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It is a guess, based on early stage development costs of new tech. Look at google glass, hololens, meta, etc. With enough time and a good manufacturing chain they could probably get it down to 500 dollars by 2020. But they will probably keep it somewhat high tell they get a bit of developer adoption.

@alex73630 posted this on discord, and I thought I would Share it with the forums. https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/consumer-electronics/audiovideo/haptx-inc-reveals-new-haptic-glove-for-virtual-reality https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/20/haptx-gloves-vr/#/ Haptx (formerly AxonVR) has finally publicly showed their haptic VR gloves, which are looking much better then their CES variant. As they say in the ieee article This is a big deal for immersion in VR, and is going to be very useful going forward. I am very excited about this as a VR developer, and can't wait to try them. The one thing I can am worried about is the time it will take for this to get into consumer hands. As I have worked on tech product launch timelines before, I can say that it will take no less than a year to get the cost of the (current) device down to under 2000 dollars, and will more then likely be delayed multiple times due to production issues, and changes in final design. I am guessing the current prototype cost is above 10000 dollars per unit. Though as long as they keep it platform agnostic (vive will be old school by the time it gets to consumer cost) it should work well as a developer and consumer device in the future. Part of the reason I am guessing the cost is so hi is because of the cost of micro-fluidics and micro air engineering is very hi. What do you guys think.

I accidentally made a second thread on this topic, luckily someone quickly spotted that it was a duplicate. So I will repost my insights here. First up, it uses the camera (no had tracking, just the usual blue outline that vive uses for the low power camera view.) I predicted that they would make this about a year ago, and am actually surprised how long it took. I do VR game dev and there are definitely times that having a keyboard would be great. I am actually sad that they are using the vive puck instead of building it into the keyboard itself (which you can do). 100 dollars for the vive tracker plus however much the keyboard costs (bundle is estimated to be $150 ). Current use case that I would love having this keyboard for. 3D modeling (macros) in VR coding in VR web browsing in VR writing in VR searching through files in VR I hope logitech is already working on one with the trackers built in (it would probably lower the price in the long run). Also you wouldn't need to charge two items (tracker, and keyboard). To the LTT forum members, would you use this. If so what for, if not why not.

Drat, didn't see that should have looked harder.

Actually this would be considered mixed reality, and more specifically be Augmented Virtuality. this article explains it well https://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2017/05/13/microsoft-insists-calling-ar-vr-mixed-reality-maybe/

Saw that this hasent be posted to the forums yet. https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/3/16602674/logitech-bridge-sdk-htc-vive-tracker-keyboard https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/03/logitech-and-htc-vive-bring-keyboards-into-vr/ and here is the vive blog post https://blog.vive.com/us/2017/11/02/introducing-the-logitech-bridge-sdk/ HTC and Logitech have partnered to make a keyboard that you can use in VR. I predicted that they would make this about a year ago, and am actually surprised how long it took. I do VR game dev and there are definitely times that having a keyboard would be great. I am actually sad that they are using the vive puck instead of building it into the keyboard itself (which you can do). 100 dollars for the vive tracker plus however much the keyboard costs (bundle is estimated to be $150 ). Current use case that I would love having this keyboard for. 3D modeling (macros) in VR coding in VR web browsing in VR writing in VR searching through files in VR I hope logitech is already working on one with the trackers built in (it would probably lower the price in the long run). Also you wouldn't need to charge two items (tracker, and keyboard). To the LTT forum members, would you use this. If so what for, if not why not. also @LinusTech Ask logitech if you can test one out.

Was just checking one of my news feeds and saw something that I think might interest some people here https://www.vrroom.buzz/vr-news/products/get-sneak-peek-vuzix-ar-smartglasses-demo Video on Youtube Although as it says I think it is one of the better videos showcasing the Blade. I can personally attest to the quality, as I tried the blade at CES 2017, and at a few other events, It is definitely a step up from google glass, even though it is running the same software framework. Though the battery life is still quite small. Out of all the AR headsets I have tried (that I can talk about, and will be available in the next year or so), this is the one with the most appeal to the general consumer. Do you people think this could be the product that helps re-kickstart AR (after the google glass chaos).

I think some of you might find this quite interesting. https://nerdist.com/wall-of-lava-lamps-protect-internet-traffic/ I knew that a lot of crypto companies use analog methods to create a part of each key, but I didn't know Cloudflare uses lava lamps. If that isn't retro cyberpunk, then I don't know what is. I think this is quite a great way to do crypto, and it also shows how easy it can be to make your own personal crypto key setup, I think I would personally use a few layers of analog (camera looking through a kaleidoscope, and the kaleidoscope looking at a lava lamp, and each image is modified by a audio stream from a microphone outside my window by a tree). What do other people think of this?

Just noticed this a few minutes ago. http://www.pcgamer.com/leaked-photos-show-an-intel-nuc-with-kaby-lake-cpu-and-vega-gpu/ I already guessed AMD x Intel was going to go after small form factor to combat MXM on Nvidia, but I did not think it would be so soon. As Pc gamer Said, As I said in the post I was writing about VR a few minutes ago, this will help bring down the cost of VR significantly in the long run as small form factor designs lower the cost of VR backpacks. I also think this will cause Nviidia to double down on MXM form factor cards, which will make laptops and small form factor desktops much cheaper to upgrade (currently upgrading my Sager SLI laptop from dual GTX 765M's to GTX 980M's would cost $1000 dollars at the very least (dual 1080's draw to much power as LTT has shown (I am not carrying another 3 pound power brick))). Also based on the NUC specs, it should be able to drive current gen VR. This has become the age of mini computers, but none have nearly enough RGB. @LinusTech Have Luke build a new VR backpack with one of these NUC's, and RGB!

I have a bit of insight To hopefully help answer the last question , It is a bad buy, unless you already have a current gen VR device, and are planning to skip the stuff about to launch. There are two reasons for this, the first is that the next vive and rift will be wireless variants with slightly improved hardware, and a "hopefully" lower cost. And any next gen wired versions will be to much for the the TPcast. I am guessing it can't even sustain the new Samsung mixed reality odyssey as it has 1440 x 3200 (1440x1600) at 90hz. next vive https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/14/16648112/htc-vive-focus-standalone-headset-announced-daydream-cancelled next rift https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/12/16463844/oculus-santa-cruz-standalone-headset-prototype-hands-on I help with VR dev in silicon valley sometimes, and most of us agree that if cord cutting matters, VR backpacks are better for the time being, (especially if you are planing to get a computer specific for VR and want to use multiple headsets). But wait a few more months, CES will bring a lot of new stuff and costs of VR should drop significantly by summer 2018, especially if nvidia doubles down on MXM cards to combat intel + AMD small form factor stuff. first look AMD x INTEL http://www.pcgamer.com/leaked-photos-show-an-intel-nuc-with-kaby-lake-cpu-and-vega-gpu/ current best VR backpack http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/vrbackpack/overview.html this thing is nuts. 32gb RAM, i7 pro 7th gen, and a nvidia Quadro p5200 (16 GB video RAM) I really hope HP sends LTT one soon.

Here are some of the current articles released by Ars technica, on this issue. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/crypto-failure-cripples-millions-of-high-security-keys-750k-estonian-ids/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/how-the-krack-attack-destroys-nearly-all-wi-fi-security/ This is going to last a long time, as most devices currently use WPA2 as the standard crypto these days, and there are many ways this attack can be used. Guess we are going back to handing off and shipping encrypted USB drives for a while. Also a bit of further reading will show this actually also can hurt the security of VPN's, as now closed internet can be opened. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/even-with-a-vpn-open-wi-fi-exposes-users/