Madgemade

How hot a GPU runs and how much heat it procudes are not specifically the same thing. Imagine having a GPU that procudes 200W of heat while gaming; with a bad cooler on it, it could run at 95C and with a really excellent cooler it could run at 60C, but in both cases it was still producing the 200W of heat into your room. It's just that the GPU with an excellent cooler is better able to move the heat from the GPU into the air, not that it produces less heat.
 
If room-temperature is the problem, you either need to go for a GPU that simply isn't as powerful or you'll need to improve airflow in the room itself.

Nobody was nice enough to provide dimensions so I measured it myself. Here's the thread if anybody is interested:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmods/comments/co5zhc/i_have_to_get_rid_of_asrock_taichi_x570_chipset/ewsnfn0/
 
fan diameter ~35mm
heatsink dimensions ~57mm x 70mm x 6mm
heatsink standoffs ~6mm
distance between heatsink mounting bolts ~53mm
chipset dimensions ~25mm x 25mm

This is the equivalent of asking "can I download more RAM from the internet?"

Hello @LinusTech, I still have one of these motherboards up and running (see my profile)
 
My specs are 2x X5460 Quad Core chips
4x4GB PC2 6400 FB DIMMs (16GB is officially supported maximum, but because of the nature of the RAM, you could try larger sticks. Watch the ranks.)
250GB Samsung Evo SSD
Corsair RM-750x PSU because it has rock solid components and a second CPU power lead.
 
I was running a GTX 1060 3G for lols but I actually have a couple of 8800 GTS cards (the ones with the big GB's, AFAIK 640MB or w/e) for some period-correct GPU's.
It does run SLI, as in, you can enable it in nVidia drivers (tried with W10, 2x GTX 560 cards) but I've not tested actual performance gains.
 
Some suggestions.
The CPU's that were made for this board have much less cache memory than the later 771 chips. They are not the last generation of 771/775 chips to be produced. I suggest you take the highest spec X54xx chips you can find.
BUT, choose ones with 533Mhz FSB. NOT the 800Mhz FSB ones. All the non-core extreme, normal server Xeons were locked. You cannot change multiplier on these CPU's. The ONLY way to overclock, is upping the FSB for those chips. And that's why you need the 533Mhz FSB CPU's. Because, even though it is mentioned on the web, the RAM bus divider settings have never shown in the BIOS for me. So your FSB and RAM speeds are locked to eachother. With 533Mhz FSB CPU and 800Mhz RAM, you can overclock the CPU to at least 800Mhz FSB providing your CPU's can actually keep up. Mine are running 24/7 stable at 3.6Ghz, at almost stock voltage on hot days, and stock voltage in winter.
Upping Vcore hits deminishing returns very quickly for me, almost right above stock, I still have to figure out why. They are pre-core2duo quadcores so I don't blame them so much.
The CPU's actually can run the desktop, some benchmarks and gaming at 4.0Ghz on stock vcore, but games always randomly crashed after half an hour. I have been troubleshooting this problem and no memtest, cpu benchmark could get the system to crash, other than the Passmark CPU test. It is the only reliable tool to validate stability for me on this platform. It crashes on the CPU test instantly if the system isn't stable and if it doesn't crash, the system is 24/7 stable for me so far.
 
There are, or, there were, full system water cooling kits for this board, the RAM! and the chipsets etc. RAM gets hot on this thing. YOU NEED A FAN FOR THE RAM!!!!
Only 1 of 50 DIMMS of DDR2-533 came close to DDR2-800 speeds in my tests. It did 792Mhz at a whopping 1.92v
You won't notice immediately if your memory overclock didn't go well, untill you check task manager to see that there is huge amounts of memory reserved for system.
Because of it's server/workstation nature, it will allow you to run even if only a small portion of the RAM works on the higher speeds.
 
 
Some stuff you can include on the next video.
- This platform is actually server hardware, including the chipset, but rebranded and modified for consumer usage. The Core Extreme CPU's were in fact, unlocked and relabled Xeons. Server hardware is notorious for taking time to POST. Boot it in the background while you talk about it. Even with an SSD, you will have 50 seconds plus boot time. It is also the reason why the RAM gets so incredibly hot. Servers and workstations normally have active cooled RAM. There is a RAM fan header on the board.
- You can use 4GB PC2-6400 FB DIMM's from an old Mac Pro. Arguably, using error correcting memory was Apples secret to creating such stable hardware back in the day. Not that ECC could ever fix Windows' shortcomings, but it did run a heck of a lot more stable on a Mac than on a PC. Some wise guy said "The best PC is a Mac", now you now why. Hackintosh should run just as stable on this platform as with original Mac hardware.
- This platform is perfect to showcase microstutter. The dual socket, chipset, memory type and memory error correcting, the split north and south bridge, the PCI-e 2.0 to PCI-e 1.0 nVdia splitters, and SLI to top it off, ALL introduce latency.
Throughput, and raw CPU performance do not equal gaming performance because of it. It can do high FPS in some modern games, but the micro-stutter makes it unbearable for longer gaming sessions.
- Racing games are the ones that showcase the raw performance the most. FPS games show this platform's latency achilles heel the best.
- Show the difference between CineBench multi-core and single core scores, and show the single core score of a modern platform that equals it's multicore score.
- Show userbenchmark.com's memory latency ladder comparing it to the modern platforms.
- This platform was created in a time very similar to today actually. Intel felt AMD breathing down their necks. AMD beat them with the first TRUE dual core CPU's (Athlon 64 X2 series) and intel just edged AMD in the race for a true quadcore, with the Q6600. AMD had to respond with a non-true quadcore, the same way Intel had to respond with a non-true Dual core (remember the Pentium D?). Intel was not waiting for AMD to hit them with their true 8-core CPU but threw this Skulltrail platform together by modifying existing server hardware. Unfortunately, the world was not ready for 8-cores just yet and the platform died after a much hyped introduction.
The introduction of the 28-core 5Ghz, chiller cooled Intel CPU reminded me so much of this platform. Again, Intel has grabbed Server parts to show who's boss, or actually, who's not truly prepaired for a showdown with the competition.
 
Pull in Anthony, to showcase how you can add an EFI emulation layer on the BIOS, which enables you to boot Windows off a SATA3 or even PCI-e device. Booting Windows 10 off an Optane drive with this old crap? No problem...
Keep in mind, that using PCI-e 1.0 limits bandwith for a lot of controllers, especially if they don't have a lot of physical lanes connected.
 
The only thing that has succeeded this unicorn, is another unicorn, the EVGA SR2. Much faster, newer, DDR3 and 6-Core platform with the same acchiles heels.
 
LMG is allowed to use all, or any part of this post in their production. Cheers.

No that CPU is absolutely fine for that GPU.

Not exactly. On Linux there is no normal consumer driver and a "pro" driver. There's a pro driver that can be installed for 3d work and compute (but is worse than built in drivers for gaming) then there is another driver for machine learning and running CUDA compatibility (called ROCm). Both of these drivers support Radeon VII. I think the MI50/MI60 have some extra features for machine learning but otherwise there are no driver restrictions on Linux.

Yes. Unless you need a feature which is only available as part of the Pro drivers (that are not available on the Rad VII).

At the moment AMD is the only meaningful choice for new CPUs as Intel is way expensive in comparison.
You could get a brand new just released Ryzen 7 3700X and an X470 motherboard for a good price. You could also get a newer X570 motherboard, but they cost a lot more.
You would see a huge improvement compared to the FX-8370 which was pretty outdated 4 years ago and was never much good for gaming (although it could have aged worse).

Yes it is. You have two M.2 slots on that board and both are compatible with that SSD.

Also was reducing sales of their Pro range graphics cards because it was better than all of them and way way cheaper. On Linux is can also use the Pro drivers so I think it probably was costing them a lot of money in Pro sales. Navi is almost as good at gaming so made sense to end sales.

Yes it is. You have two M.2 slots on that board and both are compatible with that SSD.

Turn off integrated graphics and retry.

EK Blocks will be available from the 26th.
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/water-blocks/vga-blocks/full-cover-for-amd-radeon/radeon-rx-navi
I expect the Chinese manufacturers will have some out pretty fast as well. Although I think EK must have had a card for a while to have machined the block already.

My Radeon VII is back, and this time with a Waterblock.
This card is a weird one to overclock. The core clocks fluctuate a lot and never actually reach what you set. It also doesn't seem to respond normally when increasing.
If I take the core from 2250Mhz to 2270Mhz then the actual average clock falls. Memory also seems to degrade performance past 1250Mhz.
Anyway, with 2250Mhz on the core, 1.225V, 80% Power and 1250Mhz HBM, I got this:

For anyone wondering, this is my setup: Phobya NOVA 1080 Rad with 4x 800RPM 140mm Fans, Aquatuning D5 Pump, EK Radeon VII block with Carbonaut pad. Ambient temp is 25C.
Anyone who has access to LN2 or maybe Dry Ice should be able to get over 7000. The problem I have right now is core hotspot, really cold stuff could fix that and reduce leakage.
4K Optimized, same clocks:

VAT is always included by law in EU countries. No website will show prices without it unless they are not selling to consumers.
It really ought to be cheaper than US prices given the trump tariffs (25%). Assuming most people in the US will not be paying any sales tax it still ends up much cheaper, but that's true for everything tech in general.

Hello, I am new in this forum :)
 
And I like this topic. So I want show my collection :)
 
My old configuration (15 years ago) :
 
ABIT IC7-MAX3 with Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.2 GHz with 2x 512 MB DDR 600 MHz A-DATA Vitesta (before when I played overclocking with Swiftech Storm for few years) and 4x512 MB DDR 400 MHz CAS2 Kingston HyperX (after). When I changed my configuration, I keep this parts for my collection :)
 

 
Few months ago, I tested this configuration and it works always :D (yesterday, I found my old Swiftech Storm in my storag :) )
 
Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.2 GHz. I overclocked it at 3.94 GHz aircooling (Thermalright XP-120 with Delta 120mm @ 190 CFM) : https://hwbot.org/submission/657902_x_system_cpu_frequency_pentium_4_extreme_edition_3.2ghz_3940.1_mhz
 
But 100% stable in games was 3.73 GHz watercooling (Swiftech Storm) :)
 

 
 
2x 256MB RAMBUS 800 MHz Samsung (it was for ASUS P3C-LS)
 

 
 
ASUS P3C-LS
 

 
 
ASUS P3C2000
 

 
 
ABIT BH6
 

 
 
ABIT PX5 with Pentium MMX 166 MHz
 

 
 
ASUS CT-479 with Pentium M Dothan 1.6 GHz
 

 
 
ACARD ANS-9010BA with 8x 2GB DDR2, it was for the cache (temp, pagefile, Firefox folder, ....), I used it more then 5 years ago. It was fast to load, like SSD :D
 

 
 
Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 X2 and MSI GeForce 9800 GTX. First, I bought GeForce 9800 GTX used for 80 € but it was bad in performance for games. A few months later, I bought Radeon HD 4870 X2 used for 200 €, it was for to replace GeForce 9800 GTX. It was very good :)
 

 
 
ATI All-in-Wonder X800 VE AGP and GeForce 4 Ti4800 SE. I bought AIW X800 VE for to play games but it was very bad in performance for games. For to replace this card, I bought Sapphire Radeon X1950 GT (sold). And for GeForce 4 Ti4800 SE, I used it for multimedia with my TV :) (the config was ASUS P4P800 with Pentium 4C 2.4 GHz)
 

 
 
Guillemot MAXI Gamer 3D 3Dfx Voodoo # MSI GeForce 4 MX440 # ATI Rage Fury MAXX # Western Digital Paradise
 

 
 
GeForce FX5200 64MB # ATI Fire GL4 # ATI VGA Wonder XL # STB Systems 3Dfx Voodoo 3
 

 
 
3Ware Escalade 7500-8
 

 
 
Hard disk drive 5.25" SCSI Micropolis 1624, 765 MB
 

 
 
Hard disk drive 3.5" big SCSI Rodime RO652, 20 MB
 


 
 
2x Intel Pentium III Xeon 667 MHz 256K, new, never used :)
 

 
 
2x Intel Xeon DP 2.8 GHz dualcore s604
 

 
 
My old computer for fun, it's for to play old games 3Dfx and other old games no 3Dfx :)
The config : Pentium III engineering sample @ 500 MHz (5x100), ASUS P2B-F, 4x 128 MB SDRAM 133, Leadtek WinFast GeForce 256 SDR, 2x Guillemot MAXI Gamer 3D² 8MB Voodoo 2 SLI, Creative Sound Blaster AWE64 ISA, HDD 3.5" 80GB, Fortron/Source FSP235-60GI and Zalman R1. The operating system is Windows 98 SE.
 

Also i9-9900k  is 95w. 
 
Different model different power consumption. Usually limited by cooling or/and BIOS.
 
This is Nitro 580 | ~230w
This is 290x Tri-X | ~220w
 
 
 
 
 
This is 2080 | ~215w
 
This is also 2080 | ~255w
 

Delete Radeon Software and DDU. 
 
Reset Windows display settings and reinstall the drivers and start from scratch. 
 
if its an issue with settings, that should fix it. 

Indeed and that's probably what I would recommend for the OP. The idea of reduced pressure loop is interesting but it's only use is shown in that video. Main problem is not being able to achieve lower temps than ambient and only advantage is not needing a pump and potentially better efficiency at the block but that's only in theory.

This was related to the CPU not being de-lidded as he said in the video. The GPU never got above 26C so it certainly works. The problem moves from getting heat out of the loop to getting heat from the silicon and into the water itself.

Seems like the most likely cause to me. The Radeon VII is nothing like 10C over water, it's more like 20C minimum so 15C sounds about right for a 2060.
 
For the big old GPUs I expect this 10C rule holds true for the most part. I have an old GTX Titan Black in a loop and at stock it gets to 29C or 30C with ambient temps of 18-20C, overclocked (300W-350W gpu core power) it got to 33C. Watercooling doesn't work as well (delta temps wise) with newer GPUs as they are too small now!

most likely they aren't produced together as the same batch. Just because the retailer shipped them together doesnt mean they left the factory together

So, I recently saw a Titan Black Hydro Copper on eBay for cheap. Apparently it crashed under load so I got it for $80 shipped.

So much for crashing under load. This old GPU sure runs cool compared to the Radeon VII. Never went above 32C!
CPU used is the Ryzen R3 1200 (clocked at 3.8Ghz), but with RAM as old as the GPU and running at only 2133.
I did try pushing for 1400Mhz but it wouldn't go past 1370Mhz no matter what, even with custom BIOS mods and no TDP limit, didn't get much over 300W anyway, lightweight by modern standards!
I have a block for the VI now so might be able to bump my score for that up at least a little bit...

That's a Good PSU. No need to upgrade that at all. 1660 Ti is not much slower than 2060. I would avoid 10 series now unless they are much cheaper. With nvidia after a few years the performance of the 1070 will be the same or worse than the 1660Ti. 10 series is quite old really released 2016.
 
Do not upgrade now. The next generation of CPU for your motherboard (Zen 2) is going to be released before August this year. The new Ryzen 3000 series will be at least 20% faster and upgrading will be cheaper as the 1000 and 200 series ryzen will get a price drop. Also you should be able to overclock to 3.8-4Ghz with your current CPU.

I don't understand the chain of logic here.  Games don't often support surround so go analogue?  Those have nothing to do with each other.  You can have surround, stereo, or mono, and everything in between with both digital and analogue connections.