CheeseburgerChad

Thanks for the recommendations! For some reason I thought the velocifire boards had macros but after taking a closer look that appears to only be on their wireless model. I'll probably get that one, seems like a good value for my purposes.

I have a WASD tkl with cherry mx brown switches. It's extremely well built. 

PSU doesn't matter for consumers, the only thing that matters is if the computer works. I can place a bargain PSU in my editing rig/gaming rig and it will work, obviously, I won't do that but you get it. Great Wall is a decent manufacturer and yes, they do have a place in the industry. Sure their hardware components might have cut-corners or they might not look good, but atleast they work for the time being.  

I completely agree. There are definitely a lot of other pre-builts that are far better in terms of value and build quality out there. I think in the end the Walmart ones are not something that should be recommended to people, but should still get the job done. A lot of people read reviews before buying products anyway, so hopefully that helps too.

I think you're right, the overall concept and product is not a scam. GN's order was a scam, but it obviously shouldn't represent every order out there. 
 
But the value is completely skewed. Most other SI's have a far better value for their products, at the very least in build quality. 
Pre-builds have a place in this world, not saying they don't, just saying that Walmart is clearly not doing it right. 

I'm pretty much neutral, I don't agree with their business practices and at the same time I don't agree they should be getting hate.
 
 

Bravo. You hit the nail on the head here. It is a rip off. Just likr what happened to me. And I want nobody to have to go thought the pain of having a shit motherboard and psu to upgrade before they can upgrade the rst of it if they ever do learn baout the parts of a pc... 

Ok. Everyone just calm down for a second. I would like to start by saying that I watched both Steve and Linus' videos and while some valid points have been made, there are people in this thread who do not seem to understand some key points here.
Firstly, I think some of you don't realize that the scam people are referring to is the fact that Steve over at Gamers Nexus was sent the wrong model of the system, being accidentally shipped the lower end model when he paid for the higher end one. While this IS a problem on Walmart's end that they claimed they would help with, and I personally do not know how many people other than him had this issue, I don't think it's fair to say that these PCs are actually a scam, assuming you do get the right model. To those of you who are arguing that it is a "scam" ONLY because they are "charging too much" and that "DIY is better" clearly do not understand the place in the market for pre-built machines. Obviously, there is typically going to be markup with a prebuilt because the system builder that you are buying from (in this case Walmart) has to spend money to get people to build the machines (regardless of their age or pay rate) as well as people to decide what parts go into it, not to mention marketing and graphic design etc. This aspect is no different from other system integrators (SIs) that actually do build relatively high quality towers (see Linus' new video series for some examples). While most people on this forum would agree (myself included) that building your own PC is not very hard and will almost always save you a lot of money, there are people in this world that will buy a pre-built either due to a lack of technical knowledge, or simply because they want to get straight to using their PC without any effort going into picking out parts or putting them together, and while they're at it they probably get a warranty too depending on the brand. Acknowledging that pre-built systems, although generally a lesser value, do have a place in the market (even if it's not for you), then we can address the main issue here, which is the questionable build quality. The parts Walmart has chosen to put into this build, especially the motherboard and power supply, are in fact sketchy, as noted by both reviewers, and the thing with the GPU arriving unplugged is an odd issue with a nevertheless relatively easy fix. Although it is clear that Walmart cut some corners to lower their own costs, everyone (assuming the shipping issue gets sorted out between models) is still getting what they technically paid for. Most people will get hardware that is more than adequate to play the games they want to play, even if the thermals of the case are not very good. In the end there wasn't any "fraudulent" activity that would constitute a scam here. I think this is just Walmart's lack of knowledge in the PC market. This is definitely not the first poorly designed pre-built ever. TL;DR: While Walmart has some kinks to work out in the process, people are still technically getting what they paid for, and it's not uncommon for pre-builts to cost more than their value in raw parts anyway. I don't think Walmart is intentionally trying to rip off consumers, but rather just don't have the knowledge or experience necessary to be a quality contender in the pre-built market.

Ok. Everyone just calm down for a second. I would like to start by saying that I watched both Steve and Linus' videos and while some valid points have been made, there are people in this thread who do not seem to understand some key points here.
Firstly, I think some of you don't realize that the scam people are referring to is the fact that Steve over at Gamers Nexus was sent the wrong model of the system, being accidentally shipped the lower end model when he paid for the higher end one. While this IS a problem on Walmart's end that they claimed they would help with, and I personally do not know how many people other than him had this issue, I don't think it's fair to say that these PCs are actually a scam, assuming you do get the right model. To those of you who are arguing that it is a "scam" ONLY because they are "charging too much" and that "DIY is better" clearly do not understand the place in the market for pre-built machines. Obviously, there is typically going to be markup with a prebuilt because the system builder that you are buying from (in this case Walmart) has to spend money to get people to build the machines (regardless of their age or pay rate) as well as people to decide what parts go into it, not to mention marketing and graphic design etc. This aspect is no different from other system integrators (SIs) that actually do build relatively high quality towers (see Linus' new video series for some examples). While most people on this forum would agree (myself included) that building your own PC is not very hard and will almost always save you a lot of money, there are people in this world that will buy a pre-built either due to a lack of technical knowledge, or simply because they want to get straight to using their PC without any effort going into picking out parts or putting them together, and while they're at it they probably get a warranty too depending on the brand. Acknowledging that pre-built systems, although generally a lesser value, do have a place in the market (even if it's not for you), then we can address the main issue here, which is the questionable build quality. The parts Walmart has chosen to put into this build, especially the motherboard and power supply, are in fact sketchy, as noted by both reviewers, and the thing with the GPU arriving unplugged is an odd issue with a nevertheless relatively easy fix. Although it is clear that Walmart cut some corners to lower their own costs, everyone (assuming the shipping issue gets sorted out between models) is still getting what they technically paid for. Most people will get hardware that is more than adequate to play the games they want to play, even if the thermals of the case are not very good. In the end there wasn't any "fraudulent" activity that would constitute a scam here. I think this is just Walmart's lack of knowledge in the PC market. This is definitely not the first poorly designed pre-built ever. TL;DR: While Walmart has some kinks to work out in the process, people are still technically getting what they paid for, and it's not uncommon for pre-builts to cost more than their value in raw parts anyway. I don't think Walmart is intentionally trying to rip off consumers, but rather just don't have the knowledge or experience necessary to be a quality contender in the pre-built market.

I'm not a rep for Walmart. I'm pretty much defending them from the hate they are getting.
 
Plus, almost EVERY company does this sort of business practice, including Dell, Cyberpower, Acer, HP and more, including Hardware manufacturers.

Selling a product for grossly more value than a similar product isn't what I'd call a scam. Otherwise you could argue every system builder is scamming you.
 
Bethesda promising canvas bags but sent people nylon bags is a scam.

What is the model of your motherboard? Did you change that too when you upgraded CPUs and does it have the latest bios revision?
 

After reading the title I thought you were going to be doing a mineral oil build ? If you're talking instead about a liquid cooled build I'd use distilled water or another pre-made fluid.

I agree that a good air cooler is an appropriate substitute for a water cooler, but as a long time owner of the 212, I can attest to how crap it can be. (Not for its price of course, the value proposition is through the roof.) This build is more suitably accompanied by something nice from noctua or Be Quiet.

You mean to say that a 1070ti and a 1080ti would perform similarly ?

Looks like a nice build. Just a personal suggestion would be to take off the AIO cooler and use an air cooler instead like a Hyper 212 to save $75 that you could either pocket or put towards a significantly more powerful 1070 ti. There is no performance difference between the AIO and a good air cooler if you don't mind using an air cooler.

Considering that the 2080 is significantly more powerful than the 1080 in pretty much every way I would definitely assume that it can render videos faster. However I do not know how two 1080s would compare to a 2080, but if you're buying two 1080s and speed is really that valuable to you I would consider a 2080 ti.

Yes if all he is using it for is premiere then you can ignore my previous comment. Any decent gpu like others mentioned will be perfectly fine.

I can agree that some people have great skills to broke everything. And some others are "virus magnets". For me is mostly opportunity to figure out how to save their os and learn something new.

Yes, they will be available. Depends on how they're installed. If using Origin or Steam, there are tutorials on internet what to do if path changes.
But still - keep your HDD as is, because you probably will need some files (savegames) that you forgot to backup. You may format your HDD anytime you want. Or not.

It sounds like most are in support of the purchase, I think I'll go for it. Really appreciate all the advice guys!

It sounds like most are in support of the purchase, I think I'll go for it. Really appreciate all the advice guys!

Paying $275 for a 1070Ti is a good deal. And yes you might not be able to play all games on Ultra at 1440p but it will definitely be good enough for 1440p gaming.

what are you gonna do with the rig? if you're just gaming then get a better GPU and an ssd instead of spending money on an 8700k.

I'd open task manager and see if anything is at 100% when it lags. My guess is there's an issue with the drive - I'd try running the test suggested above and see what you can find. Cloning from HDD to SSD is prone to issues.