AngryBeaver

If your parents do not want you to do it and you do it anyways and try to hide it... then YES. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY IN THE WRONG. If he can't convince his parents as to why he needs it... then chances are they are correct and he is wasting money. We are not getting the full story I can assure you. There is only one justifiable way for OP to be in the right on this, but since he already said he lives at home that isn't a possibility. If I had told my kid NO for example and they did it anyways and tried to hide it (not a likely scenario on either count). I would immediately take this newly upgraded pc and give it away. Chances are to a school or family in need program. I am more than willing to take the loss to teach my kids a valuable lesson. So again the OP needs to sit down with his parents and have a discussion on this. If he is smart he should be able to articulate it in a way to at least plant a seed for doing it in the future.

If OP is underage (not 18) then no he can't do whatever he wants. Technically it is still the property of his parents as he is a minor... money and all. Now if he is over 18... then he still lives in their house and needs to follow their rules. If he doesn't like it then he should be using that money to save up and get his own place. Anytime you are trying to 'hide' something there is a high likely hood what you are doing is wrong for one reason or another. OP, should maybe consider speaking with his parents and explaining why he feels he needs it and why he thinks it is a good use or his money. If he can't do that then chances are his parents are right.

If his componts are getting that hot then he has much bigger issues that what caused the leak.

I'm not sure this makes sense. So when it comes to thermal dynamics. Metal is the best conductor of heat. The problem with metal to metal is the air which can be between them when bare. Now air is a terrible conductor of heat... which is why TIM was born. Now TIM doesn't conduct heat as good as metal, but does so much better than air. So it is there to fill those small gaps and imperfections so that heat can transfer effectively. So a pad or TIM isn't there to do anything but pass the heat from IHS to Block. The PAD shouldn't do this any more effectively than TIM outside of the rating for what it can move. So now the question is if it is spreading the heat out better (not likely) or if it is just the higher heat transfer rating. I would be curious to see a similar test with liquid metal. I actually will probably be looking for a nickel plated block for that very purpose in the future. The results you are seeing could be your IHS and block are both very good surfaces. More so than most.

Op, Just out of curiosity is this a fresh install of windows? If not I would run a malwarebytes scan on your machine. I have seen very similar behavior from people who have been infected with crypto mining viruses. Now looking at your first screenshot I cannot see the name of the service using the resources... too blurry. In the second screenshot the blue screen is a paging fault in a non-paged area. This generally a hardware issue, but rarely a GPU. Normally it is a memory issue or bad sectors/failing hard drive. I would look in event viewer to see if there are driver crashes for the gpu too.. if so then maybe it is the gpu. Ok finally got to see the first screenshot enough to tell what it was. Some malware camouflages itself as wallpaper32.exe, particularly when located in the C:\Windows or C:\Windows\System32 folder. Therefore, you should check the wallpaper32.exe process on your PC to see if it is a threat. I would recommend seeing where it is located. If it is in the steam Directory it should be ok... if not nuke it. I would also try just disabling it from starting on machine startup via task manager. Then try running your stress test again. Lastly try uploading the exe to virustotal. It will be able to check the hash to determine if it is legit or not.

I was mostly joking around (which I feel this thread mostly is). My other comment was made because this is one of the few communities I havent had that offer extended to me. I for example an one of the legendary superusers for Intel's forums. Meaning I have all the powers of a moderator, but I don't actually need to spend time doing it. The biggest advantage is having a direct feed to Intel devs to ask question or field complicated community concerns. Honestly, I don't care or want it either way. I was just joking around anyways. The truth of the matter is that with work, kids, family activities, and other hobbies I don't have the time to dedicate to keeping these forums clean.

I mean how big of a server are you wanting? You can make a pretty good minecraft server with nothing more than a raspberry pi4 which is way cheaper than the other options.

You didn't read my full post apparently.

Yes the answer for dual monitors is always yes.

I can understanding not "needing" 3 monitors, but I couldn't live without 2. I think having 2 monitors is a must for pretty much anything lol.

I also did some physical labor jobs before I got running in it. I actually jumped in much sooner than I would have because of a previous employer. I was a supervisor for a manufacturing company on second shift. I took kids to school in the morning and then went to class myself... after class off to work and the wife got the kids. Well apparently my shifts numbers were better (efficiency) than the first shifts. So they offered me a "promotion to days" with a slightly higher wage. I ended up turning it down because of school and family obligations. They informed me I would either start the following monday on days or they would accept my resignation. The look on their face when I said ok and left was priceless. I finished the semester probably 2 months or so... switched to night classes and landed a job doing computer forensics/ e-discovery for a fortune 500 company.

If you are just using it for minecraft server hosting then why do you need a discrete gpu?

From my understanding the 2070s uses the reference 2080. The 2080s uses the reference 2080ti

The person above suggested the 2060, but I would go with the 2060s even if more expensive since it has 2070 performance. Now for the two cards you are asking about I would probably go with the 1660ti unless you are going to doing 1440p or higher then the higher vram on the 1070 would make it a better choice.

So you would remove the stock cooling option. Then preferable add some small heatsinks to the vrms (not required). The fan on there provides active cooling to your ram and vrms so they don't overheat. Then you purchase a clc AIO liquid system (120mm should be enough) and connect it to the gpu. The result is you will have cooling on the gpu that is much closer to running a full custom loop... while also having air flow on the vrms so they arent overheating. The total cost for this should be around 100 depending on what size aio you choose. So much cheaper than a custom loop.

@MitchKelly1993 if you want to change the cooler I would look at getting one of the hybrid AIO solutions that fit your card. Something like this with a 120-240mm aio https://www.newegg.com/nzxt-rl-krg12-b1-gpu-mounting-kit/p/N82E16835146062?item=N82E16835146062&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-diy+cooling-_-N82E16835146062&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhJrqBRDZARIsALhp1WTD5uUjebH8134a3_235--H-nqYQxF2JYDKlLgJnAk5SDB-Jh7nAw0aApXEEALw_wcB

So if you know me you know I am pretty knowledgable with most of the IT space. I am in Cybersecurity these days and operate as a specialist/engineer. I also do/have done digital forensics, cyber hunting, cyber Intel, and red team as well. I work for a fortune 10 or better company (if I get more specific you would know who it was). Being in my field, doing what I do, with the companies and entity's I work with/for means it is almost a necessity unfortunately. Either way I enjoy these forums both at home and work lol.

I think the biggest question now is why haven't I been extended an official invite to the Moderation team. I mean yes, I probably wouldn't accept, but with my prestigious reputation I think it is the least you guys could do.

If you have a properly configured network then an un-managed switch should be fine. Now if you are trying to create Vlans and isolate different parts of your network that is a different story. Btw, you can manually reserve IP addresses to a device via your DHCP server and it's MAC address. That means that the IP would follow the device, but even then unless you have a specific need for static IP addresses just letting the DHCP handle all of that is much easier. Now if for example you are manually setting the IP on a few machines and not setting your DHCP range to exclude the ip's you want to use for them... then yes you can have IP conflicts. Again this comes down to just understanding how a healthy network should look and operate.

I use to swear on running noscript with firefox because it blocked pretty much everything and I had to manually allow it. Now though for the privacy side of things I just use a Pihole server to blackhole all the traffic of tracking sites. It does mean using some google links that go through a tracker don't work, but that is about the only downside. Hell amazon can't even phone home unless you allow it to (a must if you use a alexa device). So I wouldn't say that there is no way to block all the trackers. There are ways to pretty much kill them all off especially if you are using custom blacklists that are update frequently. I mean if you browse just a ton there might be a chance you go to a site that wasn't added yet, but once it is all of that traffic and tracking would be blocked regardless or not if you have a cookie from them. Anyways just my perspective.

So there is no best answer to this really. So in general most of the AV's are pretty close to each other in what they detect, but even the best AV only detects in the 80-85% range and have very limited protection against zero day attacks. If I had to recommend a solution based on price, detection rate, and overhead I would just suggest you use Windows Defender (if on windows) and then something like malwarebytes to do a scan every week or so... or even the premium service with active protection. This should get your coverage to around 95% or so outside of a zero day attack. I won't go in to really great detail here, but security is a layered approach. So you need a solid perimeter firewall, a host firewall, a host AV solution, and then the biggest factor in all of this an educated end user. The biggest weakness in security is normally the end users. So just educate yourself on basic security practices and keep up on things to look for. The more educated you can make yourself the more secure you will be as a whole. Just make sure you are helping educate others in your household.

So boost 3.0 is able to boost your GPU clock speeds based on temps. This happens independently of your own overclocking and you cannot bypass it. So lets say you have a gpu that is clocked at 1700, but with boost 3.0 it can go up to 1850. Well as long as your temps are below 55c it might hit that number, but once it does hit 56c it will step down that boost in increments (i feel like it is 12mhz) so at 56c you might be sitting at 1838mhz. Once it hits 60c it might drop to 1826mhz... and so on until at a certain point the boost is basically removed. Now like I said this happens independently of your own overclocking. So if you clock your GPU to 2000 it would boost to 2150. Now the important thing to note is it is done via temps. So better cooling on a card helps it keep higher boosts. On a watercooled card though it will pretty much always maintain the max boost. This also has the benefit of helping you get high manual overclocks as the boost doesn't fluctuate based on temp and cause you to have stability issues. That is another can of worms though.

Looking at the GPU usage I think the CPU is slightly bottlenecking the 2070s and 2080. In more than one of those benchmarks the gpu usage on the nvidia cards is in the 90-92% range vs the 5700xt being at 99%. So in those scenarios you could expect another 4-5 frames. Once again I am not saying the 5700xt is a bad card or not a great value. I am saying that if I had to choose between the two I would pick the 2070s and I have explained why. The 2080 and 2080s though are hard NOs though. They are vastly more expensive than the 2070s for very very minimal gains. You might argue that it is similar with the 5700xt vs the 2070s, but it is only a $100 dollar difference and the 2070s bring ray tracing and dlss to the table. I also will give the nvidia overclocking utility in afterburner and precision a huge check too since you get some pretty decent performance increases at no additional cost and just 1 button click. *edit* you have also mentioned water cooling. So for reference you can get the new Hydro X block/backplate for the 2070s (uses 2080 block) for I think 120 for the set. Now I am not saying the 5700xt wouldn't see benefits of this, but in my experience with boost 3.0 it really helps the nvidia cards. I have a 1080ti I moved to water and I saw 50-70mhz higher clocks JUST from the boost 3.0 since the temps were so low. If you don't know how boost 3.0 works I can explain it more, but it starts to reduce the boost once temps reach like 55c. I don't think any of my gpus have gone over mid to high 40's at 100% usage on water.

Here is a video of the 5700xt overclocked to 2150mhz. It still doesn't clearly win vs the 2070s at stock clocks. I am still trying to find a good OC vs OC comparison. Now that being said I am not saying the 5700xt isn't better price/performance if all you want is FPS/price ratio. I am trying to look at the whole picture. Which the 2070s you do pay more for a 10-15% performance increase, but you also gain ray tracing (still only a few games, but that will increase overtime) you also get dlss(can give big gains in fps while also increase visuals). The Nvidia cards are much easier to overclock for the average user (one button automated overclocking). They also run cooler while also being quieter. So I am not saying the 5700xt is a bad choice or bad card. I just personally fill the 2070s is the better buy due to all the features and benefits you gain over the 5700xt. Lastly, I want to point out the way he calculated performance in that video of yours was flawed. Forza is clearly having a driver issues of some sort with the super cards. For example the 2070 scored higher than the 2060s and 2070s. I do know this game in particular favors amd cards, but you can see from the results there is an issue there somewhere. So if you toss out that result and maybe even the fortnight one to be fair since it benefits nvidia... then you would see it is a bigger gap than he mentions. Which changes his price to performance numbers. There was another review that showed them at about $.58 off per FPS. Which still adds up, but I still would pick a 2070s over a 5700xt.

IF you do the math it isn't as far off as you think. The cost per frame is pretty close. The 5700xt is slightly ahead, but even looking a stock to stock. The 2070s run much cooler and is quieter. Now for the 5700xt to compare there you will need the 3rd party vendor cards to toss on their own coolers... That can easily add another 40-50 bucks to the price. I guess my point is they are close enough going with the one with better thermals, noise, and future proof features seems work the difference in cost.