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On 1/22/2019 at 2:52 PM, Londoge said:

In general, is it better to have more cores or more threads for gaming, coding, and game development (unity/unreal)? I know that each may have a different answer but thanks in advance.

 

Clarification: I am choosing between 2 CPUs, the 8700k and 9700k, one with more cores, and 1 with more threads, and need to know which would be better.  The 8700k has 6 cores 12 threads @ 3.7GHz and the 9700k has 8 cores 8 threads @ 3.6 GHz, and does not have hyperthreading.

 

Clarification 2: Benchmarks are pretty similar with benchmarking software (~5% difference), but haven't found benches for the games I play as well as compiler and dev engines I use.  

think of the 9700k v 8700k like an 8600k v a 7700k its basically the same performance gap for the other CPUs so how ever much the difference is from the 8600k and the 7700k its probably very close to the difference between the 8700k and 9700k

26 minutes ago, Londoge said:

In general, is it better to have more cores or more threads for gaming, coding, and game development (unity/unreal)? I know that each may have a different answer but thanks in advance.

 

Clarification: I am choosing between 2 CPUs, one with more cores, and 1 with more threads, and need to know which would be better.  I am NOT saying which CPUs intentionally to avoid bias. 

 

Clarification 2: Benchmarks are pretty similar with benchmarking software (~5% difference), but haven't found benches for the games I play as well as compiler and dev engines I use.  

well the clock speed of those cores and threads comes into this as well so this doesnt really give us all the info we need

1 minute ago, Heywhayup said:

Is the ASUS Thor PSU really that good I mean with that platinum rating it should be good?

are you asking if it will be a good quality PSU? because... yeah...

On 12/23/2018 at 10:18 PM, grillechese said:

then would you have any ideas on getting it to post?

i bought a new motherboard the gigabyte aorus gaming pro wifi B450, and it worked just fine in that board, it also looks nicer than the MSI board i had

6 minutes ago, grillechese said:

well it's just posting, on the ez debug thing, it's stuck on CPU and i know the 2600 does work since i tried it on my b350 board. so i guess i'm just stuck on what to do next

 

I have an MSI B450 gaming pro and it does the same with 2 ryzen 3 2200g I've gotten 

Yes you should only need the 8pin CPU power the extra 4pin isn't really necessary, otherwise what else can you tell me that's not enough information 

14 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

I dont know the layout of this board. Are the ram in the right slots?

 

Also, just because you cant see anything wrong, doesnt discount it from being a posibility.

Yes, I even RTFM to make sure 

Just gonna try a new board, and if that doesn't work a new CPU too, at least it's all under warranty and return policy still

16 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Does that case use standoffs or does it rely on the shape of the backplate to prevent shorting?

Standoffs 9 to be exact 

And it's not shorting because it turns on stays on, just nothing happens, screens black like I never plugged it in, keyboard dark and not lighting up, same for the mouse, the motherboard LEDs turn on and stay on until I turn the system off by the power button or switch either work 

32 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

Just looked it up, b450 does support 2nd gen out of the box. So I'm lead to believe it's a bad motherboard. Open up an RMA with MSI.

Meh I'll just return it to Amazon and have them send me a replacement, be faster anyways 

33 minutes ago, Lurick said:

 

Okay so I have an run 7979 GHz that isn't in the system I've been plugged into the motherboard for first boot ( like always) and it turns on then, the debug LED immidietly turns red next to the CPU lable, and the PSU is Corsair cx600 that I used from an old build 

I've checked the board and CPU for physical defects couldn't see anything wrong 

5 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

 

No, thought you swapped the board, not the CPU.

 

What are you trying to put together parts wise?  Memory can also cause strange issues.

It's Corsair vengeance LPX 2400 but I've had this kit running in my Intel system overclocked at 3000mhz 

PSU is Corsair CX600 

GPU is an r7 7970 GHZ ( not using right now because I wanted to see how the Vega gpu did, and I've tested it again on my Intel system )

 a 256gb SSD from Kingston 

And a WiFi card, also not in the system right now 

4 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

It has? Damn, I didn't see that part though?

 

Well then sounds like it's the board then. What exact board is it? Look to see if MSI says it supports 2nd get out of the box.

It's an MSI b450 gaming pro " with ryzen 2nd gen support" on the box and I never said my CPU was used in multiple boards no idea where that guy found that info 

And on the back of the box it explicitly lists the ryzen APUs

10 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

Well it sounds like, from here, the board is bad then. That or the psu isn't pushing out the needed power. Though, I don't know for sure if all of those boards will have 2nd gen support of the box. If you can, try the update first.

I had this PSU running an overclocks i7 and 1080 it's not the PSU, if anything it's the board or the CPU, and since you can only install a ryzen processor in one direction and having now gone through 2 CPU I think it's the board but I wanted to ask you people first 

9 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

CPU can also be bad.  Its been tried in several boards at this point.

What? Are you suggesting that AMDs QA killed the CPU and they just shipped it anyways? What are you even saying?

9 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

CPU can also be bad.  Its been tried in several boards at this point.

I just bought this brand new off amazon, twice not refurbished, they fact that it's been quality assurance tested isn't going to risk killing the CPU 

2 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Are you sure you are installing the CPU properly?

Yes

I even went out of my way to use the instructions  just to make sure unless AMDs video has bad instructions , also it's two triangles it's not hard 

So I wanted to build my brother a PC for Christmas and I went with a ryzen 3 2200g and a B450 motherboard from MSI, long story short the first R3 I got the motherboard debug LEDs said CPU error, so I returned it and got a new one and the board still shows CPU error, I've tried using the bios flash button and everything checked all the cables, it turns on, but no output, my keyboard doesn't light up and the monitor displays no signal 

Any got any ideas what the fuck is wrong here? This is like I said the 2nd ryzen CPU I've tried with this board both gave me the same error, do I just need a different board? I thought all  the b450 and x470 boards are ryzen 2 ready out of the box???

6 hours ago, markr54632 said:

For anything with an ihs literally any of the good performing paste perform a degree or two from each other

Agreed, but don't always assume the highest W/mK is better because each company that produces thermal paste tests their W/mK differently so it's hard to compare them directly 

8 hours ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

I used to use Arctic MX-4 since it's pretty much goof proof but I'm going to try the IC graphite pad on the build I'm currently working on since it will never dry out and be just as goof proof as long as it doesn't slip when I put the cooler on (it's also supposedly reusable).

Take my anecdotal evidence that those pads are everything they're cracked up to be, I bought the 40x40 for my Intel CPU and cut it to 30x30 when I realized it was too big, but either way I've remounted my cooler atleast 20 or more times with this same pad under it, at one point I had kapton tape on the edge to hold it in place and I would not recommend that for a couple reasons one you don't need to do it, and two it will remove material from the graphite pad, but over all highly impressed with the pads 

2 minutes ago, lmeneses said:

lmao none you listed

There fixed it

Just now, lmeneses said:

lmao none you listed

I didn't think people bought aeronaugt from some things I heard 

Just now, lmeneses said:

thermal grizzly 

What one? I listed kyro and hydronaugt and liquid metal 

7 hours ago, Konrad_K said:

120mm aio's are a really bad investment. A decent tower air cooler can easily outperform a 120mm water cooler. 

Well the only reason I'd use a 120mm AIO is for converting a GPU to liquid cokling, but still probably get a 240 if you can spare the room, I just usually see people who add an AIO to their GPUs usually place the 120 rad as exhaust 

Just curious what kind is the most popular, I listed some of the more popular pastes I've heard of. 

If it's not on the list please comment below what paste you use 

 You can also choose more than one 

Came with a motherboard I'm not gonna use it I've already got custom cables so if anyone else wants it here it is first come first serve only one 

there are apparently more problems than just the lack of ray tracing, the 20 series cards seem to have a myriad of issues from driver install BSODs to actually dead cards  

39 minutes ago, hadenas said:

Any idea whats wrong? Do i just need to reseat my cooler? I'm currently using Phanteks PH-TC12DX. Core 0 is hitting 91 during a Cinebench R15 tun the next hottest is 78C. I've only got all core enhancement on for my OC

you either need more thermal paste, need to reseat the cooler and ensure its not blocked on something, or you might need to delid it because it might have thermalpaste issues on the DIE

*update* as far as i can tell this most recent patch has fixed the issue, thanks to everyone who replied