PIRATA!

My gosh if this build is nice!!
The mobo and case and gpu are considered to go together, meaning the case is built exactly for that motherboard and gpu.
 
I'm interested in understanding of there are other ideas/concepts/cases for similar other builds.
 

Have received on Monday the new SF750 in substitution from Corsair. It is a 2019xx.. series. Installed it and everything is working good.
 
Just sent back the old one today with the prepaid label.
 
Good job Corsair to all its staff and guys working on this matter.
 
 

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Maybe I found a possible culprit: Display Port cable near to electrical cables!!!
 
My main DP cable is inside a worm with all electrical cables for the computer and desk, and it goes around desk, and it is long 5mt.
 
I have made some tests with a spare PD cable that hanging in the air from pc to monitor, and that is 1.8mt long. NO ISSUES!!
 
I realized this as turning on my desk light, the display was going off/on as I was turning on/off the desk light that has high consumption of electricity.
 
I think that G-Sync is very sensitive to any sort of electric fluctuations.
 
If any tries and confirms my theory, PLEASE POST BACK as a feedback.
 
Thank you all.

Maybe I found a possible culprit: Display Port cable near to electrical cables!!!
 
My main DP cable is inside a worm with all electrical cables for the computer and desk, and it goes around desk, and it is long 5mt.
 
I have made some tests with a spare PD cable that hanging in the air from pc to monitor, and that is 1.8mt long. NO ISSUES!!
 
I realized this as turning on my desk light, the display was going off/on as I was turning on/off the desk light that has high consumption of electricity.
 
I think that G-Sync is very sensitive to any sort of electric fluctuations.
 
If any tries and confirms my theory, PLEASE POST BACK as a feedback.
 
Thank you all.

10 seconds seems to work OK for me. I'm considering automating file deletion and auto re-booting but i sincerely hope it will be fixed properly soon!
 
 
 

Just seen this post in response to a request I put in on the Nahimic community:
 
https://nahimic.helprace.com/i605-copy-and-paste-not-working#item_comment_block_41787
  Nahimic Support · 42 minutes ago We are aware of this problem and we are working on it 
We will communicate on this problem when we have understood the problem. 
Best regards, 
 
 
Awesome!!!
 

My Sonic Studio software auto updated tonight via the Windows App Store.
 
On a restart I immediately got ONE crash dump file in my temp folder.
 
However:
I set fast startup back on and, so far, crash dump files have stopped appearing in my temp folder and copy and paste is working!
 
It is worth pointing out that I have never been able to have fast startup enabled without getting the problem so this is a very hopeful sign!

@Pirata
 
I've seen your posts on the Asus forum.... Does the latest driver include Sonic Studio/Nahimic? I got the impression from you that it was a reduced driver set which didn't include this............. If it doesn't I will probably cope with the slower boot until there is a proper fix.

Read the comments of the people who have purchased the product you are interested on, that's a good way to know whether the device works well or it people are having issues. In general, well known companies will try to keep up with high quality standards, that doesn't keep anyone from making devices that will fail at some point, some more often than the others...

Oh that's nice! Yes, try to get the best offer you can find and get that FireCuda ?. The life expected is based on what is know as the load cycles, if you could have an idea as to how much data you are writing daily and then check in the specs of the drive to see if you are exceeding the drive limitations (which hardly happen by the way), or if  you are below the limitations of daily IOPS. 

Well, I'd like to quote the following from the definition of hard disk cache first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_buffer
 
disk buffer (often ambiguously called disk cache or cache buffer) is the embedded memory in a hard disk drive (HDD) acting as a buffer between the rest of the computer and the physical hard disk platter that is used for storage.[1] Modern hard disk drives come with 8 to 256 MiB of such memory, and solid-state drives come with up to 4 GB of cache memory.[2]
 
I though that it this part of the definition matters because "cache" by itself means a lot, the hard drive in the actual controller board may have a chip to act as a little RAM for the hard drive itself, also the operating system that's installed in the platters and such a drive has one space assigned for cache. All this means is that is a combination, whenever you are multitasking like in one server for example, you'll need more cache because what it does is that it archives data that's used very often so the drive doesn't have to read everywhere, it always looks first the cache and if it is located there the load times will be lower. So in cases where you need a lot of multitasking I would try to get drives with 256 of cache. But in systems where you only load one application like gaming rigs for example, I wouldn't really worry about big cache that much because it doesn't bring as much benefits like in systems where you need to load several applications at a time. 
 
The short answer is a yes, as mentioned earlier the OS could save cache files and the OS is in the platters. The OS has space assigned but it is known as paging file/paging cache:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_cache
 
But also the controller board, and this is in most of the cases, is where you can see a chip dedicated for the cache of the HDD.
 
The idea of having a small SSD inside of a HDD is with the purpose of accelerating the rates, but still is a hard drive. This concept of accelerating HDDs with SSDs is not new as I guess I mentioned earlier, of course there will be benefits on using one hybrid drive like this one compared to one normal HDD, and yes you are right also with combining it with Optane. Concatenating a HDD with Optane will bring more noticeable benefits when you do it on normal HDDs than when you do it on one hybrid SSHD or on one SSD. And will add only one more thing, the hybrid drives are faster than normal HDDs but the SSDs are faster than any hybrid drive.
 
  Right! After concatenating with Optane, if you perform a test in one BarraCuda Pro that has been concatenated and one FireCuda that also was concatenated with Optane, those results will be very similar because your system will see the concatenated drive as one single unit (like in a RAID configuration) based on the NVMe connector of the Intel Optane module, and those speeds are way faster than SATA.
 
Yes! The Optane module acts like that RAM chip on the controller board I was talking about, it moves essential files and the frequently accessed files, applications and data so that everything gets handled over the NVMe interface of Optane and not over the built-in-cache of the HDD.
If you want high speed access then yes, just get an SSD instead and don't worry about the what cache on an HDD and this or that... In perspective, even 64mb is rather minuscule relative to the total size of the drive. A secondary drive to me, what becomes relevant is the size because what is more important will be in the M.2, and once again, any SSD will be faster than nay hard drive.
Several questions for being the last one! This is the exact use of Optane, there are many people out there and for many of those Optane is not worth it, there are also millions of people that only want one upgrade of their existing equipment without investing that much and here is where Optane comes. It has the purpose of accelerating a cheap drive to outstanding performance of NVME and these people is what really will get a benefit out of the Optane than other people more willing to spend on one upgrade, but for many of us out there, there is no need to invest that much, just get an optane and accelerate the best SATA HDD offer you can find, it helps way too much like to be ignored. You can use one HDD concatenated with Optane to boot your system and make it your primary device and then get a second HDD just for the storage, so will end up with 2 bigger units for storing/back up and this will result on a faster system than booting up from FireCuda, because NVMe is way faster than SATA, so if you boot from NVMe which is what the Optane does on boot devices (it moves boot files to the Optane module) the load times will be significantly lower than when you boot from any SATA drive.
 
Regarding the prices... I don't think the type of chip that was used to create the Optane will drop soon, this chip uses different algorithms and under the microscope the way it stores data also changes, so this is not gonna happen on 2018 or 2019 (or at least I don't think it will), what is going to drop is the price of the NAND chips because there is over production, so during the following months and throughout 2019 the SSDs that are based on these chips are expected to drop its prices, SSDs based on NAND chips are expected to equal the prices of HDDs so at some point there won't be any reason why not to get one.

Well, pretty much the answer to these questions is very similar. The first thing to know is that your adding technology to your drives instead of using ours, that means that the results will be depending on the Intel Optane technology and not on the drive. The algorithm that Intel uses when you "concatenate" (or "accelerate" but they say concatenate to sound more cool!) a SATA drive both the Intel® Optane™ memory and the accelerated SATA drive appear as one SSD volume to the operating system. So, whatever test you do regarding the size of the cache (64, 128, 256) will not depend on the hard drive, what you will see on your test results will be numbers based on PCIe NVMe* connection of Optane for any drive, pretty much a hard drive with Intel® Optane™ memory is about twice as responsive and that includes the FireCuda also eventhough it has a small SSD for cache internally.
 
You can accelerate any type of SATA-based storage media, including SATA SSDs and SATA SSHD. However, performance benefits of adding Intel® Optane™ memory are greater on slower storage devices like an HDD, versus a faster storage device like a SATA-SSD. 
 
The system acceleration is really not a new idea, it has been in the market since the creation of the RST but it is now more famous thanks to the Optane module. All drives include cache and that helps leverage the access to your data and of course more cache means that more applications, more files like movies, pictures, etc... will be prepared for when they are requested. More cache is good for system where multitasking is needed but if you are gaming you only need to open one application (the game) and multitasking may not be a priority in those cases.
 
FireCuda has its own small SSD included with the purpose of accelerating the responsiveness of the plates of the hard drive since the most frequently data, files, applications will be located in the small SSD included in the FireCuda and that of course makes it faster than a hard drive that has its cache within the plates because SSD storage chips react faster than HDD plates, sorry if I sound redundant but need to say it to make it more clear.
It won't have any impact as long you don't try to accelerate more than one unit. System acceleration with Optane is only supported with one Optane module and one SATA drive. 
Yes, you can accelerate SSD SATA based hard drives too as mentioned earlier.
I guess I replied this on question number 1 , you can only accelerate one SATA based drive, it can be HDD, SSHD or SSD but it needs to be SATA and it can be the primary boot unit or your secondary storage device.
If I understood correctly you are asking this assuming that several hard drives can be accelerated with Optane. Well, as mentioned earlier you cannot accelerate more than one unit, that means you cannot accelerate one RAID configuration with Optane, neither a primary and a secondary drive with Optane. The results you will get will not change because you can only accelerate one drive at a time. So, it doesn't matter how many drives you have in your machine, the results of the one that's accelerated will be independent to the other components of your system. 

Hello PIRATA!,
 
The Optane module of Intel is compatible with SATA drives and our hard drives are not an exception, they will be accelerated to NVME speeds as advertised. To answer your second question about cache, the cache is the buffer in between your computer and the hard drive. The cache/buffer memory stores frequently accessed data for next time and it is good for when you use several different files or applications, they will load faster because were "preloaded" already. Finally for the noise levels you need to look for the word "Acoustics" in the specs sheet, the following is an example of a 2.5 drive:
 

These two devices are pretty much the same, they both are 7200 RPM and offer you 5 years warranty and share the same amount of load cycles. If you want to point to the differences then you need to look under specifications at the columns:
Cache: Seagate has 256MB and WD has 128MB of cache. More caches is good for when you use several different type of data or applications, the drive stores in the cache the most frequently used data to have it available for when is requested and that helps minimize wait to load times. Nonrecoverable Read Errors per Bits Read, Max: Seagate has 1 per 10E15 and WD has 1 per 10E14. This number means the amount of possibilities that a sector could fail, not every body likes math but 1 per 10E15 means that there are less possibilities for one sector to fail than 1 per 10E14. I don't really believe you are gonna get regretted for buying one or the other, get the one that suits your budget better.

The EYG-S0918ZLX2 pad is the same as the one used by IC Diamond.

It is.

I already RMA'd the Kit and used different CPUs. Its not the fault of the kit in any way. Ive also tried my Kit with my CPU in a Maximius X Hero and it worked stable with its XMP profile. So i guess its just a board thing. Also G.Skill doesnt have the 3600CL15 Kit on its own QVL for the Formula. But Asus has this kit on their QVL for the Board.
 
If you are talking about stability testing tools. Ive just bought Karhu RAMtest. But you can also use HCI-Memtest in several instances. Memtest86 isnt so great to test for stability as it mostly doesnt show in/stability but defects.
 
As far as dual/single rank thing it behaves like this. You'll have a harder time to get higher frequency and good CL timings with either two Dual ranked Dimms or using 4 single ranked dimms its close to the same. So a two dimm population with dual rank "equals" a 4dimm single rank population.
 
best is subjective. You would be fine with either. Also getting the 3600CL15 kits isnt a bad idea, its a good kit, and i think that it doesnt work in my case might just be a Maximus X Formula thing.

I think its not a monster OC. I wouldnt get into RAM OC myself if my XMP profile would had been stable from begin with. The easy solution was to set it to 3600CL16 or 3500CL15. But i didnt wanted a fix that would make my RAM even slower, at the beginning it was an easy decision to just overclock it manually. XMP profile's are not guaranteed to be stable at all. You will have to do stability testing anyway if you want it to be as stable as possible. 
 
I needed several weeks to achieve my 24/7 ram OC. It was a pain in the a** and if i would have to decide to do it again on my next system i would deny. Its in no way worth the effort to performance. RAM can give you only a very small boost, mostly relative less than a 100mhz/200mhz bump of CPU core clock.
 
At this point i think if you really dont want any trouble but keep the option to fiddle with it while having a working XMP profile just take the 16GB DDR4-3200CL14 kit if its cheaper. Its unlikely that it wont work because "ram-wise" (not overall performance wise) its not that high of a kit. I would call it "plug and play with maybe little adjustings to vccio/sa voltage" just because XMP profiles set those voltages very high which can also cause instability. 
 
The 3600CL15 kit definitely has more trouble potential regardless of board model but regarding to board lottery. But regardless of which kit you buy 3600CL16/3200CL14 they are both the same except the XMP profile saved on it. I dont think that there is any additional binning involved by those kits, all tight latency kits will have the excact same chips on them up to DDR-4000. Everything after that is most likely higher binned seperately. I mean if you would choose the 3200CL14 kit i could probably just give you the exact XMP profile settings of the 3600CL15 kit and it would probably work. Well atleast if the 3600CL15 kit would work stable on your board from begin with.
 
Dual rank memory even if its B-Die is harder to run with higher frequency/tighter timings and another very long and frustrating topic. It equals 4DiMM SS population in many factors. Not really worth it unless you want to buy a 2DIMM slot board and are afraid that you'll need more RAM in the future.

well this got a pretty huge thread about ram. with alot of missing information.
 
To add some value it should be said that XMP profiles are complete utter garbage and that they dont matter all that much. What you want is a Kit with Samsung B-Die because they can reliably achieve the highest speed and therefore adding the most value in performance. It is said on the internet that all B-Die kits can achieve *4000cl17/cl18. Only choose one with high XMP profile if you dont want to touch RAM OC.
 
Also has to be said that those "real latency" calculations arent really meaningful in any way, especially not for Coffeelake. Coffeelake has a huge cache able to compensate for worse CL timings. So you would be dumb to buy your kit based on "this is faster because CL/MHZ*1000 = lower Xns"...
 
F.e. 
 
4133CL17 XMP settings:

 
4000CL17 Manual OC with tightened secondary/tertiary+ RTL&IOL timings:


 
PS: Dont use the QVL from your Motherboard Manufacturer, those are unprecise. My RAM kit was on that list yet its XMP profile wont work stable at all without any chance. Go to the QVL of the RAM manufacturer you get a more reliable info. G.Skill doesnt list my board at their RAM kit.. well sad thats for the reason that it wont work stable with its rated speeds though..
 
*If you cant get 4000CL17/CL18 to work with coffeelake in a 2DiMM SR config its most likely not because of your CPU's IMC and not your B-Die RAM kit but the silicon lottery/quality of your Motherboard.

By filled I mean I've had enough crap open that Windows was closing programs on me and yelling at me about being low on memory. This mainly happens when I'm doing a lot of development and testing work, or if I accumulate a few too many Chrome tabs.

My old build only has 16GB, which I've filled numerous times. My new build has 32GB, though I haven't used my new build too much as I have yet to make the big move over to it.

Also woops, it's ASUS AI Suite 3 not ASUS AI Suite 4.

Don't limit yourself to just ASUS, there are some other very nice boards out there. (Though for Z370 mATX, the ASUS board is the best one out there as of right now.)

I'm not very savy when it comes to RAM, esp on intel platform. I did see someone mention checking the mobo QVL listed RAM, but does that rank stuff matter much? Also did anyone else notice neither of these kits have any RGB, so they can't be that good I'm thinking.

The mobo is great, don't be afraid to use it. Grab the drivers from the ASUS website. You'll want ASUS AI Suite 4 to control stuff like RGB, fan speeds, and overclocking from within Windows.
 
It's great having 32GB of RAM. I haven't fully moved to my new build yet (Only built it about a week ago, still trying to decide if I want Windows 10 or Linux on it), so I haven't pushed it very much. I have used all 16GB in my current build many times though.
 
I went with 2400MHz because it was cheap, and I was trying to keep costs as low as possible. Either prices have gone down since then, or I completely glossed over it, but I could've gotten 3000MHz 16-18-18 1.35v of the same RAM for $305, a mere $15 more..
 
Edit: I was able to OC my RAM to 2800MHz, however I question the stability at that, so I'm gonna return it and snag the 3000MHz RAM.