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Just now, YoungBlade said:

The 6800 MSRP was announced before the crypto bubble happened. And its generational improvement vs the RX 5700 XT was seen as excellent in spite of it costing more. When I say that the $580 was seen as "at worst... iffy" I mean that. Basically every outlet praised the RX 6800 as a great value card. Only a few gave pause due to the RTX 3070 being cheaper and having better RT performance, but otherwise, the RX 6800 was seen as the superior option.

 

When in history has there ever been an uplift of 50% over the previous gen, that also came with a 15% price drop vs the previous MSRP, and the newer card also offered more features and VRAM?

OK I had no idea of that but still, yeah it's iffy BECAUSE it's a higher price, when it should have been the same as the previous generation.

Just now, Dedayog said:

Where is the logic that something is to be better yet costs the same?  

 

If I improve a product, I am going to recoup my R&D into that improvement. 

 

Unless there is a large cost saving initiative that happened, costs have to be passed on.

Look at the cost of cards pre-crypto. All cards from the same tier had the same MSRP or in the rough ballpark.

The "if i improve i am going to recoup my money" is bullshit - you recoup it from the sales anyway anything else is just corporate bullshit and excuses to squeeze out the consumer for the last penny

5 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

That's an interesting take. Why $500?

 

Not even accounting for inflation, that would make it much cheaper than even the RX 6800, which had an MSRP of $580, and was not considered a rip-off. At worst, its MSRP was seen as iffy. Yet the 7900XT offers 50% better performance, more VRAM, better RT scaling, and AV1 encoding.

 

To get that all at a 15% discount would be insane for a generational leap. I would go as far as to say it would be unprecedented. It would be way better value than even the 1080Ti was.

 

If the 7900XT were $500, I think every other card on the market right now would be absolutely irrelevant. Even used options like the RX 5700XT at $170 - even assuming the card worked like new - would be dubious purchases at best next to that.

The logic is that if the 7900 XT is supposed to replace the 6800 then it should be at the same MSRP as the 6800 (and even then nowadays it would still be a bad price as the 6800 MSRP was ballooned by the crypto bubble to all hell to begin with)

22 hours ago, Dedayog said:

In comparison to the 6900xt, which I was able to get at $629, the 7900xt is a deal at $700-$750 IMO.  This is assuming the 7900XTX is at $999.

How is that a deal? New tech should be better performance for same price as last gen (like-for-like) and even still $630 for a 6900XT is way over the top, it should be a $450-500 card AT MOST

2 hours ago, Levent said:

Lol, there was this one guy shitting on me for saying GPUs were just GPGPUs over here somewhere...

I'm glad he also brought to light that the x80 cards use their midrange chips, I was shat on too for pointing out the 1080, 2080 etc are actually midrange cards.

Just now, samcool55 said:

Apart from the obvious suggestion to make a similar video about AMD, how about a video that talks about all the confusion both brands (nvidia and AMD) did with their naming?

A few got mentioned like the 970 "4GB" and the 1060 3GB vs 6GB, but we all know they did this a LOT more often.

 

The RX 480 for example is actually quite a mess. The 4GB ones had slower memory speeds compared to 8GB ones and the 2048SP editions also exist (which means it's basically a RX 470 even tho they are called RX 480). I found this surprisingly relevant recently (few days ago actually) when shopping for an rx 480 on aliexpress, a bunch of them are actually 2048SP cards but it's not always mentioned very clearly.

The 2048 SP isn't an issue, as it's right there in the name, there's no way to confuse it with a regular 480.

The GTX 1060 thing is so much worse though, as the 3GB was basically a 1050 TI they wanted to sell at 1060 prices. The 1050 ti they actually gave us would be considered a "1050 super" by today's naming scheme.

Just now, 05032-Mendicant-Bias said:

The tier list was a nice instrument for ranking GPUs in this video.

 

3xxx series S tier? YES!

 

I'm one of the lucky few that got a 3080 10GB at MSRP at launch. It has served me well for two years, and I'll keep using it. Though the 10GB vram is getting small.

 

Jensen's presentation was really great. At the launch of the 3xxx series, the general advice was to withold buying until AMD revealed its offering, which normally is a good advice, but the signs of humongous scalping and shortages were there. I had learned my lesson after I had to pay ETH mining premium for my 1070, so I prepared well in advance researching the shops and the minute to press F5 and place the order, I got lucky, and it worked! Best buy I ever made!

 

It was crazy... Friends advised me to sell that card for up to 3000€ on the used market at the height of ETH mining. I didn't do it, I bought that GPU to play games, not to earn 2300€ in profit.  I also sold my old 1070 to a friend for 150€ when scalpers were asking for up to 700€ for that card. More than I paid for it! Crazy times indeed... Hopefully with ETH no longer using GPUs as expensive random number generators, we won't get 250% scalped prices again. Well, as long as TSMC doesn't get "acquired" if China and USA fight for Taiwan.

I never intended on upgrading, since I had my RX 580 holding me very well since 2019 when the first crypto wave settled down, and I later sold it in 2021 for a profit which paid 75% of the price of my current 6700 XT which I got for $400 back in November 2022.

46 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

Best value would be the 10 series. Hands down. I bet that's what he said in the video too. I haven't even seen it yet lol.

AdoredTV was right in calling it Maxwell on steroids. Pascal was an amazing generation.

17 hours ago, p0laris said:

Hey and thank you for the answer! I see, do you use AMD Card as well as the software? I believe the Adrenalin Software can tweak things more than MSI Afterburner, but it can get very complicated especially for beginners like me.. I've tried finding guide videos on Undervolt but couldn't really find it.

Adrenalin software can NOT tweak more than afterburner. Afterburner so far is the be-all-end-all solution, it is the most granular and advanced way to tune your card. The only thing radeon software can do is auto oc / auto undervolt but those tend to be weak and dont beat a manual oc / undervolt.

Also what radeon software does with the clocks is that you set a "maximum" clock speed which will most likely never reach unlike in afterburner.

4 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

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So I should just sit there and take it like the "good consumer puppy" I am, meanwhile having to shell out more and more and more and more and more money each year if I want to get the performance range I want?

Then again, I think I'm too cynical about this as the performance delta between the tiers is still big enough to warrant segmentation. It would also be in their interest to not water down the whole stack so you only get 1% better performance per tier increase. Like even though it's a midrange chip, the performance on x70 cards is still good enough compared to older x70 cards before the titan was introduced.

33 minutes ago, jauxan said:

Exactly as manikyath said, at 1080p a 2070 super is more than enough capable of doing 90% of the games at ultra 144hz.

Unless you are upgrading to QHD or 4K, keep the 2070.

Yeah, he should get a monitor upgrade first at least a 1440p 165hz and see where it takes him from there.

21 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Yet it usually beats the 3090, sometimes coming close to the 3090 Ti in performance (or beating it in pure compute and AI).

Yes its overpriced, but the argument of its model number not making sense is invalid.  It absolutely was wrong to call it at 4080, but 4070 Ti is perfectly valid.

Nah bro it's the same situation as the 1060 3GB. It was a 1050 ti and i will die on this hill. The 1050 ti they actually gave us would be classified as a 1050 super by today's standards. Looking at the specs it's a 4060 through and through. The AD-104 chip has no place in a x70 class card (this is also an issue with the 1070 and 970 don't get me wrong).

Ever since the first titan came out they shifted the stack so x70 and x80 have become midrange but are still being sold at high end prices.

Tell nvidia thats a 4060 and to refund you the difference

This is a very obscure problem I also used to have. Are you using any video adapters?

18 hours ago, Vishera said:

In general 3200MHz is not an issue with 4 DIMMs installed.

There is also the issue of capacity,

It's likely that an 8GB DIMM on channel A1 won't play nicely with a 16GB DIMM on channel B1.

 

At least that solved the issue for OP.

He never said he dual channels mismatched sticks...

Usually motherboards (at least mine) has a pair of "best slots" that support the higher speeds, then the other two slots being much weaker. For instance I think my Tomahawk supports 3200 on A1 B1, but only something like 2800 on A2 B2, so that's what might be happening to you.

On 1/30/2023 at 12:30 PM, DeerDK said:

The point is to give AMD a shot, since Linus have been avoiding them for quite some time due to delays caused by driver crashes ect. 

Also, given the recent pricing and such from Nvidia, he pledged that his next daily driver card would be an AMD. There are videos about this

Im a dumbass

6 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

RTX 40-series isn't that bad on its own. The cards are legitimately good, they're just waaaay overpriced.

From what I remember, the 4070 and 4080 are the sweet spots, but I could be wrong. If someone reading this knows the actual models worth buying, do enlighten me

 

My take, as someone who recently upgraded from a GTX 1070 to a 2070 Super, is "if money isn't an issue, then buy 40-series if you want it. For us mortals, used 20 or 30-series will be much better value".

 

Graphics cards usually release on I want to say a 2-3 year cycle. We can hope for the next generation to be better, but we won't know until it happens.

It really is a scam though the 4070 ti isnt even a 4070, its a 4060 at best but named 4070 to sell it at 4070 prices, just like with the 1060 3gb which was nothing more than what the 1050 ti should have been.

Oh man this whole AI sentience topic is a huge theme in the talos principle. Amazing game I recommend it to whoever can handle it (its kind of a heavy game)

On 4/12/2015 at 1:30 PM, WereCat said:

On the right because window is on the left of the case.

I think you mean the left hand side, because that os the right of the case since it's facing towards you not away from you. "Always the patient's right"

I was talking to this dude (yes TO because it was like talking to a brick wall) who was complaining about nvidias high prices; I suggested he should probably encourage the competition himself by buying and amd or intel card, the he bitched and moaned that "durrhurrdidurr i only want the highest performance possible" - for what? A video setting that barely does anything and cuts your performance in half?? Dude, you have no idea what cards are capable of or what being smart about your video settings can do. I am just amazed at how well my card handles 1440p165hz

5 hours ago, themrsbusta said:

Now switch to a Radeon RX 7900 XTX for a month

So like using a normal card? What would be the point? AMD doesnt have intel's issues (yet for some reason people still flock to intel cards instead of giving amd a chance)

16 hours ago, lotus10101 said:

run HWInfo while playing the game, play until it starts acting up then you can see if there's any weird thermal/voltage activity

So for a first phase I ran Prime95 alongside Furmark for an extreme worst case scenario and the rounded up power draw was about 300W I believe, so I don't think I'm having any power draw issues, and furmark also had the artifact scanner running and didn't find anything so yeah it could very well be the mod itself.

21 minutes ago, lotus10101 said:

Yea definitely, have to figure alot of mods are made by independent groups or single person, their not making money on it and don't have a team behind them to give support or improvement updates  

 

is the portal 1 mod any good? I'm still playing Reloaded for portal 2

It adds new puzzle elements such as some purple orbs that destroy energy pellets on touch, green energy pellets with infinite life (but only as long as you keep the button pressed), cube cradles that hold the cube at a certain angle for redirecting the energy pellets.

And yeah, looking at it, the new stuff has loads of graphics stuff going on, I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually the culprit especially since it's all made by one guy. I am willing to bet they would have caused serious performance issues for video cards of Portal's time.

7 minutes ago, lotus10101 said:

run HWInfo while playing the game, play until it starts acting up then you can see if there's any weird thermal/voltage activity

I will try that, now that I think about it, it's not that uncommon for even 15 year old games to suddenly chug down power once modded.