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TopHat Prodxns

TopHat Prodxns message :: Initial Question/Comment:

I was looking at a few Proliant blade products in your catalog when I noticed the WS460c and BL460c (both Gen8). Are these the same product, or are they different products? Just seeking clarification...


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I appreciate your interest in HPE servers.

 

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May I ask if this purchase is for your organization or for resale?


TopHat Prodxns

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This may seem strange, but I was going to consider getting a pair of blades for personal use.

 

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But, I can't make a purchasing decision without knowing exactly what I'm getting into.


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Got it. Actually both WS460c and BL460c are different servers. Also both are discontinued models.

 

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Gen10 is the latest version.

 

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Do you have any requested specs for no. of processors, memory, storage capacity etc.,?


TopHat Prodxns

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Not currently. But, since they are different, may I ask about their purposes?


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Generally WS460c is compatible with lot of graphics cards which is used for workstation class performance for high-end professional 3D graphics.

 

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BL460c is a standard model don't suitable for high end graphics.

 

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May I help you with anything else?


 

I think we all know where this is going...

  1. LukeSavenije

    LukeSavenije

    i think to the bl460c

    Spoiler

    /s

     

  2. TopHatProductions115

    TopHatProductions115

    There's only one thing better than the T7610 that I'd wanna own. And that's -

    an HPE (HP Enterprise) BladeSystem c3000, equipped with

            a pair of HPE Proliant WS460c Gen8's,

            each with a Graphics Expansion Blade (GX Blade),

            a pair of Xeon E5-2697 v2's each,

            an Rx Vega 64 or GXT 1080/1080 Ti each (in GX Blade),

            all 32 DIMM slots filled with 8GB ECC modules (both blades),

            two 2TB or 4TB 7200RPM HDDs each,

            a Creative Sound Blaster Zx/ZxR in one blade,

            an Elgato HD60 Pro in the other blade (not confirmed),

            and a 50-inch curved 5K 60Hz (sRGB/DisplayHDR) monitor.

     

    Yes -  I looked this up:

     

    Either that or I go to town on a few Precision R7610's instead.

     

     

  3. LukeSavenije

    LukeSavenije

    information overload

     

    Lukesavenije.exe has stopped working

  4. 8uhbbhu8

    8uhbbhu8

    Yesssssssssss!! Always wanted to have a blade setup. 

  5. Ithanul

    Ithanul

    .....Yeah......

     

    And HP.....save yourself and avoid them.  At work we have to deal with HP for our servers......we pretty much got enough headache trying to explain we didn't need HDDs or SSDs then trying to explain we did not need an OS loaded on one (had our own SSDs with custom RHEL).  Then it the o fun when they discontinue a model and we need a replacement when we run out of our spares.  :I   

  6. TopHatProductions115

    TopHatProductions115

    @Ithanul

     

    Does Dell (or any other OEM) have scalable, enclosure-based rackmounted options with PCI expansion space? (like the GX Blade)? I kinda wanted to be able to add more devices (especially large/not small profile ones) over time. Was also hoping to possibly team them up in ESXi if I did get them (the blades connect via a backplane). Xeon E5 scalability for IvyBridge-EP was limited to 2 CPU sockets per board. I was turned on by possibly being able to use 4 of them (2 CPUs per blade, 2 blades in 1 enclosure) in this build ? What is your suggestion? I'm kinda new to the dedicated server space.

    EDIT :: Pls halp, I'm a newb :| 

  7. Ithanul

    Ithanul

    I have no hands on experience with any of Dell's newer blade solutions.

     

    But the one Dell blade solution (older PowerEdge model - can't remember exact model off the top of my head atm) I did deal with at my Guard unit was very solid and ran ESXi pretty well:  ESXi with Windows 2016 R2 on top with VMWare floating the VMWare controller (openSUSE) with other VMs housing the domain controller, exchange, and PEX server.

     

    At the Guard unit or my work place though we don't use dGPUs in the servers, so can't advise on solutions that give expansion for dGPUs.

  8. TopHatProductions115

    TopHatProductions115

    @Ithanul Okay, I looked into a few options, with the following options in mind:

    • dual Xeon E5-2600 support (IvyBridge-EP)
    • GPU expansion by any means (as long as it's cost-effective)
    • can hold at least 2 drives

    With that, I found the following options:

    • Dell Precision R7610 (plausible)
    • Dell PowerEdge M610x (has the GPU expansion, but not the right Xeons - X5600) 
    • Dell PowerEdge M620 (supports E5 Xeons, but lacks ready-made GPU expansion option)
    • Dell PowerEdge M820 (uses similar Xeon E5-4600 v2 series - S4, lacks GPU expansion option)

    In many cases, I'd have to play around with GPUs over Infiniband which isn't exactly something I'd be able to get working fast enough when compared to other solutions that are already designed with PCI-e based expansion in mind. This is one area where HPE made things a tad easier, and requires less experimentation on my part (and therefore may cost me less). But HP/HPE's quality has been called into question, so I have my doubts. Building it myself could jack up the price if I can't find a decently-priced motherboard (and I still have to buy case/enclosures). So, getting pretty close to going down the rabbit hole ? 

     

  9. TopHatProductions115

    TopHatProductions115

    For the blades without GPU expansion, I'm estimating 150-200 USD each (barebones). GPU Expansion blade may be a bit trickier to find, though, due to limited supply...
     

    Part# :: HP 703052-002 703053-001

    For enclosure options (either the BladeSystem c3000 or c7000), they're even more elusive... ?

  10. 8uhbbhu8

    8uhbbhu8

    hmmm

    Wonder how many gpus you can get in one of those blades. Just one? or two?

  11. TopHatProductions115

    TopHatProductions115

    I'm thinking 1-2 at most. Which is fine for me. 3 GPUs, an audio card, a capture card, and a few NICs are all I'm looking at...

  12. TopHatProductions115

    TopHatProductions115


    lol - probably has everything but ESXi support :P 

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