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Have you checked your temps? Almost all of my old hardware starts to develop thermal throttling issues as it ages out and starts to drop off performance. I notice you've got a overclock on the gpu have you tried lowering it or running at stock speeds to see if the issue continues? There's a possibility through natural degradation overtime the overclock has become unstable and is causing the issue. Just some random thoughts but it could litteraly just be a sign that the hardware is at the end of its life when you're that close to minimum requirements the smallest things can have an impact, background processes like anti virus or cleaning software, mouse and keyboard software for key mapping and rgb even things like msi afterburner use cpu to run in the background.

I ran userbenchmark after a normal start up and then with as many background applications closed as possible. Just with the few obvious programs in my tray being closed my score improved from 43rd percentile up to 57th percentile. Not sure how accurate that benchmark is but from the results I got everything in my system is performing above average except my HDDs and my 2400mhz ram is under performing also as it will only clock to 2133.

Unfortunately ram cant be overclocked, my motherboard is supposed to support 2400 and my ram is 2400 xmp ram but even with xmp enabled my ram runs at the stock base 2133. From my understanding I'd need a Z chipset in order to overclock the ram with a non k but at the time of purchase a Z chipset didnt make sense as I already had the 6700.

Benchmark: Fire Strike 1.1 Cpu: I7 6700 (non k) 4,002mhz max boost GPU: Asus ROG Strix Rtx 2070 OC (stock) Core: 1995mhz Memory: 1750mhz Score: 16976 Score link: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19403000

Yea so sounds like basically everything I listed explains my performance issues, going to have to try running some full system benchmarks and drive tests to see if the drives are causing any of the issues. Also going to have to look into killing dome apps and processes that are unneeded and try to limit background software. Really not sure how my system managed to run Haven in 8x on ultra in 1080p smoothly even just the one time if you have issues with an 8086k and a 2080ti.

No artifacts just textures going blurry or lagging like you look at a zombie in the distance through a scope and it takes a second before the textures load and the one thing looks like it's on low settings when everything else is on high. I've also got the occasional screen tare if I get a bad drop during a stutter, I've had some textures on walls kind of moving if you view them from certain distances or angles. Then nioh just looked horrible but that could just be a bad download I think I could possibly be just pushing it to far and turning up or on the wrong in game setting causing the cpu to bottleneck underload I have been turning most game to the max, like I click ultra and then see if there's other settings still disabled and turn them on to in most cases.... Gonna try turning a few things down and try some more games over the weekend hopefully to better results

Would cpu bottle necking explain the stuttering, graphical errors, framedrops and the variance between Haven scores? For the past few years I've been living with gpu based bottlenecks, now that I'm dealing with a gpu that's more powerful than my cpu this is a whole new situation I know very little about. If it's a cpu based bottle neck would stepping up to a 1440p display possibly improve performance by putting more load on the gpu and lifting some of the cpu usage?

So I'm running an I7 6700 (non k) with 16GB DDR4 @ 2133 and a ROG Strix Rtx 2070. I've only managed to test it in a few games and I'm gaming in 1080p but I'm not seeing the Fps I expected, I'm also getting stuttering as well as other minor graphical issues when I turn the settings all the way up in some games. I don't think it's the card as I'm not getting any artifacts, bluescreens or regular crashes and in fire strike the card seems to be well within the range of 2070 performance. https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19403000 Off hand what I can remember Ive played farcry 5 1080p Ultra with hd textures and was only getting between 70-90 fps probably averaging closer to 75fps Valley 1080p max settings was only getting 60-80fps Agony unrated 1080p max settings ran at 144fps but was stuttering and had a weird trailing effect in some of the graphics and some of the textures almost seemed to lag a bit and would look weird Nioh 1080p max I didn't even check the Fps the graphics looked horrible everything had rough edges, textures were blured, lines looked jagged. No idea why as I did not have the time to troubleshoot mind you this is a cracked copy as I had previously refunded it on steam due to fps drops on my old gpu not sure if that could be part of the issue. I also ran Unigine Haven benchmark 1080p 8xAA d3d11 Ultra details twice the first time I saw graphical stutter and a few frame drops I think my score was around 2800 with a high of around 250fps and a low of 9.1fps. The second run right after same settings there was no stutter and I scored 3004 avg fps 119.3 min fps 29.1 max 258.9 Some other details that may or may not be important... I did a fresh driver install after updating my gpu, and have not changed any of the default settings. I have 2 hard drives in the system from 2 other systems both have several hundred gigabytes of games on them how ever they also have windows on them and had all the old software and drivers from when they were in the previous systems. Both are fairly full and are a 2tb 7200rpm drive and a 1tb 5400rpm drive. I spent the last bit of time deleting all the old drivers and software as I thought they maybe conflicting some how. I have a few different softwares running such as Logitech gaming software, Aura sync, gpu tweak, avast, malware bytes and plantronics rig mixer from what I can recall that's it but I may have missed one or two. I thank any of you who took the time to get through all of the details, anyone who could shed some insight would be greatly appreciated. I'm hoping it's just a over site on my part or some background process hitting the cpu or ram but I'm thinking it could be a bottle neck or I just expected to much out of the gpu upgrade...

Does between 70 and 100 fps sound a bit low for FC5 1080p on ultra +hd textures? I'm only hitting between 60%-80% cpu useage so I don't think I'm bottlenecking the card there. I was honestly expecting 100+ fps not sure if I was just expecting to much or if I'm not getting the full potential due to some user error.... I mean I didn't DDU my old drivers, and I'm running the last windows 10 before the most recent build, I also have a few more background applications then I'd like but I don't think that would impact performance to drastically I think I'm using maybe 3gb ram in idle which seems normal for windows 10.

I assume not but I had everything turned down as my 760 was a blower card and hit 80° instantly so I was running lower specs then most 760s would run

Thank you for the detailed responce I appreciate it greatly. I'll have to download a couple of those games totally forgot how demanding the new AC games were I'll have to see how they run. Also have to see how farcry 5 runs now that I can turn it up past low.

Just upgraded my gpu yesterday I went from a Zotac Gtx 760 2gb blower card to an Asus ROG Strix Rtx 2070 OC. Now I'm sure this has been asked before but are the white LED lights near the PCI power connectors on the gpu supposed to remain on all the time even when the system is turned off? I would also like to know if there are any specific warning signs of a bad card to look for aside from crashes or artifacts, as I'm a slight bit nervous with all the people online boycotting RTX cards for being "defective". Lastly I've been stuck on a 760 for quite some time, so now that I have a bit more power any game recommendations you can provide that would be a good showcase for the upgrade I've made would be great. I've been on low settings for so long I stopped really following anything that had high end graphics as my specs were to low for most things. So my current library has more older less demanding titles, I game 1080p and have a 144hz monitor and will try pretty much anything.

Oh I know all brands got hit just with the amount of negative reviews on the gigabyte cards vs on other brands and the fact people are still writing negative reviews of bad cards that were just recently purchased. It seems like either gigabyte has a very large number of defective boards or newegg just happened to receive a large amount of the bad cards and are still sending those out to people.... Basically my concern is, is it something that's been addressed and fixed or is it something still widely happening with the cards. The thought of buying a brand new fairly expensive GPU that might fail after a few months is as unappealing as buying a as is GPU off Ebay.

So basically I'm looking at buying a Gigabyte RTX 2070 Windforce. First I watched some YouTube reviews including the few about the early 2070s, 2080s and 2080 ti failures, but they seemed to stop after the first few months. After that I checked reviews at different retailers like Canada computers where I intended to buy the card to sites like Amazon.ca and then newegg.ca Most sites didnt have any reviews or only had a few reviews and none were very detailed nor did they have overly bad ratings, but on newegg the card has an extremely low rating. The majority of the 130 some odd reviews are of having cards fail many after a month of use and needing to send cards in for RMA. Some even claim to be on their 3rd or 4th card inside of 6 months and having to wait upwards of 3 weeks to go through each RMA process. Basically I'm just trying to figure out if this is a on going problem with the gigabyte rtx 2070 windforce cards or if it's just that newegg happened to get more of the defective early cards and people are unfortunately receiving those cards still and that's the cause for the large amount of negative reviews on newegg... Any input from anyone who's had a bit of time with a gigabyte rtx 2070 windforce who could share their experiences with the card and overall opinion on it would be greatly appreciated.

Yea I'll probably have to go that route I was hoping someone who had experience with one or both brands could provide so insight on the backlight glow and if one company has a issue with it over the other. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to hook them up and see the picture before buying tho as it's a warehouse where you pickup online purchases. A side by side would make things so much easier, atleast no matter which way I go it's a 144hz display for less than $300.

Down to the specs they seem fairly balanced aside from acer not listing the viewing angles the only difference I found was the acers stand has more lift height and more degrees of tilt

I disagree and again I've been using TVs as monitors, for the past 6 months I've been gaming on a 55" 1080p tv running at 60hz so I think any gaming monitor would be an upgrade, also anything smaller than 27" would start to become difficult for me to see as I'm more comfortable with a large display. That aside the size is irrelevant in my question, the cheapest high refresh rate monitors I could find happened to be 27" I'm not going to spend more money on a smaller display because 24" is ideal for 1080p gaming I just want to know who makes a better pannel and which is a better buy seeing as most of the 21"-24" 144hz monitors are well over $300

So I'm looking at buying a cheap gaming monitor, as I have been using tv's as displays since they added a vga port to tv's. I've watched a few dozen youtube videos so I'm not totally ignorant on the technology. I understand the difference between IPS, TN and VA, I also know about refresh rate and responce time. I just lack hands on experience or more over eyes on experience the 2 displays I'm looking at currently are the Acer XF270H and the ViewSonic XG2701 The Acer is certified refurbished and the ViewSonic is open box clearance. They are both essentially the same price the one is $227 the other $230 and have the same warranty which is no more than a 14 day return window. The specs seem similar aside from differences in the stand, what I'm curious of is who uses better pannels? Am I more likely to get light bleeding or edge glow on one over than the other? Any help would be greatly appreciated. https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/model/UM.HX0EE.002 https://www.viewsonic.com/id/products/lcd/XG2701.php

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This build has been a long journey that goes back about 2 years now I started out looking at used prebuilt computers hoping to upgrade from a Pentium 4HT. Yes just a few years ago my desktop was an outdated hp office computer on ddr2 running what I believe is one of the first intel CPUs to feature hyper threading. So after some searching I managed to find a used acer prebuilt form factor, it had a I5 3330, 6gb ddr3, 1TB Western Digital Blue, windows 10 home with a bluescreen of death issue along side 5 antivirus softwares trying to run and a download more ram software trying to join the party. I scored that for $75 due to its issues, and bought it with the intention of buying a low profile gpu and making an entry-level ultra budget gaming pc. After a few weeks of searching I found a Gigabyte Gtx 750 Oc listed for $70 so I put in a offer of $50 and got it. When I got it home and went to install it I realized it was too wide for the case that my prebuilt was in even tho it was low profile there's only enough room for a single slot card. So following that I immediately got online and found a case that was on sale at the local Canada Computers and that I thought looked cool and had the space I needed, so I purchased the Evga DG-73 on sale for $35 + tax and put the acer into the new case with the 750. I also immediately ordered a set of rgb fans that were on sale for around $40 seeing as the case has acrylic pannels and supports 7 fans, but only came with 2 non rgb 120mm fans so I needed to buy 5 more because reasons. At this point I started looking into upgrading the platform, trying to find a used 3rd gen motherboard with more than 2 dims with a max ram capacity of 4gb per slot. But after looking I realized that it would cost as much or more than buying a brand new current gen board, unless I find a sweet deal on something used or a refurbished product that's not selling above the original msrp because it's no longer in production but it still has demand most of the 3rd gen boards I found that had features I wanted were over the $120 mark had no warranty and was using the old standard of ddr3. This is where things turn from used to new my friend who has a management position at an undisclosed electronics store, knew I was looking for computer parts to upgrade so he called me up when he found a few prebuilt pcs in the back that were slated to go on clearance. Basically as long as the store has done above a certain amount of profit every quarter he's able to purchase items that are on final clearance at the stores purchase cost plus tax and environmental fees. So I scored a Dell inspiron 3650 "gaming edition" (it has red trim instead of grey so it's a gaming computer) It's an i7 6700, 16gb DDR3L, AMD R9 360 2GB GDDR5, 2 TB HDD, Windows 10 home all the other pre built goodies slim optical, 5in1 reader, WiFi and bluetooth brandnew for $350 after tax and fees. At the time a brandnew I7 6700 cpu was retailing for around $430 and is still around that price point on Amazon so I can't say I'm disappointed with the deal but it was a Dell so that has its problems, they call it a gaming desktop but aside from a red accent on the case and a very entry level discrete gpu it was not designed for gaming at all. The small case has little to no airflow, the non certified 240w psu struggles to power the system under heavy usage and gets hot enough to cook on, they then chose to stick a ultra oem amd gpu with the smallest fan and heatsink I've ever seen on a gpu about 1 inch away from the hotplate psu. Not to mention the proprietary motherboard, PSU connections and power button pins, over all lack of expandability and that stupid DDR3L that most people have never herd of to make matters worse. It had a horrible dell bios that allows no user adjustments or features it's all automatic there using a super stripped down H110 chipset and they have the cpu voltage locked in at 1.46V So I was seeing thermals of 87°C on the gpu from running fire strike which is like 5 minutes of spaced out usage, and the cpu was hitting 77°C during the physics portion of the test. I then stepped up tho Aida 64 and in literally under 60 seconds spiked up to 80°C and hit 84°C when I stopped the test at a minute and a half as it was climbing quite quickly. And was to afraid to even run furmark because that might have fried something inside that hot box.. Idle temps were 35°C-40°C Remember these temperatures for later... This in mind I decided I needed to upgrade before I cooked my processor inside the Dell inspiron easy bake oven. But I decided I might as well buy new instead of used as the cpu was new, I spent quite some time looking at the few options still available new and did some research on what was the best then started being parts. First I picked out a motherboard that was very feature rich, compatible, decently priced and most importantly was black and not bright and in your face that what rgb fans are for the board I chose was the MSI B250 Pro Series PC Mate. After that I found compatible ram and went with the cheapest ram that had black heat sinks and came from a known company so I got a matched 16gb kit of Corsair vengeance lpx 2400mhz. I then ordered a new cooler as thermals were bad and can't have that so I got the newer improved coolermaster hyper 212 evo, black edition because you see where this is going by now. And I finished up with a evga supernova 650 G3 as it is a black psu with all black modular cables, which are very stiff and hard to manage but are black. After taxes the above 4 parts cost me $480.00 I chose these parts as I want to wait for CES 2019 before I start looking at GPUs and we'll an ssd would also help things out I figured it wasn't a necessity to have for testing the build and making sure it works plus I already had windows on a hard drive. So when the parts finally all arrived first I had to take the i5 system out of the Evga case, putting it in there was the first time I ever disassembled and reassembled a pc before then most I did was add ram, storage or swap expansion cards like GPUs or network cards. So disassembly was easy as I was familiar with the setup, it came out nice and easily and I mounted back in the original case it came in and set the gpu to the side. After this I had to disassemble the Dell inspiron to get to the cpu, this is where the fun truly began. I had previously thought the system was designed horribly as I had the pannel removed to lessen the over heating issue well before diving in with a screw driver, but when it actually came to getting in there and doing anything I realized I underestimated the lack of thought put into the build. First I removed the HDD and gpu and set them aside for later... Then I tried unmounting the cooler without removing the mobo but the mounting screws just spun the standoffs and never came loose. So I had to remove the board to acess the cooler mount. (On the subject of the cooler they used this ultra cheap looking all aluminum heat sink with an 80mm unbranded case fan on the top I honestly think it's smaller than a stock intel cooler, on a i7 in a case with no airflow...) The board is around the size of a mAtx board but has the same amount of screws mounting it as a full ATX board, many of which are in the tightest spots imaginable. All of the cables are routed in such away they must be removed to lift the board out without obstruction and many are wedged in the front where the hinge of the case folds open making it near impossible to unplug without using pliers well praying you don't slip and tear the wire out or bend any near by caps or pins. Finally I got the board out and the heat sink off to find not only was the cooler very low end but the quality control at dell is less than perfect. I lifted the heat sink off the IHS to see more thermal compound around the edge of the IHS than where it was supposed to be in the middle of the IHS atop the die. It actually looked as though the technician that assembled it drew a circle around the die so the compound mostly leaked out the sides when the cooler was tightened down. There was a ultra thin uneven layer that was filled with gaps and air pockets. I digress tho the short end of the long story is I don't recommend the dell inspiron 3650, and unless you can get one at a very low price I'd avoid it completely as it's been designed to fail and with questionable Q.C it's possible you'll experience a failure much earlier than even dell intended. That's my honest opinion on that when you desgin a functional vent on the front of the case thats actually cut out and has a mesh filter but desgin the chassis to have a solid steel wall completely blocking any air from entering the case directly behind the opening, you built it to over heat. Now that I've got all that salt shook out the shaker, let's move on to the next part of the build. After spending a good 15 minutes carefully cleaning the mess of thermal paste off the IHS and getting it as perfect as possible it was off to the races. I socketed the CPU then after setting the cooler bracket on the rear of the socket and fastening the mounting standoffs, inserted the ram in it correct slots for daul channel because I didn't learn to build a pc from the verge. Then I put my slightly generous "P" of thermal paste after one last wipe to insure no dust or oils being on it. I then gently placed the cooler on top carefully aligning the spring tensioned screws to the standoff and started slowly tightening in a star pattern for even pressure. It was at this point I heard a loud noise it sounded like something snapped or was aggressively forced into place, so immediately panic set in and the negative thoughts spiral in. Did I crack the motherboard, break the socket, crush the cpu ect... Basically I thought it was game over when I finally got my hands steady enough to lift the board up and inspect it I couldn't find any damage but noticed that one of the springs wasn't properly centered and assumed maybe the loud pop was the spring tension forcing the screw to pop into place and confirmed this when I tightened the other screw that wasn't perfectly centered on the spring tho it wasn't nearly as loud when things were more tightened up. The rest of the build went together very smoothly and there was no more moments of panic. I cable managed the case like rats make nests, I blame cable length lack of extensions and stiff cables that won't bend. You could also call it laziness but meh it runs. Then I plugged it in and it booted into windows after the bios ran it's setup and windows reconfigured. While it was setting up I fixed all the issues I had with evgas case design I used black standoffs as spacers for the front pannel giving ample air flow and used fabric mesh to make a custom filter for the vented top of the case so dust can't just fall in when the systems off. Now comes the part where you need those temperatures from earlier after the build and 24 hours to cure the thermal compound I got a max temp of 58°C on the cpu after 26 minutes of Aida 64, max temp on the gpu (the gtx 750) 62°C on stock clocks with the fan at 75% and 67°C with a 250mhz oc on the core and a 700mhz oc on memory, fans at 80-85%. Idle temps were averaging 22°C-29°C on both cpu and gpu. The upgrade also boosted my fire strike scores by over 100 points @stock speeds and my cinebench score went up by 20 points. The new motherboard has also dropped my cpu voltage down to around 1.1v Now I'm waiting till I have some extra money to buy a ssd then it's saving for a gpu to give the system the horse power it's capable of using. I'm also shopping the used market for an I3 6100 rebuild the Dell, so I can sell it after fixing some of its problems. I figure the reduced tdp and the absence of turbo boost as well as less cores along with a proper thermal paste application the thermals should be manageable. I think adding in a small drive with windows and putting the R9 360 back in it would make for a more than capable 4k streaming pc for Netflix and youtube while having enough power to play most games at low to medium settings without turning into a space heater. If you made it all the way to the end I thank you for your time and hope you enjoyed the read, I wrote this because I realized how crazy of a journey it's been. I've learned alot and come a long way, reflecting on the whole process I didn't just build a computer I built a symbol of my experiences. The all black asteic depicts the darkness that was cast on the silver linings of every good deal by all the complications that arose following each purchase leading to the need to purchase something else to make it work properly and learning first hand about compatibility. The the bright rgb fans light up the darkness when you push the power button and turn on the system that effectively has all the improvements I wish your my system had and remember why it was worth the journey.

I think you misunderstood what I meant I get the whole basis of locked and unlocked versions. What I was implying was that any 6000 series cpu would only run at 2133mhz on a B250 board weather it be a 6700 or a 6700k or a 6500..... Where as a 7700 or a 7700k would run ram at 2400mhz making the cpu the limitation but if it was in a z170 or z270 all of the above CPUs can be run with ram that's faster.

So if I understand correctly if it's not a z chipset board the cpu is the limitation as the CPUs memory controller sets the ram speed but on a z chipset it's dependant on the capabilities of the boards memory controler for how fast you can run ram?

So basically because it's a B250 instead of a z250 motherboard I'm limited to the base ram clock of 2133mhz set to the i7 6700 where as the i7 7700 has a base ram clock speed of 2400mhz? So if I was using a z150 or z250 would I be able to run the faster ram even with the locked 6700, or would I also need to be using a 6700k in order to get speeds higher than the base ram speeds of the cpu?

So I bought a MSI B250 Pc Mate Pro Series ATX motherboard recently. From everything I've read in the manual and on the box the board is rated for memory up to 2400mhz. So I paired the board with an i7 6700 and 16 gb of corsair vengeance 2400mhz DDR4 that was certified for Intel chip sets and core I Intel CPUs. And tired enabling the XMP only to see no charge on reboot. Upon further inspection of the manual I notice a little tiny blurb that says 2133mhz on 6th gen CPUs and up to 2400mhz on 7th gen CPUs. I previously read an article that stataed ram speeds were not dependant on cpu but we're dependant on motherboard ratings and compatibility so I never expected a motherboard rated for 2400mhz ram to need a specific gen of cpu to achieve those speeds. Is this a chipset limitation, a bios limitation, a limitation of the locked cpu, or just a limitation of 6th gen chips? Also not sure if it's important or not but my ram shows as unknown in the bios and in specy is this a common thing and is it an issue?

Thanks I think it looks good also as long as you keep the back pannel on. Cable management is not my strong suit and evgas modular cables with the supernova are much less flexible than I expected. And I did check pc part picker, that's why I was worried about clearance pc part picker build tool said it was not compatible with the case and there was only 3 builds in the case 2 were running water. The other was using a smaller cooler with a smaller fan.