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So to update this, I ended up throwing the system together last weekend Ryzen 5 3600 AMD Wraith Prism cooler Asrock B450M Steel Legend 16GB (2x8GB) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 WD Black NVME 1TB MSI Gaming Z RTX 2060 Corsair CX550M Fractal Design 120mm Prisma fans Phantek RGB strips Cooler Master Masterbox Q300L Turned out really well. Although I'm not a HUGE fan of the RGB rainbow vomit lol, I asked if he wanted a specific color scheme set up and he said no, just multicolor cycling, so that's how he's getting it. He can play with the settings at any time and set the colors the way he wants if he chooses to change it up. Seems to perform great! He'll be getting it next weekend (he lives 3 hours away), so I'm excited to see his reaction. He's already purchased the rest of the peripherals himself based on some of my suggestions to him, a 244htz monitor, keyboard and mouse, etc, so all I had to put together was the tower. All in, with Windows 10 Pro and an Office 2019 license (you know for "school work") it came to just over $1300, so he get's $300 on the house I have a video on my YouTube channel documenting it, but it's scheduled to go live AFTER he gets it, since he's a subscriber and he wanted to be surprised by the end result. Pretty sure he's not an LTT forum member, so I think it's safe posting pictures here lol. There's still room to grow with it. If the R5 isn't enough, he could step up to an R7. There's still 2 empty DIMM slots if 16GB isn't enough for him. It also bother's my OCD a little with the gap of nothingness in the front on the inside... an AIO cooler would fill some of the void and give things a little more depth in there I think, but that probably wouldn't happen UNLESS he stepped up to an R7. And with the RTX 30 series about to hit the shelves, I'm sure it won't be long before he will be wanting one of those. Hell I already want one and I JUST bought my 5700 lmao. I can't say I'm super impressed with the build quality of the Q300L... It's on par with the quality of the DIYPC case I put my wife's rig in, and it was CHEAP... But I guess I'm just use to dealing with my older Antec battle ship of a case...

Don't know what your fan curve looks like, but the Prism on my 3700 is silent at idle, and only starts making any noise when I'm really hammering it rendering video. Keeps it plenty cool as well. At stock speeds I should add... Granted case air flow has a lot to do with it, since it is a down firing cooler instead of one that directs the heat back towards an exhaust fan...

I dunno, when I was a young lad I once "decked out" a Compaq that I was given with some blue LED's behind a "hatch" on the front that hid the audio jacks to give it a neat glow, even though inside was a bone stock Centrino powered prebuilt econobox lol. Just because it's got RGB doesn't mean it's still not crap inside. But I do agree that the main point of a "sleeper" is to bring no attention at all to it's exterior looks. If you do some painting or lighting, it sort of defeats the purpose...

If the plan is to leave it at stock speeds, no overclocking, is there any harm sticking with the stock Wraith Stealth cooler that comes with the 3600?

So my nephew is coming to the dark side, and he wants me to lead him there! He's been a console gamer for the last 16 years of his life. Now that he's working a steady job at 16 years old, he's wanting to put together his own rig instead of buying a prebuilt. I'm glad I was able to make that impression on him He wants to keep it in a $1000 budget, which I told him that for $1000 he will have a VERY capable PC! But he also doesn't have ANY peripherals to go with it; no monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset, etc. So with that in mind, I'm willing to throw in a little more to help him get a complete setup. His birthday is right around the corner after all I know he's into FPS games, not really sure which ones exactly... I have him as a friend on Steam, and the only thing he has right now PC wise is a laptop, and I see him get on Garry's Mod every once in a while, but I know that's not a very demanding game at all... But for the budget in mind, I don't see where there would be a problem building a rig that can take anything he can throw at it. I've talked to him already about it and have gotten out of him that he wants a case with a side window, does not need an optical drive, wants a little RGB lighting but keeping it minimal and tasteful ("classy" as he said), but other than that, that's all the details I've gotten. So he's sort of left it up to me to decide on the components. Was thinking of keeping it compact with at least a micro ATX setup, at least a Ryzen 5, 16gb RAM, 1tb of SSD storage, but I haven't decided on a GPU yet. I like the 1060 in my wife's rig, it performs great for her, but I also like the RX 5700 in my rig, and the 2060's are priced around the same, so I'm up in the air with GPU choice at the moment... So what's some thoughts on a parts list?

Both 3 pin is just for the fan's power. The RGB plug is purely for the RGB lighting.

So yesterday my new GPU came in, an XFX RX 5700 8gb, basic non XT, triple fan cooler. It replace an XFX RX 480 8gb reference style cooler GPU that I had been using for many many years now. Before installation, I checked for the driver downloads and Adrenalin software version. Per AMD's website, it was the exact same version download for both the RX 480 that I already had installed, and the RX 5700 that I was about to install. So I figured it was safe to just swap them out without any driver or software removal and installation. So I did just that. Upon first boot everything seemed to be working well. It was recognized as the 5700, so I jumped straight into a game (GTA-V) to check out the difference in performance. Tweaked all the settings (and by tweaked I mean MAXED OUT lol), and ran the built in benchmark. Benchmark ran through great, so I jumped into a game. About 30 seconds into the game, I got a random solid green screen, no sound output at the time so the game wasn't still running in the background. It was just a hard freeze. It lasted for about 4 or 5 seconds, then the system rebooted itself. Upon reboot I got a notification popup from the task bar icon saying that wattman had reset settings because of a crash or something. I hadn't tweaked any OC settings for the card, never did with the RX 480 either, so I'm not really sure what it "reset". So I decided to try another game. Started up Forza Horizon 4. Played for a solid hour, no issues at all. So I decided to try ANOTHER game. I loaded up Elite Dangerous. Got in and started tweaking settings, and in the middle of adjusting graphics settings, it happened again; green screen freeze and reboot... I don't remember what settings it was in the game menu that I was tweaking at the time, so I'm not sure if that was the cause or not... So upon reboot I decided to do a driver uninstall and reinstall. After that, I hopped into device manager and noticed that there were some unrecognized devices. Some sort of "PCI Encryption/Decryption controller". Pretty sure that after the initial building and driver setup of the system, I checked device manager and didn't see anything like that... Never seen or heard of such a thing ever to be honest, and I've been building and setting up my own PC's since the socket 7 days lol. I just put the system together a couple weeks back, installing all of the drivers and software suites for the motherboard right from it's website, but apparently they didn't quite have everything... I ended up grabbing the B450 chipset drivers directly from AMD, and that cleared those up, no more unrecognized devices. So I restarted the system again for good measure. After the reboot I hopped back into Elite Dangerous, tweaked the settings without any issues, and jumped into game play, where I had no issues for well over an hour of playing. So now the problem seems to be resolved, at least it hasn't happened again anyway, so I'll just have to wait and see if it does happen again. Specs are as follows: Motherboard: Asrock B450m Pro4 CPU: Ryzen 3700X RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32gb 3200 (2x16gb) GPU: XFX RX 5700 8gb Storage: WD Black 500gb NVME M.2, Crucial MX500 1tb SATA SSD PSU: Corsair CX750M Sorry for the long post, just wanted to put my experience out there in case anyone happens to have the same issues with a 5700 series GPU. Maybe someone could give a little more insight as to what's going on, maybe this post will help others that have come across the same issue.

Fantastic. Thank you guys for the assurance! I'll continue to rock it for now! The only other reason I see I might swap boards at any time in the near future is for a full ATX board (since I have the room in the case) to gain some expansion slots if I run into a scenario that I need some, but I don't see that happening If I do, then I might consider one of the other chipsets just to help "future-proof" the rig a little.

Is an Asrock B450m Pro4 holding any performance back from a Ryzen 3700x? Going by specs and compatibility lists, there should be no issues, but I have no way to compare the two myself. I know, I know, very inexpensive board to pair with such a much more expensive CPU, comparatively speaking... Specs are: Motherboard: Asrock B450m Pro4 CPU: Ryzen 3700x RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32gb (2x16gb) 3200 GPU: RX480 8gb (upgrading to an 5700 that should actually be in today according to NewEgg) Storage: WD Black 500gb NVME M.2, Crucial MX500 1tb SATA SSD PSU: Corsair CX750M Running the CPU at stock speeds, and I really don't have an plans on manually overclocking. Coming from an FX 8350 system, at stock speeds the 3700x absolutely blows the old system out of the water, so I'm happy with it's stock speeds at this time. I know I'm not getting PCI-E 4.0 with the B450 platform, which is something that 5700 is spec'ed to, but from the testing videos I've seen that doesn't really seem to make much of a difference, as current GPU's are still not fully saturating PCI-E 3.0 speeds. And my WD Black NVME is only rated to PCI-E 3.0, so there would be no transfer speed benefits there over a B450 platform. I'm also aware that if I ever want to upgrade to a Zen 3 CPU, I'll need to step up to an X570 or B550 platform, but I plan to run this 3700x for a while. I'm not the type that has to have the latest and greatest every year when the next big thing releases, if that's not evident by the fact that up until a couple weeks ago I was still running my FX 8350 that I bought 7 years ago... The system is working great, very snappy and stable, I just wanted to make sure I'm not holding the system back tremendously by pairing the CPU with a lower end motherboard. Honestly my reason for purchasing this board was half because of it's looks... Personally I can't stand the vast majority of these flashy "gamer" motherboards with the crazy heat spreaders and lit up lettering all over them. The Asrock B450m Pro4 was very plan looking, and spec wise it ticked all the boxes of what I was looking for. But If I could gain noticeable performance by stepping up to a B550 or X570 board, that may be something I would consider. But if nothing would change other than the addition of PCI-E 4.0, the ability to upgrade to Zen 3, and possibly some overclocking abilities, then I will just happily keep my B450 platform for now.

I ended up getting everything together the other day. The brackets really made the case look more current. I settled with a blue and red lighting scheme, for now anyhow

Been thinking about taking this a step further 1) I'm going to try to see if I can retrofit my old Cooler Master V8 CPU cooler on my current AM3 build to fit on the AM4 platform, and if I can, then convert it with the same RGB LED's. I already had it apart once before and converted the red LED's to blue to match the rest of the blue lighting inside the build. 2) May open up my Corsair CX750M PSU and put the same RGB LED's in the fan and run a header out of it to control it by the mobo. These PSU's do not originally come with LED's in the fan, however I noticed a long time back when opening it up to do a deep cleaning that it had holes in the fan for 5mm LED's, so I installed blue ones that got their power from the fan's power. Didn't think about it at the time, but the fan never runs at full 100% speed, so they LED's never get enough voltage to even light up... They worked great on the test bench giving the fan full 12v, but when reassembled in the PSU, I have yet to see them come on lol. 3) Thinking about making an extra header extension to run to the outside of the case somehow, so that I can run ambient desk lighting off the same RGB header on the mobo. At this point I might be pushing the circuit a little too far, but I do have a small LED amplifier that's built just for that purpose, that'll let me give a power boost to the circuit and run more off of it.

Lol yeah me either, but at the moment I don't have a whole lot of control with the included controller that's just powered from a SATA power plug. Once I get the new guts installed with the 3700x and it's B450 board (which the mobo should be in today), I'll be able to control the LED's directly from the motherboard's software side for more effects or just a solid color.

Rainbow vomit approved No RGB control on my old AM3 motherboard, so they're just hooked up with the included controller for the time. Will have more control over them once the new hardware is installed. Motherboard should be in tomorrow!

Parts for the rebuild started arriving today, including the fans. Looks like these 3D printed brackets should work out great still no new developments on integrating a filter, but that's no big deal for the time being. Picture 1, the Enermax SquaRGB fans. Picture 2, how they would mount in the original Antec brackets. Notice how much of the RGB ring would be covered up. Picture 3, how I originally designed the mounting hole tabs to stay away from the edges and leave the RGB ring fully exposed. Picture 4 and 5, fan mounted the other way leaves the entire front of the fan exposed. Picture 6, original Antec grills installed onto the new bracket. Picture 7, mock up of the assembly installed into the case. Picture 8, happy coincidence, the RGB ring on the new fans is the same general shape as the top mounted 200mm fan on the 902 case, so it sort of fits the general design

Okay cool, thanks guys! Yeah I've had the fan out in the past more than once for a deep cleaning of the case and fan and just happen to notice that there's just four blue 5mm LED's jammed into holes in the fan to shoot light out into the blades. I think they're just held in place with a dab of hot glue if memory serves me right. Either way, they're very easily swappable. According to the RGB pinout on the motherboard, I need common anode LED's (single 12+ and then the 3 ground signals for RGB color circuits), so those and some 1/4 watt 470 and 560 ohm resistors is what I have coming in (red circuit will take a 560 ohm, and the green and blue circuits will take 470 ohm). I just wanted to check that it was really was as simple as I was thinking it was, that a simple resistor LED circuit on each color output pin will work out just perfect for the motherboard to control.

Working with an older Antec 902 case, it has the 200mm top mounted exhaust fan. The fan has four 5mm blue LED's in it. I'm upgrading the internals to make it more current and I'm also throwing on some 3 wire addressable RGB fans, but I'm also installing some basic 4 wire non addressable RGB strips inside, and thought about converting the 200mm fan to have RGB LEDs in it. From what I can figure out, the 4 pin RGB header on my Asrock B450M Pro4 (and I'm sure this is pretty standardized among motherboards) is configured as 1 pin being the 12+ and the other 3 pins being ground signals to complete the circuit for the RGB colors in the LEDs. And those 3 ground signals send PWM ground pulses to adjust the brightness of each color, but full brightness on any given color would be a direct ground to the circuit. Knowing that, in theory, all that I should have to do is, with a respective resistor on each of the RGB ground leads, create a harness with a 4 pin header on the end that is attached to the bare individual 5mm RGB LED's and install them into the 200mm fan. Seems simple enough, but I cannot find a single instance of anyone ever attempting anything similar, or at least posting about it on the interwebs that I could find. Anyone have any insight? FIY, I'm not all about the case puking a rainbow when done, I just want to have more options than the dim blue lighting in it now. Don't get me wrong, I like the blue, but sometimes I want red, or green, or yellow, or orange, not all at once mind you lol. Heck sometimes I just want them to be off completely, which is not an option with the current configuration. Thanks!

This one is the 902, so not quite as many 5.25 slots as the 1200. Still 9 overall though, so I could fit 3 of these bracket assemblies in with 120mm fans, and that's probably what I'll end up doing. I've only ever had the original 2 adjustable speed fans installed in the front of it. Actually, all the fans in it are still original from when I bought the case new in 2009 if you can believe that! Found some old pictures just for fun. First build in the case, with all of it's Vista goodness Thing was a BEAST at the time. Built it just so I could play GTA IV lol. Here it is 11 years later about to be transplanted with an Ryzen 7 3700x

Preliminary test fit with a random old 120 fan proves the design fits. Just waiting on my new fans to come in! Will likely use the full front face and mount 3 fans in it. Seeing how much room I have, I may play with making a design to allow mounting a pair of 140 fans.

I decided to have a crack at modeling and printing a bracket that will allow me to mount the fans and the original Antec grill inserts, and this first version seems to have come out pretty good. The only downside is that I don't have a way to put a filter on them at the moment, but I may be able to come up with something. Or I may just leave it filterless and live with it, I don't know lol. Now just awaiting the fans to come in so that I can mount them to the brackets and install them! This design took all of about 20 minutes and the print took about a 2 hours. If this one works out good, I'm going to just go ahead and put all 3 fans in the front and get one more to mount in the rear.

I've had my Antec 902 for a while now (since new actually, built an i7 920 system in it with they first released), and I just really like the case. I don't really fell the need to upgrade or change the case at this time, because frankly there's nothing wrong with it. Well I just ordered some long overdue upgrade internals, and I'm looking to at least bring the lighting effects up to speed with some RGB strips for the inside, and I also order a 3 pack of Enermax SquaRGB fans. My intent was to replace all 3 of the 120mm fans in the Antec, as the rear one has started to make noise when it's first powered on and it's rather annoying... While I'm not worried about the rear's install, I don't think the mounting the fans to the front will come out very well. Although they haven't came in yet (just ordered yesterday), after looking at them again, it looks like the RGB ring around the edge of the fan is going to be mostly blocked by the bracket that Antec uses to mount their adjustable speed fans in the 902 (and I'm sure it's the same in the 900 and 1200 series of cases, if any of you have ever tore into one of those). The hole for the airflow in the bracket is just a round hole spaced just for the fan opening. The Enermax SquaRGB fan's LED ring runs around the outside edge of this hole, so I think the majority of the LED ring will be completely blocked on installation. Short of modeling and 3D printing some custom brackets to mount the fans and then allowing me to make some sort of filter to put over them, and still allow me to mount the original Antec honeycomb grills in the front, does anyone know of any ready-made fan mounts that exists that can serve this same purpose? Basically the criteria are: -5.25 drive bay mount (3 bays high) -120mm x 26mm fan size -filter on the intake side (towards the front of the drive bay) -preferably the fan mounts to the bracket from the back side, leaving the front completely exposed to the filter -does not NEED to have a grill, as I could easily reuse the original Antec grill inserts I feel like these seemed to be a lot more popular some years ago lol, like I remember seeing them over over the place back then. But now with most popular cases have a solid or glass front panel and no 5.25 bays to speak of, they seem to have become obsolete and harder to find... I'm not using any optical drives, so I have a full 9 5.25 bays that I can populate with whatever I want! For those that are interested Current specs Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 CPU: AMD FX 8350 RAM: 32gb HyperX Fury DDR3 GPU: 2x XFX RX 480 8gb CPU Cooler: Coolermaster V8 CPU cooler (gen 1) Storage: Crucial 1tb SSD PSU: Corsair 750w Upgrade specs Motherboard: Asrock B450m Pro4 (smaller size for the case, but it will suffice) CPU: Ryzen 3700x RAM: 32gb Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 GPU: carrying over a single RX 480 8gb (turns out that having two was useless... who knew...) CPU Cooler: going to sticking with the stock Wraith Prism that comes with the 3700x for now Storage: WD Black NVME 500gb M.2, also keeping the Crucial 1tb ssd PSU: carrying over the Corsair 750w

I'd dig my other old rig out of the closet with a pair of RX480's in it, but I'm afraid I'll burn the house down...

Hey I get to give my home server's Xeon and Quadro something to do when it's not being used as a game server, file server, or CAD modeling I use to FAH back in like 06-07 with my pitiful socket 478 Pentium 4 and an APG slot GeForce 6200. Safe to say the output was not impressive lol.

I have the same conundrum right now, Wanting to try and use my AMD card for gaming and a Quadro for CAD work on the same system.

I guess I could just put the Quadro through it's paces while it's in the Dell workstation system. I just got it up and running with a Windows 10 install, I would just need to set up the CAD software and load some models up on it. I'm fairly certain that the Xeon that's in it outperforms my FX 8350, so there's that lol. Honestly if there's a chance it would work, I'd probably just throw one of my RX 480's into the workstation with the Xeon and Quadro already in it and see what happens!

This is probably a really dumb idea (and question for that matter), but I'm curious if such a thing would work and if it would even be worth wasting my time on. My current daily use rig has an RX480 8gb in it (technically 2 in crossfire, but that's a waste, and that's a topic for another thread...). I acquired a used Dell workstation rig in an eBay sale that has a Quadro K4000 3gb in it. Aside from gaming on my daily use rig with the RX 480 in it, I'm into CAD work and 3D modeling for my 3D printer. Although the RX480 does it's job, it struggles on the more complex models. I was wondering if the Quadro K4000 could handle the CAD work any better, considering that was it's main target when it was put into production. I know it's an older card, but so is the RX 480 lol. But I was curious to if there would be anything stopping me from running both an RX 480 and the Quadro K4000 in a single system. nVidia and AMD driver conflicts possibly? If it WOULD work, would I need to swap the display plugs between the two card outputs every time I switch from gaming to CAD work in order to actually use the card I intend on putting to work for the task? Or would the system be able to leverage the Quadro K4000's computing when running the display left plugged into just the RX 480? Thanks for any input!