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@kokakolia Thank you really for your insight, it's really a perspective I'm needing.
After researching and asking around about audio for around 3 month I come to the same conclusion. There always will be a better, smarter, maybe even cheaper choice. I can't wait people visiting me telling: "but what if you would went for DALI, ELAC, or that specific amplifier ... " I guess since everyone has some kind of different taste, they will always be different opinions towards listening experience. That's why this whole area is so much controversial.
 
I've decided for the B&W 607 for now, keeping the RP600M as a backup though. It would be ignorant to say "I will love B&W forever, since I'm owning them now". I will listen to them at home, if I get *that* feeling, I will keep them. Otherwise I will happily take advantage of todays online refund policies and order the Klipsch asap.
 
@Derkoli The Onkyo TX-NR686 looks really good in terms of features, not feeling missing out on anything. B&W 607 needing 8 ohm 100 w, which this receiver provides easily and has the option to bi-amp. B&W stating bi-amping COULD result in higher resolution in this and that area, well I doubt it. Will test it for sure though, really curious about that. I could even try to to connect my satellite speaker from the Z906 just to see if theres any improvement to sound instead using dac/amp if its subwoofer. Again, really nice find this Onkyo, thank you!
 
Lastly I need to connect them with each other. Googled speaker wire, and OF COURSE there are options.
Material full copper, copper aluminium, different kind of convinient plugs such as banana, u form and gauge ... omg gauge ...
I watched Techquickie for that to get some idea what I'm dealing with. The lesser the gauge digit, the bigger the thickness. The longer the distance, the lesser the gauge size. Never go beyond 50 feet / 15 meter, or higher frequencies could be lost due to material proberties of copper. So going safe with 4 mm² (6 gauge) full copper instead of 2.5 mm² (10 gauge) copper alu? And please don't tell me clear cable shroud sound better compared to black/whites/any color, I will lose my mind for sure u_u
 
My choice would be 50m 2 x 2.5 mm² transparent full copper for 38.90 € (0.78 € / m). 50 m so I can ditch every "less thick, lower quality" cable I am and will be using in the future, starting with the Z906.
 
If there are still no-goes, or "pay attention to" left over, please tell me. Otherwise I want to thank the following people:
 
@Dackzy You might not remember me, but You helped me early 2018 to get some basic understanding of headphone dac/amp, how Windows handles volume control and product recommendation. Even I still bought the Oppo HA 2 SE instead of your mentioned Audio GD NFB 11.32/28 (trust me I'm thinking atleast once a month about "what if I bought the 11.28 instead, would by DT 1990 sound better?") I really really appreciate your efforts back then. @rice guru Thank you! You helped me initially 2 threads ago to get an overview over products and features in audio. @emosun "no need to overcomplicate a simple setup." At this point I realise I have no idea about anything and started to rethink about my purchase decision of the Edifier S2000Pro. Even though your answers doesn't seem much, without you I could be ending up with an overcomplicated S2000Pro + studio subwoofers setup and still be unhappy about it. Thank you! @N.tony When Professional mean girl emosun did the prework with jabs and crosses, you did the final uppercut. Your post and following were eyeopening, it kinda scares me! You were the turning point why I gave up on the convinience purchase and started getting into audio the hard, google and time intensive way (100% the correct way). I stopped overhyping products and brand loyalty, actually started listening for hours to speaker sound demo's through youtube and co. Thank you! @kokakolia & @PriitM You guys pointed out speaker and brands have significant different sound signatures. With that I could first time in life decide what kind of sound profile I like to listen to. Before that I could just weirdly describe methaphorically what it feels like to listen to music. Your personal experience, kokakolia, with your Klipsch and the Q Acoustics 3020 gave me a good idea what to expect from said products. Thank you guys! @Derkoli Listen everyone! This guy is actually a legend! Not only that his audio stuff value seems to increase on a daily basis, he absolutely kicked ass with every weird question I throwed at him. Every. Single. One. You spend so much time helping me out, LTT should pay you for staying around here, because quality wise your post were really valueable. I really can not thank you enough, really. I mean really, thank you!

@kokakolia Thank you really for your insight, it's really a perspective I'm needing.
After researching and asking around about audio for around 3 month I come to the same conclusion. There always will be a better, smarter, maybe even cheaper choice. I can't wait people visiting me telling: "but what if you would went for DALI, ELAC, or that specific amplifier ... " I guess since everyone has some kind of different taste, they will always be different opinions towards listening experience. That's why this whole area is so much controversial.
 
I've decided for the B&W 607 for now, keeping the RP600M as a backup though. It would be ignorant to say "I will love B&W forever, since I'm owning them now". I will listen to them at home, if I get *that* feeling, I will keep them. Otherwise I will happily take advantage of todays online refund policies and order the Klipsch asap.
 
@Derkoli The Onkyo TX-NR686 looks really good in terms of features, not feeling missing out on anything. B&W 607 needing 8 ohm 100 w, which this receiver provides easily and has the option to bi-amp. B&W stating bi-amping COULD result in higher resolution in this and that area, well I doubt it. Will test it for sure though, really curious about that. I could even try to to connect my satellite speaker from the Z906 just to see if theres any improvement to sound instead using dac/amp if its subwoofer. Again, really nice find this Onkyo, thank you!
 
Lastly I need to connect them with each other. Googled speaker wire, and OF COURSE there are options.
Material full copper, copper aluminium, different kind of convinient plugs such as banana, u form and gauge ... omg gauge ...
I watched Techquickie for that to get some idea what I'm dealing with. The lesser the gauge digit, the bigger the thickness. The longer the distance, the lesser the gauge size. Never go beyond 50 feet / 15 meter, or higher frequencies could be lost due to material proberties of copper. So going safe with 4 mm² (6 gauge) full copper instead of 2.5 mm² (10 gauge) copper alu? And please don't tell me clear cable shroud sound better compared to black/whites/any color, I will lose my mind for sure u_u
 
My choice would be 50m 2 x 2.5 mm² transparent full copper for 38.90 € (0.78 € / m). 50 m so I can ditch every "less thick, lower quality" cable I am and will be using in the future, starting with the Z906.
 
If there are still no-goes, or "pay attention to" left over, please tell me. Otherwise I want to thank the following people:
 
@Dackzy You might not remember me, but You helped me early 2018 to get some basic understanding of headphone dac/amp, how Windows handles volume control and product recommendation. Even I still bought the Oppo HA 2 SE instead of your mentioned Audio GD NFB 11.32/28 (trust me I'm thinking atleast once a month about "what if I bought the 11.28 instead, would by DT 1990 sound better?") I really really appreciate your efforts back then. @rice guru Thank you! You helped me initially 2 threads ago to get an overview over products and features in audio. @emosun "no need to overcomplicate a simple setup." At this point I realise I have no idea about anything and started to rethink about my purchase decision of the Edifier S2000Pro. Even though your answers doesn't seem much, without you I could be ending up with an overcomplicated S2000Pro + studio subwoofers setup and still be unhappy about it. Thank you! @N.tony When Professional mean girl emosun did the prework with jabs and crosses, you did the final uppercut. Your post and following were eyeopening, it kinda scares me! You were the turning point why I gave up on the convinience purchase and started getting into audio the hard, google and time intensive way (100% the correct way). I stopped overhyping products and brand loyalty, actually started listening for hours to speaker sound demo's through youtube and co. Thank you! @kokakolia & @PriitM You guys pointed out speaker and brands have significant different sound signatures. With that I could first time in life decide what kind of sound profile I like to listen to. Before that I could just weirdly describe methaphorically what it feels like to listen to music. Your personal experience, kokakolia, with your Klipsch and the Q Acoustics 3020 gave me a good idea what to expect from said products. Thank you guys! @Derkoli Listen everyone! This guy is actually a legend! Not only that his audio stuff value seems to increase on a daily basis, he absolutely kicked ass with every weird question I throwed at him. Every. Single. One. You spend so much time helping me out, LTT should pay you for staying around here, because quality wise your post were really valueable. I really can not thank you enough, really. I mean really, thank you!

@kokakolia Thank you really for your insight, it's really a perspective I'm needing.
After researching and asking around about audio for around 3 month I come to the same conclusion. There always will be a better, smarter, maybe even cheaper choice. I can't wait people visiting me telling: "but what if you would went for DALI, ELAC, or that specific amplifier ... " I guess since everyone has some kind of different taste, they will always be different opinions towards listening experience. That's why this whole area is so much controversial.
 
I've decided for the B&W 607 for now, keeping the RP600M as a backup though. It would be ignorant to say "I will love B&W forever, since I'm owning them now". I will listen to them at home, if I get *that* feeling, I will keep them. Otherwise I will happily take advantage of todays online refund policies and order the Klipsch asap.
 
@Derkoli The Onkyo TX-NR686 looks really good in terms of features, not feeling missing out on anything. B&W 607 needing 8 ohm 100 w, which this receiver provides easily and has the option to bi-amp. B&W stating bi-amping COULD result in higher resolution in this and that area, well I doubt it. Will test it for sure though, really curious about that. I could even try to to connect my satellite speaker from the Z906 just to see if theres any improvement to sound instead using dac/amp if its subwoofer. Again, really nice find this Onkyo, thank you!
 
Lastly I need to connect them with each other. Googled speaker wire, and OF COURSE there are options.
Material full copper, copper aluminium, different kind of convinient plugs such as banana, u form and gauge ... omg gauge ...
I watched Techquickie for that to get some idea what I'm dealing with. The lesser the gauge digit, the bigger the thickness. The longer the distance, the lesser the gauge size. Never go beyond 50 feet / 15 meter, or higher frequencies could be lost due to material proberties of copper. So going safe with 4 mm² (6 gauge) full copper instead of 2.5 mm² (10 gauge) copper alu? And please don't tell me clear cable shroud sound better compared to black/whites/any color, I will lose my mind for sure u_u
 
My choice would be 50m 2 x 2.5 mm² transparent full copper for 38.90 € (0.78 € / m). 50 m so I can ditch every "less thick, lower quality" cable I am and will be using in the future, starting with the Z906.
 
If there are still no-goes, or "pay attention to" left over, please tell me. Otherwise I want to thank the following people:
 
@Dackzy You might not remember me, but You helped me early 2018 to get some basic understanding of headphone dac/amp, how Windows handles volume control and product recommendation. Even I still bought the Oppo HA 2 SE instead of your mentioned Audio GD NFB 11.32/28 (trust me I'm thinking atleast once a month about "what if I bought the 11.28 instead, would by DT 1990 sound better?") I really really appreciate your efforts back then. @rice guru Thank you! You helped me initially 2 threads ago to get an overview over products and features in audio. @emosun "no need to overcomplicate a simple setup." At this point I realise I have no idea about anything and started to rethink about my purchase decision of the Edifier S2000Pro. Even though your answers doesn't seem much, without you I could be ending up with an overcomplicated S2000Pro + studio subwoofers setup and still be unhappy about it. Thank you! @N.tony When Professional mean girl emosun did the prework with jabs and crosses, you did the final uppercut. Your post and following were eyeopening, it kinda scares me! You were the turning point why I gave up on the convinience purchase and started getting into audio the hard, google and time intensive way (100% the correct way). I stopped overhyping products and brand loyalty, actually started listening for hours to speaker sound demo's through youtube and co. Thank you! @kokakolia & @PriitM You guys pointed out speaker and brands have significant different sound signatures. With that I could first time in life decide what kind of sound profile I like to listen to. Before that I could just weirdly describe methaphorically what it feels like to listen to music. Your personal experience, kokakolia, with your Klipsch and the Q Acoustics 3020 gave me a good idea what to expect from said products. Thank you guys! @Derkoli Listen everyone! This guy is actually a legend! Not only that his audio stuff value seems to increase on a daily basis, he absolutely kicked ass with every weird question I throwed at him. Every. Single. One. You spend so much time helping me out, LTT should pay you for staying around here, because quality wise your post were really valueable. I really can not thank you enough, really. I mean really, thank you!

I feel like someone talking outside from the box I'm sitting in. That addictive consumption in consumber behavier box. While I read your reply I was wearing my DT 1990 Pro and listened to amazon music's playlist "best 2010er". Weirdly enough I was suprised how good music sounded on them, like I forgot the details it reveals. How do I describe it. Switching to the S2000Pro I would  recognize these details in music, too, if I really paid attention to it. But with my DT 1990, it's like they are presented to me unsolicited? Switching back to the active speaker to confirm if they are there: yes they are, if you really searching for it, but they could be gone easily if you just listened casually to them.
 
I think I forgot why I wanted speaker initially. I wanted to have that DT 1990 unquestioned detail presenting to the room to share with friends, without always wearing the headphones.
 
DAC's the same, only amp (ha2 se vs integrated speaker) and driver are different. It has to be the active speaker then. There was bass lacking with them, but I think buying a subwoofer wouldn't change my feeling about the details. I didn't find the ELAC's at that time shipping to germany, and the amp listed wasn't available either. Since I don't have any experience about speaker amp setup, I thought going with the S2000Pro would be way more convinient.
 
Sorry @Derkoli, I kinda not appreciate your efforts by my indecisiveness. I will return the S2000Pro and hopefully find a better fitting pair for me with your and mina's help. I keep the speaker stands though.
 
@N.tony Thank you kind stranger from the internet, you invested several minutes in your reply and saved me from a non fitting purchase decision. This reply is by far the best and most helpful.
 
(Do I open a new thread for Edifier S2000Pro Replacement, or do I ask in this thread? Or making a completely new thread with linking both threads with a little tl,dr?)

Thanks to @Derkoli and @rice guru

Thanks to @Derkoli and @rice guru