDWD260UZSVA) desktop drives aren't directly aimed at the NAS market but they also use SMR without specifying it. In its documentation for the P300, the company says that the drive "delivers high performance for professionals," so buyers should know what they're getting before making a purchase.

      This leaves Western Digital, which notes that its 2TB-6TB Red drives, aimed at NAS consumers, have device-managed SMR (DMSMR), while remaining models in the 8TB-14TB capacities use CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording).

       

       

  8. Hey guys, do me a solid and check out SenKa's Shop for me! This is my only source of income, and I really do appreciate all traffic my way!

     

     

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    3. SenKa

      SenKa

      Thank you @VegetableStu. I'll fix the images ASAP

    4. SenKa

      SenKa

      Post has been taken down due to an oversight I made while working on it. Fixing this now.

  9. Ya boy got a 32" 1440P 144HZ HDR Curved monitor for christmas. Its a big boi and I love it

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    2. dizmo

      dizmo

      Ohhhh nice! I was looking at the LG versions of that monitor for a while.
      However I've pushed back my rig update for 5 or 6 months. So I'll just go straight to the 32:9 1440p.

    3. SenKa

      SenKa

      @dizmo Came from 32:9 1080p, gave it up because twitch streaming with ultrawides is buggy as all hell and does not work

    4. dizmo

      dizmo

      Ahh, not a problem I have ;)
      You could still play at 21:9 resolutions if you so desired, yes?

  10. Does anybody know of a 7Pin Sata (Data only) to USB 3.1 Gen 2 adapter? Working on a project and slightly worried that USB 3.0 may bottleneck 5 Sata DVD drives...

     

    Here is the USB 3.0 version of what I am looking for...

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    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      Well, I thank you for dispelling my concern!

       

      I am doing what I am doing how I am doing it because I actually use 5 DVD drives on a fairly regular basis, and require Blu Ray capabilities. I already owned everything but 2 components, one of which I have already ordered. With the duty cycle I require out of them, a cheap portable one like you listed will die, and I know this because I have already killed two!

       

      Now, to buy 5 external 5 1/4" enclosures even without drives will cost far more than my solution, which all in is $45 excluding the drives I already owned, not to mention the benefits of one large external box such as needing only 1 USB port and 1 power source, as opposed to 5 of each.

       

      Once again, thank you for dispelling my concerns as to data bottle-necking! @mariushm

    3. mariushm

      mariushm

      For this project, can you actually open the insides of the PC, or do you want USB because that's the only option?

       

      The reason I ask is because you could actually get a pci-e x1 riser card which uses a USB cable to make the connection between the pci-e x1 slot and the other board which has a pci-e x16 slot (electrically x1).

       

      Here's some examples :

       

      4.4$ each : https://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-PCI-E-Express-x1-To-x16-Extender-Riser-Cards-Adapter-Power-Cable-Minings/254289716793

      4.5$ each (pci-e 6pin + sata->pci-e 6pin adapter for power) : https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pci-E-Riser-Pci-E-Express-1X-To-16X-Riser-Card-Usb-3-0-Pci-E-Sata-To-6Pin-P-X1G1/183879573704

       

      5$ each (only sata for power) : https://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-E-Express-1x-To-16x-GPU-Extender-Riser-Card-Adapter-Power-Cable-Extend-x1/143151293432

       

      Here's the one in first link

      image.png.3e367362dfef9c3a4f2a2520087bd3e7.png

       

       

       

      You plug the small board in any pci-e slot (can be x1 or higher) and connect the x16 board to it using the USB cable. You only need 12v to the pci-e x16 board, either through a molex connector or you can solder directly in the holes near the molex (footprint is for pci-e 6 pin connector which is 3 pins for 12v, 4 pins for ground, you can use a multimeter if you can't figure it out from the traces)

      The USB cable is a bit short (can't be too long because of signal integrity) but if you use a pci-e 2.0 x1 slot (from chipset for example), then you'll probably be able to use a longer QUALITY USB cable.

      Next, you could buy one of these for 38$ : https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Dell-PERC-H200-6Gb-PCI-e-SAS-SATA-8-Port-Raid-Controller-From-US-Ship/

      It's a 8 port SATA controller ... it's pci-e x4 but can run in pci-e x1 mode after all a pci-e x1 can do 500 MB/s for the pci-e 2.0 , or 1 GB/s for pci-e 3.0... so not really needed to have 4 lanes.

       

      image.png.de13710dcc8d6291eddb85c6cbfe372e.png

       

      This one may also work, LSI SAS 9210-8i for 29$ : https://www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-SAS-9210-8i-8-port-6Gb-s-PCIe-x8-HBA-RAID-SATA-Controller-card-M1015-9211-8I/142676059703

       

      You'll also need a couple of these cables, which convert a SFF-8087 to 4 x SATA : https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-SAS-SFF-8087-to-4-SATA-Multi-Lane-Forward-Breakout-Internal-Cable-Brand-New/173837003847

       

      image.thumb.png.da4f960e581fb903dec105249962d09d.png

       

       

      So basically,  5$ for the riser, 40$ for sata controller, 2 x 8 $ for the cables - you have 8 sata ports for the price of four of those usb-sata adapters

      Making a tiny plastic/cardboard/metal case to hold the pci-e card outside the system should be easy. You can remove bracket and plug it into the pci-e x16 slot and just use a couple bits of plastic or some insulator so the card won't touch the sides of your "case"

       

      And you get 100% speed, practically no latency, no cpu usage due to usb - sata conversions, no compatibility issues if the adapter doesn't support some commands.

       

      Another option : 25$ for 4 SATA 6gbps ports on a pci-e x1 card , so you won't need to buy SFF-8087->4xSATA cables : https://www.newegg.com/riitop-pcets3-9215-sata-iii/p/14G-001D-00006

       

      Or a very compact no-name 4 port SATA card for 13$ : https://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-E-PCI-Express-1x-To-4-Port-Sata-3-0-III-6G-Converter-Adapter-Controller-Card/312215357227

       

       

      image.png.185374e521c8fcf2186bd9cfba50842a.png

       

       

      This one's 8 SATA ports for 55$ :

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/PCIe-PCI-Express-to-6G-SATA3-0-8-Port-SATA3-Expansion-Controller-Card-Adapter-RH/133094813093

       

       

       

    4. SenKa

      SenKa

      I actually did think about that, but I like the idea of having the ODD's external, in their own box, connected via USB. The reasons I prefer this are twofold. One, I can continue to use this until the drives or controller I have ordered die, as the USB standard will not be going away in the near future., and two, so I can have some freedom of placement. I would also need a new case to occupy the 5 drives, as my case does not have 5 optical drive bays.

       

      What you have recommended is very similar to what I ended up with, actually.

  11. im getting sucked back in to musicals again for like the 4th time, send help

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    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      @Bloudy_Parrot Best mistake I’ve ever made is get in to musicals ❤️

    3. Bloudy_Parrot

      Bloudy_Parrot

      😁I can see what you mean , greek movies have a  dancing every tow minutes and even i am bored of them i still watch them and every time i spend 2 HOURS if my life watching something for the 5th time !!!!😆

    4. Bloudy_Parrot

      Bloudy_Parrot

      The ONLY and i mean ONLY way to forget about them is.................

      THISS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      good luck my friend good luck.

  12. Just got a brand new Hyper 212 for $5, not bad! I love goodwill ❤️

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    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      @Dan CastellanetaOh I see many good things from this goodwill. Semi-current laptops, very not-current laptops, desktops of about every vintage from Intel 8088 and even earlier up to 8th gen Intel.

    3. ARikozuM

      ARikozuM

      Bruh, my Goodwill had a desktop from the times you popped CPUs in like SNES carts! Like WHAT!

    4. SenKa

      SenKa

      @ARikozuM The goodwill I live by is the premier flagship tech connect on the east coast US, from what I've been told. Pretty lucky and ironic considering its in the middle of nowhere in mid-west Florida.

       

      iMac G3 Ruby Red sat on one table, i3-8100 Prebuilt on another, TRS-80 Model 1 sold the weak prior. I love it.

  13. Ordered a bunch chargers and cables for my new iPhone.

     

    Every single charger came DOA, they were chinese crap.

     

    Oof.

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    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      Ordered the genuine iPad bricks, which I should have done at first.

    3. DrMacintosh

      DrMacintosh

      What iPhone did you get? But yeah, as for charging bricks, I only recommend buying the 10/12W iPad Chargers and reputable 18W quick chargers. As for cables, the Amazon Basics line is poorly built but is MFi certified which is the most important thing. Cable matters is also a good company to buy cables from. 

       

      Don't spend $700+ on an iPhone or $1,000+ on a Mac and cheap out on the thing that makes the computer work, power!

    4. SenKa

      SenKa

      iPhone XS Max. I bought the 12W iPad charger, and the Amazon Basics cables.

       

      Hype for my new iPhone, being delivered tomorrow!

  14. Was just about to take logitech off my good brand list at the top of my signature, only to realize i forgot to put them there in the first place. Anyways, I will not be buying from them again.

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    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      @Eschew Lied to my face about fixing the double click issues that plague the G903, GPW, and other mice. Failed to honor warranty.

       

      Their products are great (the double click issue is Omiron's issue, not logi's directly), but once i get blatantly lied to TWICE in the span of 5 minutes on a phone call after waiting a half hour for the pleasure of aforementioned lying I just can't give that company any more of my business.

       

      Razer has treated me very well thus far, they are my current recommendation for peripherals (save for headsets, I have not used Razer's headsets at all and can't speak to them). If you like the G903 but want a mouse that will last more than 7 months of use (how long my SECOND G903 lasted. The one i have now), buy a Viper Ultimate. The way it handles charging is much more elegant than logi, the dongle can go in the mouse for travel, the sensor is of equal or better quality, the wireless latency is even lower than the G903/GPW (effectively identical to wired in every measurable way), AND the switches are optical and thus shouldn't trigger accidentally.

       

      NOTE: I am a claw gripper, with 19x11cm hands. YMMV with comfort.

    3. Eschew

      Eschew

      Whoa. Sorry to hear you had to deal with crap customer service.

      Thanks for replying, I appreciate the info! I hope the rest of your day/evening/night goes better. ?

    4. Pascal...

      Pascal...

      Nontheless I will be using their products for ever. Their MX Master Mouse series is the best Mouse ever, imho. 

  15. What colour iPhone 11 Pro Max should I get? I'm probably getting a DBrand skin regardless, so it's all about the color of the stainless steel. Not getting gold, but stuck between Space Grey, Midnight Green, and Silver.

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    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      That was how I felt as well, stopped in to the apple store with my trade in phones only to realize one of the screens were cracked. That's fixed now though.

       

      I may very well go green, im glad somebody else agrees on how good it looks! @Den-Fi

    3. Den-Fi

      Den-Fi

      I ordered mine in gray before I had a chance to see the green. Still waiting for it actually... they've tried to deliver it for over a week now and keep sending it to the wrong hub... sigh. I got hopeful since it said out for delivery this morning, but my normal UPS driver didn't have it.

       

      Ugh.

    4. Tech_Dreamer

      Tech_Dreamer

      it will depend on your dbrand skin design you're choosing for it imo. for regular use, i  like the space grey for some reason, fits in with the camera lens design in a cool way.

  16. When you tell Windows specifically not to reboot, and it reboots, losing ~2TB of data transfer and corrupting all files on the recipient drive.

     

    Meaning you need to reformat the drive, and transfer the 3TB of files that take over 24 hours to transfer again.

     

    M$ is really lucky I keep a backup of my backup...

    1. mariushm

      mariushm

      Shouldn't have to, and shouldn't corrupt... ntfs has journaling and transactions

      As for data run a checkdisk on partition.

      if you have access to system with original data you could also make a torrent of your original data and then load torrent on destination pc and  choose to save file where you downloaded before.

      The torrent client will hash check every file and download only the missing or corrupted segments. Or at very least it will tell you which files have errors and you can delete those and then use ftp to get those files only.

       

    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      Not formatted NTFS. I made my backup of my backup on macOS, and Apple in their infinite wisdom does not allow writing to NTFS devices. I swear you used to be able to...

    3. Schnoz

      Schnoz

      If you boogle up how to stahp binbows updates, if you do some group policy editing and a bit of registry fuckery you can stop this.

  17. My mate had a Cyberpower prebuilt blow up on him, cheap PSU took out the motherboard. RIP.

     

    Prebuilts are fine, but cheap ones often cut in dangerous places to keep margins high.

    1. amdorintel

      amdorintel

      many factors would come into play

      how stable was the power coming out of the wall

      any lightning strikes

      were all fasteners tight

      but yeah dont cheap out

    2. Schnoz

      Schnoz

      @SenKa Take a look at Gamer Nexus's reviews of cheap-ass Overpowered PCs. He ordered a 2080 Ti and got a 2070. Also they used a SINGLE stick of DDR4.

    3. SenKa

      SenKa

      @Schnoz The shame is the rest looked fairly good!

       

      H170 board, i7-6700, 16GB DDR4 dual channel.

       

      Bad parts were the PSU and cooler, which was a slim intel stock cooler like you'd get from an i3.

  18. Why did reverse blowers ever exist??? Look at this card! It blows hot air back over the power delivery!

     

    Image result for 9800GT XR8

    1. Schnoz

      Schnoz

      What do you mean by reverse-blowing? Is it just because it sucks air away from the I/O shield or because air flows from the power delivery, out the fan? 

       

      my 4 iq points are confused xD

    2. Mira Yurizaki

      Mira Yurizaki

      Because it's the only open spot before people decided two-slots were acceptable.

    3. Schnoz

      Schnoz

      That mudderfukcer can spit out up to 125 watts of heat depending on the model. I don't even know how you can put that into a single-slot cooler.

  19. r/murderedbywords is a literal cesspool of toxic western liberalism. That is all

    1. Tech_Dreamer

      Tech_Dreamer

      there are some utter 3rd degree burn replies to some lefties god politicians . But you wont be seeing those things over there. almost, just almost as if they are controlling the narrative.

    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      @Tech_Dreamer But orange man bad is peak comedy, didnt ya know?

    3. Tech_Dreamer

      Tech_Dreamer

      oh yeah , i've been through the concentrated dose, i'm pretty much immune to dem shit rn.

  20. Public was not always italicized on this page. Anyways, on to important business. 

     

    Yeet.

    1. ARikozuM
    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      Why is that more cursed than it should be

    3. ARikozuM

      ARikozuM

      It's from a cancelled Nickelodeon program? 

      @handymanshandle should be talking about it?

       

  21. Latitude E4200 is very usable on Windows 10 once you de-crapify it. It really is amazing how much a de-crapification does.

    1. Pascal...

      Pascal...

      Why are you on Windows anyways if I may ask ? Don't you want to move over to Linux someday ?

    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      @Pascal... I do, but it had Windows installed and I didn't feel like installing linux to be testing an unknown laptop.

       

      There is 1GB of soldered RAM on this laptop, and it is bad. No BSOD, but lots of screen corruption at random. I paid nothing for it, so a free MSATA SSD is nice.

    3. Pascal...

      Pascal...

      @SenKa Ah ok, I thought it was your personal laptop for a moment there. 

  22. The 'OK' symbol, ? is now considered a hate symbol by the ADL.

     

    Fucking rip deaf people. ASL uses the same gesture for 'ok'.

    1. Origami Cactus

      Origami Cactus

      Quote

      Fucking rip deaf people. ASL uses the same gesture for 'ok'.

      What do you mean? Normal people use that for ok. Everyone does.

      So rip everyone?

    2. Den-Fi

      Den-Fi

      No one:

      Me using ? in 2019:

      image.png.d2d790bc831235e28c91eaed21f4fdb0.png

    3. lewdicrous

      lewdicrous

      Did they already add milk or is that next?

  23.  I actually like the older brick iPhones (4-SE) a bit more than the glass sandwich ones. They feel very solid, it's a shame the screens are so small.

     

    I've ordered an otterbox defender for my XS Max, hoping i can have a similar experience of solid brick-ness. If they made a larger brick iPhone I would buy it in 2 seconds flat.

    1. Schnoz

      Schnoz

      Actually, I feel the same way. Besides the antenna issue, older iPhones don't seem to have as many issues as the new ones, and they're just more huggable. Kinda like how my Pentium 4 EE rig can't do much, but I still love it for reasons.

    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      I still use the 5s as a secondary device, probably going to load talkatone on it so I can have a business phone number to give out for repair customers. I haven't noticed antenna issues, but I also don't have the phone on any sort of cell plan, only my home WiFi or Hotspot. @Schnoz

    3. SenKa

      SenKa

      Update, did that with Google Voice. Talkatone sucks on iOS @Schnoz

  24. Apparently making disk images is very CPU intensive. Im trying to make a 1TB back up image for my Macbook, its pinning the fans and still hitting 76c lul.

     

    On the upside, I just picked up some really cheap 2TB drives I am going to use as first-level backups for all my software n stuff. "Vault" storage is handed by an 8TB WD White.

     

    Everything is set up to be as painless as possible should a drive croak. Everything on the 4TB array (JBOD) is on the 8TB. Should the JBOD fail I'm out nothing, should the 8TB fail it is comparatively cheap and simple to pay for data recovery.

     

    I may also pick up some cheap 1TB drives, make a JBOD array, and do burst coin mining for a couple extra bucks a month. I have a source of really cheap drives.

    1. Schnoz

      Schnoz

      Yeah, my dad used to work at WD and we have about a quarter of a petabyte of drives. I didn't know that making isos took so much CPU.

    2. SenKa

      SenKa

      @Schnoz Now bouncing against 81c, seems the cooler has heat soaked. TJ on this chip is 100c, so I'm not worried ?‍♂️

  25. Is there an official case size cutoff for what is and isn't an SFF case?

    1. Eschew

      Eschew

      The next largest case type, the mini-tower, is usually defined as a case that stands 12" - 18" tall. We could probably label cases that are shorter than 12" - 18" as SFFs? I couldn't find an exact size or volume cutoff for SFF cases, however. The general consensus seems to be a wishy-washy, "SFFs are smol."

       

      Spoiler

       

    2. VegetableStu

      VegetableStu

      we've generally accepted intel's definition (surprise! i lost the link to the old pdf though ,_,) of 20L and smaller (20 x 1,000,000 cubic millimeter or 1,000 cubic centimeter), but SFF purists and extreme enthusiasts tend to prefer going lower than 10L

       

      it's less strict for contemporary discussion, but cases that only mount ITX boards would be held to the standard more closely, especially if an ATX motherboard could float in there

       

      there is a separate but somewhat parallel school of thought called Space Efficiency, where a case would have very little empty space when loaded, all while not impeding airflow and thermal performance. SFF cases tend to easily check that aspect, but specific cases above 20L could also be space efficient (e.g.: servers)

       

      either way, if you can't do this to your build for more than 10 minutes, it's unlikely that people would regard it as SFF

      3069376_460s.jpg

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