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Hello @LinusTech, I still have one of these motherboards up and running (see my profile)
 
My specs are 2x X5460 Quad Core chips
4x4GB PC2 6400 FB DIMMs (16GB is officially supported maximum, but because of the nature of the RAM, you could try larger sticks. Watch the ranks.)
250GB Samsung Evo SSD
Corsair RM-750x PSU because it has rock solid components and a second CPU power lead.
 
I was running a GTX 1060 3G for lols but I actually have a couple of 8800 GTS cards (the ones with the big GB's, AFAIK 640MB or w/e) for some period-correct GPU's.
It does run SLI, as in, you can enable it in nVidia drivers (tried with W10, 2x GTX 560 cards) but I've not tested actual performance gains.
 
Some suggestions.
The CPU's that were made for this board have much less cache memory than the later 771 chips. They are not the last generation of 771/775 chips to be produced. I suggest you take the highest spec X54xx chips you can find.
BUT, choose ones with 533Mhz FSB. NOT the 800Mhz FSB ones. All the non-core extreme, normal server Xeons were locked. You cannot change multiplier on these CPU's. The ONLY way to overclock, is upping the FSB for those chips. And that's why you need the 533Mhz FSB CPU's. Because, even though it is mentioned on the web, the RAM bus divider settings have never shown in the BIOS for me. So your FSB and RAM speeds are locked to eachother. With 533Mhz FSB CPU and 800Mhz RAM, you can overclock the CPU to at least 800Mhz FSB providing your CPU's can actually keep up. Mine are running 24/7 stable at 3.6Ghz, at almost stock voltage on hot days, and stock voltage in winter.
Upping Vcore hits deminishing returns very quickly for me, almost right above stock, I still have to figure out why. They are pre-core2duo quadcores so I don't blame them so much.
The CPU's actually can run the desktop, some benchmarks and gaming at 4.0Ghz on stock vcore, but games always randomly crashed after half an hour. I have been troubleshooting this problem and no memtest, cpu benchmark could get the system to crash, other than the Passmark CPU test. It is the only reliable tool to validate stability for me on this platform. It crashes on the CPU test instantly if the system isn't stable and if it doesn't crash, the system is 24/7 stable for me so far.
 
There are, or, there were, full system water cooling kits for this board, the RAM! and the chipsets etc. RAM gets hot on this thing. YOU NEED A FAN FOR THE RAM!!!!
Only 1 of 50 DIMMS of DDR2-533 came close to DDR2-800 speeds in my tests. It did 792Mhz at a whopping 1.92v
You won't notice immediately if your memory overclock didn't go well, untill you check task manager to see that there is huge amounts of memory reserved for system.
Because of it's server/workstation nature, it will allow you to run even if only a small portion of the RAM works on the higher speeds.
 
 
Some stuff you can include on the next video.
- This platform is actually server hardware, including the chipset, but rebranded and modified for consumer usage. The Core Extreme CPU's were in fact, unlocked and relabled Xeons. Server hardware is notorious for taking time to POST. Boot it in the background while you talk about it. Even with an SSD, you will have 50 seconds plus boot time. It is also the reason why the RAM gets so incredibly hot. Servers and workstations normally have active cooled RAM. There is a RAM fan header on the board.
- You can use 4GB PC2-6400 FB DIMM's from an old Mac Pro. Arguably, using error correcting memory was Apples secret to creating such stable hardware back in the day. Not that ECC could ever fix Windows' shortcomings, but it did run a heck of a lot more stable on a Mac than on a PC. Some wise guy said "The best PC is a Mac", now you now why. Hackintosh should run just as stable on this platform as with original Mac hardware.
- This platform is perfect to showcase microstutter. The dual socket, chipset, memory type and memory error correcting, the split north and south bridge, the PCI-e 2.0 to PCI-e 1.0 nVdia splitters, and SLI to top it off, ALL introduce latency.
Throughput, and raw CPU performance do not equal gaming performance because of it. It can do high FPS in some modern games, but the micro-stutter makes it unbearable for longer gaming sessions.
- Racing games are the ones that showcase the raw performance the most. FPS games show this platform's latency achilles heel the best.
- Show the difference between CineBench multi-core and single core scores, and show the single core score of a modern platform that equals it's multicore score.
- Show userbenchmark.com's memory latency ladder comparing it to the modern platforms.
- This platform was created in a time very similar to today actually. Intel felt AMD breathing down their necks. AMD beat them with the first TRUE dual core CPU's (Athlon 64 X2 series) and intel just edged AMD in the race for a true quadcore, with the Q6600. AMD had to respond with a non-true quadcore, the same way Intel had to respond with a non-true Dual core (remember the Pentium D?). Intel was not waiting for AMD to hit them with their true 8-core CPU but threw this Skulltrail platform together by modifying existing server hardware. Unfortunately, the world was not ready for 8-cores just yet and the platform died after a much hyped introduction.
The introduction of the 28-core 5Ghz, chiller cooled Intel CPU reminded me so much of this platform. Again, Intel has grabbed Server parts to show who's boss, or actually, who's not truly prepaired for a showdown with the competition.
 
Pull in Anthony, to showcase how you can add an EFI emulation layer on the BIOS, which enables you to boot Windows off a SATA3 or even PCI-e device. Booting Windows 10 off an Optane drive with this old crap? No problem...
Keep in mind, that using PCI-e 1.0 limits bandwith for a lot of controllers, especially if they don't have a lot of physical lanes connected.
 
The only thing that has succeeded this unicorn, is another unicorn, the EVGA SR2. Much faster, newer, DDR3 and 6-Core platform with the same acchiles heels.
 
LMG is allowed to use all, or any part of this post in their production. Cheers.

Nice work on the site.
But I don't view it as a race...
Also if you include all Linus Cat Tips members, I'm sure LMG has well beyond 10M subs. 

Nice work on the site.
But I don't view it as a race...
Also if you include all Linus Cat Tips members, I'm sure LMG has well beyond 10M subs. 

Nice work on the site.
But I don't view it as a race...
Also if you include all Linus Cat Tips members, I'm sure LMG has well beyond 10M subs. 

Look for bitemybits channel on YT.
He has some interesting cctv vids.
 
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typo

Enter bootmode and empty your caches first.
Try seeing how much free space there is on your device as well. Symptoms you observe are comparable to full storage.

Hello @LinusTech, I still have one of these motherboards up and running (see my profile)
 
My specs are 2x X5460 Quad Core chips
4x4GB PC2 6400 FB DIMMs (16GB is officially supported maximum, but because of the nature of the RAM, you could try larger sticks. Watch the ranks.)
250GB Samsung Evo SSD
Corsair RM-750x PSU because it has rock solid components and a second CPU power lead.
 
I was running a GTX 1060 3G for lols but I actually have a couple of 8800 GTS cards (the ones with the big GB's, AFAIK 640MB or w/e) for some period-correct GPU's.
It does run SLI, as in, you can enable it in nVidia drivers (tried with W10, 2x GTX 560 cards) but I've not tested actual performance gains.
 
Some suggestions.
The CPU's that were made for this board have much less cache memory than the later 771 chips. They are not the last generation of 771/775 chips to be produced. I suggest you take the highest spec X54xx chips you can find.
BUT, choose ones with 533Mhz FSB. NOT the 800Mhz FSB ones. All the non-core extreme, normal server Xeons were locked. You cannot change multiplier on these CPU's. The ONLY way to overclock, is upping the FSB for those chips. And that's why you need the 533Mhz FSB CPU's. Because, even though it is mentioned on the web, the RAM bus divider settings have never shown in the BIOS for me. So your FSB and RAM speeds are locked to eachother. With 533Mhz FSB CPU and 800Mhz RAM, you can overclock the CPU to at least 800Mhz FSB providing your CPU's can actually keep up. Mine are running 24/7 stable at 3.6Ghz, at almost stock voltage on hot days, and stock voltage in winter.
Upping Vcore hits deminishing returns very quickly for me, almost right above stock, I still have to figure out why. They are pre-core2duo quadcores so I don't blame them so much.
The CPU's actually can run the desktop, some benchmarks and gaming at 4.0Ghz on stock vcore, but games always randomly crashed after half an hour. I have been troubleshooting this problem and no memtest, cpu benchmark could get the system to crash, other than the Passmark CPU test. It is the only reliable tool to validate stability for me on this platform. It crashes on the CPU test instantly if the system isn't stable and if it doesn't crash, the system is 24/7 stable for me so far.
 
There are, or, there were, full system water cooling kits for this board, the RAM! and the chipsets etc. RAM gets hot on this thing. YOU NEED A FAN FOR THE RAM!!!!
Only 1 of 50 DIMMS of DDR2-533 came close to DDR2-800 speeds in my tests. It did 792Mhz at a whopping 1.92v
You won't notice immediately if your memory overclock didn't go well, untill you check task manager to see that there is huge amounts of memory reserved for system.
Because of it's server/workstation nature, it will allow you to run even if only a small portion of the RAM works on the higher speeds.
 
 
Some stuff you can include on the next video.
- This platform is actually server hardware, including the chipset, but rebranded and modified for consumer usage. The Core Extreme CPU's were in fact, unlocked and relabled Xeons. Server hardware is notorious for taking time to POST. Boot it in the background while you talk about it. Even with an SSD, you will have 50 seconds plus boot time. It is also the reason why the RAM gets so incredibly hot. Servers and workstations normally have active cooled RAM. There is a RAM fan header on the board.
- You can use 4GB PC2-6400 FB DIMM's from an old Mac Pro. Arguably, using error correcting memory was Apples secret to creating such stable hardware back in the day. Not that ECC could ever fix Windows' shortcomings, but it did run a heck of a lot more stable on a Mac than on a PC. Some wise guy said "The best PC is a Mac", now you now why. Hackintosh should run just as stable on this platform as with original Mac hardware.
- This platform is perfect to showcase microstutter. The dual socket, chipset, memory type and memory error correcting, the split north and south bridge, the PCI-e 2.0 to PCI-e 1.0 nVdia splitters, and SLI to top it off, ALL introduce latency.
Throughput, and raw CPU performance do not equal gaming performance because of it. It can do high FPS in some modern games, but the micro-stutter makes it unbearable for longer gaming sessions.
- Racing games are the ones that showcase the raw performance the most. FPS games show this platform's latency achilles heel the best.
- Show the difference between CineBench multi-core and single core scores, and show the single core score of a modern platform that equals it's multicore score.
- Show userbenchmark.com's memory latency ladder comparing it to the modern platforms.
- This platform was created in a time very similar to today actually. Intel felt AMD breathing down their necks. AMD beat them with the first TRUE dual core CPU's (Athlon 64 X2 series) and intel just edged AMD in the race for a true quadcore, with the Q6600. AMD had to respond with a non-true quadcore, the same way Intel had to respond with a non-true Dual core (remember the Pentium D?). Intel was not waiting for AMD to hit them with their true 8-core CPU but threw this Skulltrail platform together by modifying existing server hardware. Unfortunately, the world was not ready for 8-cores just yet and the platform died after a much hyped introduction.
The introduction of the 28-core 5Ghz, chiller cooled Intel CPU reminded me so much of this platform. Again, Intel has grabbed Server parts to show who's boss, or actually, who's not truly prepaired for a showdown with the competition.
 
Pull in Anthony, to showcase how you can add an EFI emulation layer on the BIOS, which enables you to boot Windows off a SATA3 or even PCI-e device. Booting Windows 10 off an Optane drive with this old crap? No problem...
Keep in mind, that using PCI-e 1.0 limits bandwith for a lot of controllers, especially if they don't have a lot of physical lanes connected.
 
The only thing that has succeeded this unicorn, is another unicorn, the EVGA SR2. Much faster, newer, DDR3 and 6-Core platform with the same acchiles heels.
 
LMG is allowed to use all, or any part of this post in their production. Cheers.

Asking an owner for a recommendation is almost certainly going to get you in a place of cognitive dissonance.
Please look up independant reviews, comparisons even.
If the reviews don't convince you, then try to have a look at them in real life.
Still not convinced, then order both and send the one back you don't like. There's nothing wrong with that.

How can we possibly make a statement on specs you're not sure about?
Just try it if you are not sure. If the computer shuts down mid-game you'll know whats up.
But it'll be difficult to get any power supplies on it's knees with those specs.
I think you are fine. Go for it.

Look, it looks like your PC shows signs of degrading components.
These could be anything from failing power supplies, mainboard capacitors, cooling issues etc.
But as you said, you were unsure about your RAM.
A 36GB configuration is not something strange at all. But if you have doubts about that, it is most certainly a priority to remove any doubt.
 
After you have made sure your RAM isn't throwing errors, it would be advisable to change out the PSU for a spare one if you have anything laying around. If you don't, than measure stability of the supply lines. If you can't do that, than calculate total use. Most power supplies have a life expactancy anything between 5000 to 12000 hours. Look for swollen capacitors on all components, especially PSU, mainboard.
If the PSU checks out, next thing would be to exchange the mainboard for a new one to rule it out.
 
If something has been working fine, and is now not as fine as before, it is signs of wear. The one thing that wears out in computers, sometimes faster then expected, are capacitors. I've seen problems like these before and they almost always are cured after a mainboard/psu swap.
My bet is on PSU/mainboard.

Things to add :
1) RTX Titan needed (Titan XP is too old ;D)
2) NVMe (use those PCI-e slots properly !)
^software like DUET or Clover should be enough to make it bootable on this
[Optane standalone ?]
3) Won't overheating chipset/NV bridges cause throttling ?
4) Driver overhead test : RTX vs. RDNA  (which gets more "necked"/can sqeeze more)
5) 16GB RAM or bust (DO NOT run/test it with again 8GB).
6) Bandwidth and Latency test on RAM (FSB is worse, but by how much)
7) GPU usage on 4k and Ultra settings
8 ) Compatibility with Windows based OC/Tweak programs :
https://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/MemSet.shtml https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/ https://setfsb.en.lo4d.com/windows
PS. Old QVL lists get outdated the moment platform goes on sale (I used 16GB of DDR3 on Rampage Extreme fine*).
*only Double Sided 4GB memory modules are supported.

my main rig runs a motherboard from 2009 and is a dual 1366 socket with two x5679's and its still very useable today so much so that i havent upgraded to something newer yet becuase the cost would be very high to actually exceed the machine speed significantly

Pro tip for times when windows you are unable to close a game via task manager due to the game not giving up the screen space at the front (like at 16:23): press win+tab, add a new desktop, move the game to that window and peacefully open up task manager.

My step dad still has the old Danger Den shop computer (he was one of the founders). It's fully water-cooled (CPU's, north bridge, south bridge, and GPU). It only has 4gb or RAM in it but you can play the HELL out of windows desktop experience (win7 at least). Just joined the forms to see if LTT wants it. If anyone can make sure the the LTT crew see this, that would be awesome. Thanks everyone and have an awesome day!

Some of the message got cut off (mobile user). If LTT wants this computer they can have it. It just collecting dust in the backroom of my stepdad place 

Do not give that away. That's an amazing PC, it should be in a mesueum.

Hello @LinusTech, I still have one of these motherboards up and running (see my profile)
 
My specs are 2x X5460 Quad Core chips
4x4GB PC2 6400 FB DIMMs (16GB is officially supported maximum, but because of the nature of the RAM, you could try larger sticks. Watch the ranks.)
250GB Samsung Evo SSD
Corsair RM-750x PSU because it has rock solid components and a second CPU power lead.
 
I was running a GTX 1060 3G for lols but I actually have a couple of 8800 GTS cards (the ones with the big GB's, AFAIK 640MB or w/e) for some period-correct GPU's.
It does run SLI, as in, you can enable it in nVidia drivers (tried with W10, 2x GTX 560 cards) but I've not tested actual performance gains.
 
Some suggestions.
The CPU's that were made for this board have much less cache memory than the later 771 chips. They are not the last generation of 771/775 chips to be produced. I suggest you take the highest spec X54xx chips you can find.
BUT, choose ones with 533Mhz FSB. NOT the 800Mhz FSB ones. All the non-core extreme, normal server Xeons were locked. You cannot change multiplier on these CPU's. The ONLY way to overclock, is upping the FSB for those chips. And that's why you need the 533Mhz FSB CPU's. Because, even though it is mentioned on the web, the RAM bus divider settings have never shown in the BIOS for me. So your FSB and RAM speeds are locked to eachother. With 533Mhz FSB CPU and 800Mhz RAM, you can overclock the CPU to at least 800Mhz FSB providing your CPU's can actually keep up. Mine are running 24/7 stable at 3.6Ghz, at almost stock voltage on hot days, and stock voltage in winter.
Upping Vcore hits deminishing returns very quickly for me, almost right above stock, I still have to figure out why. They are pre-core2duo quadcores so I don't blame them so much.
The CPU's actually can run the desktop, some benchmarks and gaming at 4.0Ghz on stock vcore, but games always randomly crashed after half an hour. I have been troubleshooting this problem and no memtest, cpu benchmark could get the system to crash, other than the Passmark CPU test. It is the only reliable tool to validate stability for me on this platform. It crashes on the CPU test instantly if the system isn't stable and if it doesn't crash, the system is 24/7 stable for me so far.
 
There are, or, there were, full system water cooling kits for this board, the RAM! and the chipsets etc. RAM gets hot on this thing. YOU NEED A FAN FOR THE RAM!!!!
Only 1 of 50 DIMMS of DDR2-533 came close to DDR2-800 speeds in my tests. It did 792Mhz at a whopping 1.92v
You won't notice immediately if your memory overclock didn't go well, untill you check task manager to see that there is huge amounts of memory reserved for system.
Because of it's server/workstation nature, it will allow you to run even if only a small portion of the RAM works on the higher speeds.
 
 
Some stuff you can include on the next video.
- This platform is actually server hardware, including the chipset, but rebranded and modified for consumer usage. The Core Extreme CPU's were in fact, unlocked and relabled Xeons. Server hardware is notorious for taking time to POST. Boot it in the background while you talk about it. Even with an SSD, you will have 50 seconds plus boot time. It is also the reason why the RAM gets so incredibly hot. Servers and workstations normally have active cooled RAM. There is a RAM fan header on the board.
- You can use 4GB PC2-6400 FB DIMM's from an old Mac Pro. Arguably, using error correcting memory was Apples secret to creating such stable hardware back in the day. Not that ECC could ever fix Windows' shortcomings, but it did run a heck of a lot more stable on a Mac than on a PC. Some wise guy said "The best PC is a Mac", now you now why. Hackintosh should run just as stable on this platform as with original Mac hardware.
- This platform is perfect to showcase microstutter. The dual socket, chipset, memory type and memory error correcting, the split north and south bridge, the PCI-e 2.0 to PCI-e 1.0 nVdia splitters, and SLI to top it off, ALL introduce latency.
Throughput, and raw CPU performance do not equal gaming performance because of it. It can do high FPS in some modern games, but the micro-stutter makes it unbearable for longer gaming sessions.
- Racing games are the ones that showcase the raw performance the most. FPS games show this platform's latency achilles heel the best.
- Show the difference between CineBench multi-core and single core scores, and show the single core score of a modern platform that equals it's multicore score.
- Show userbenchmark.com's memory latency ladder comparing it to the modern platforms.
- This platform was created in a time very similar to today actually. Intel felt AMD breathing down their necks. AMD beat them with the first TRUE dual core CPU's (Athlon 64 X2 series) and intel just edged AMD in the race for a true quadcore, with the Q6600. AMD had to respond with a non-true quadcore, the same way Intel had to respond with a non-true Dual core (remember the Pentium D?). Intel was not waiting for AMD to hit them with their true 8-core CPU but threw this Skulltrail platform together by modifying existing server hardware. Unfortunately, the world was not ready for 8-cores just yet and the platform died after a much hyped introduction.
The introduction of the 28-core 5Ghz, chiller cooled Intel CPU reminded me so much of this platform. Again, Intel has grabbed Server parts to show who's boss, or actually, who's not truly prepaired for a showdown with the competition.
 
Pull in Anthony, to showcase how you can add an EFI emulation layer on the BIOS, which enables you to boot Windows off a SATA3 or even PCI-e device. Booting Windows 10 off an Optane drive with this old crap? No problem...
Keep in mind, that using PCI-e 1.0 limits bandwith for a lot of controllers, especially if they don't have a lot of physical lanes connected.
 
The only thing that has succeeded this unicorn, is another unicorn, the EVGA SR2. Much faster, newer, DDR3 and 6-Core platform with the same acchiles heels.
 
LMG is allowed to use all, or any part of this post in their production. Cheers.

Well, you could throw an extra network card (intel, 2 ports) in an old thin client and use that for pfsense, it doesn't need much hardware.
You can re-use an old PC for experimenting with FreeNAS and it should work fine.
But if I'm speaking to somebody as nuts as me than I'd say go for it!
Here's my FreeNAS setup (I upgraded a couple things since the video):
 

Yea I do need to clean my drives up a bit lol 
I did not clear my CMOS but if you think that could be a cause I shall do so.
I have not noticed any high temps at all on my CPU, I have idle temps of about 25-30C and under load about 35C maybe a little more based on the game.
I'll let memtest run while I go to sleep, and will give you the results when I wake up and also thank you so much for the help.

So here is an update for you, I woke up and turned my monitor on and there was a black screen saying a Corsair error which a quick google search said was an ICUE software error. But I couldn't check the memtest64 results since I had to hard reset my pc. But I went into my Windows Event Viewer and there is a massive amount of errors I'll attach the log file.
Event Log.evtx

Are you logging in with a microsoft account or have you attached a microsoft account to your admin account in any way, shape or form?

If you want to game, I'd stay away from Linux unless you only have a handful of games you want to play and you know that they work well with it. Game developers can be very hit-or-miss when it comes to Linux support.
 
If you have a semi-decent system then you should make a Linux VM since it sounds like you haven't played around with it yet. This can be accomplished with Oracle Virtual Box, Hyper-V (Windows Pro Required), or VMware. If you have >=8GB of ram you'll be fine. There are literally hundreds of Youtube tutorials on how to set one up. 

Ah I see, lets say I didn't set the ISP box to bridged and set the AC1900 to router what would happen just out of curiosity? Thanks for the help this stuff had me really confused. 

That should work, and your devices should get internet service like you used to BUT: both routers should be on different IP pools, e.g. your ISP box would hand out 192.168.1.xxx adresses and your own router in the 192.168.2.xxx range. If you let them handle the same range, the built in DHCP servers in the routers will have a battle and bring down the whole network with it.
 
For devices that go through both boxes, they will be extra secure. If somebody got through your ISP box firewall then they'd still have to go through your other routers firewall to get to the device.
 
That also makes it a more difficult process to forward a port of a device that handles its connection through both boxes because the adress has to be translated twice, and thus both routers will need to have a portforwarding rule installed for that single forwarded device.
 
In general, it is good practice to only have 1 router in your network for troubleshooting purposes. If you need to extend the Wi-Fi range of your network, there are better ways to do that than to cascade a couple of routers.