road warrior

Hi everyone. I read, edit, summarize, present.... numerous documents due to work. I want to do sketching and handwriting on a tablet. Without too much lag and too less precision. I also like reading on the road from my devices, unfortunately my current phone is too small for this business and it is not old enough to justify a change. The tablet doesn't need to have a very strong cpu/gpu. I want to be able to do mainly light tasks without carrying my laptop around and increase my productivity for my hobbies. So, I need a tablet that meets following requirements: - No less than 9 inches - Supports pen and keyboard - Full workday battery life under mixed usage - Good speakers (for a tablet) for occasional video/audio consumption - Screen should be easy on eyes but doesn't have to have top notch color reproduction or coverage - Must be cheaper than giants like ipad pro, surface pro, latest Samsung tablets... - A bit anti-reflective coating and good brightness levels - Good build quality, material type is not very important unless they use poisonous chemicals easily dispersing around Here is the nice-to-have list: - Top-of-the-line wireless and Lte connectivity - Usb type c - Fast charging capability - High pixel density/good resolution Thanks in advance.

@Pendragon It's not my dream lol, I need tons of cpu power not crippled ulv's. It was just an idea and honestly I'm not a huge fan of it because I see this approach as just an analogue of max-q gpu's. Price is same, performance is less... Might be attractive to certain people, but not for the most. Also that was an idea only taking into account thin and light laptops, not clevo. Thin stuff from clevo is also subject to heat issues as far as I know, but not sure. An i5 mobile is much better than a quad-ulv imo considering all. Especially the new 6-core ones will crush ulv's any time of the day. Probably they will be around 35w you mentioned. So, better all the way unless coupled with a very bad cooling system. Lastly, thanks for the explanation.

I remember sending a post similar to this one several weeks ago. The point there was coupling a stronger 28 W quad-core ulv (or a ulv with tdp-up) with a 1050 or 1060 at most for people who don't need the power (and heat) of stronger cpu's and also for some reason want to have good graphics power. Also looked into prices and apparently there was not much price difference between u and hq series mobile cpu's, which is not a very good thing for the sake of price/performance. Still, that seems to be an option for thin&light laptops until they bring forth more efficient cooling solutions that can handle stronger cpu's. Early benchmarks show that some of the new ulv chips are almost equal with a 7300hq, if you believe that. I read somewhere about a new Lenovo Legion with 8550u and RX 560 or something like that. But I should say that a quad-core ulv might prove to be a bottleneck even for a 1060 for some scenarios, let alone 1070/1080 max-q. Can @sicily428 @ZM Fong @Imglidinhere @Blackhole890 or whoever knows this stuff explain me why a u-series cpu can reach its designated turbo boost within designated power limits but can't hold it? Is it because of something like thermal throttling or is there some specific hard/software stuff that I miss?

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I'd stay away from ux501 or 510 or whatever combination of numbers and letters that thing has. Because it is too expensive for what it hides inside -you'd end up with a 960m . Today! About battery life, MBP 15, XPS 15, Aero 15 all have good battery life. Build-wise, only some business class machines match or pass MBP. And they generally don't come with a strong processor. But MBP runs hot, xps and aero have better graphics units and they are surely not bad-built ones. You should deal with potential QC problems with xps and keyboard ghosting with aero, if choose one of them. Both will be hot to some degree, though Aero is a bit better. Also, Aero 15's screen is worse than the others afaik. About eGPU, I don't think that concept has enough maturity from performance and price perspectives. Pricey: You will buy a good laptop, egpu dock w/ a good graphics card, and a good big screen if you don't already have one. Bad performer: It won't utilize the full might of your gpu. But if you're content with such things, you're good to go. For this route, best thing is to buy a well built laptop w/ strong processor and integrated graphics (to cut price) imo.

Just clearing things up, I said nothing about gpu's. The term "Max-Q approach" I used was only meant for cpu's to describe what I think by linking it to an already known thing. Anyway... @Pendragon the idea just popped into my head after seeing 7567u: 3.5 ghz single core up to 4 ghz turbo performance and 28w TDP. For sure not all u series are like that one which is probably best of the bunch. You're right to doubt whether any of ulv cpu's could hold turbo. Either way, I discovered my premise is a bit off because there is not much price difference between u- and hq-series chips. So, even if there was a ulv 4 core that is good enough for 1060, price difference would be negligible at best. Well, if it isn't Max-Q cpu, @ZM Fong Thank you both for the answers.

It depends on the companies for the most part. But max-q is not the right answer to solve "overheating in a thin body problem" as I read. It also make things even more expensive for less performance. U-series cpu's, on the other hand, MAY BE a bit less expensive than hq stuff. I don't know. And if a strong enough upcoming 4 core ulv cpu can carry 1060 on shoulders, than using that cpu might be a better way to blow away the heat. With the added benefit of sending away the unneeded power (for some people) of a "possibly" more expensive hq cpu.

Well, I know about them of course, as a person who is waiting for an Aero 15. What I'm asking, can the upcoming 4 core i7 ULV's (named coffee lake or cannonlake) go along well with a 1060? For an even cooler and quieter experience? Will they be too weak for 1060? I am aware that we may not yet fully know their capabilities. We can maybe draw some conclusions by looking into Kaby Lake ulv's. It's just a "what if" question.

Hi everyone. Today, I, as a person who don't really know much about laptops, will share an output of my wishful thinking process with you. TL;DR: read bold and underlined text only. Story goes like this: Many people including me want a good built thin and light all-rounder machine with a dGPU. As a matter of fact, such a setup will generally include a x700 hq cpu + 10x0 gpu and they will cause overheating in that body easily. Results vary from throttling to short life expectancy. Another problem, most people, don't include me this time , won't even need that much processing power in an expensive package to begin with. A mid-range cpu would be enough for them. They just don't care about FPS or stuff like that; only want to play their games at good settings if not max and expect their game would be playable with those settings. So, a weaker processor could do the trick for them. I know there is 7300hq inside of some laptops. But that one still has a TDP of 45w which means it also causes overheating. Well, obvious solution is upgrading the cooling. But I think there may be another way similar to but not hopefully as bad as Max-Q approach. As you know, Intel will increase core count of the ulv processors. So we will see 4 core low voltage cpu's shortly. Do you think successors of i7 ulv's will have enough horsepower to be exchanged with 7300hq or even 7700hq - which isn't really needed but people inevitably ended up with? 7567u for example, has a great single core performance (4ghz turbo) and it's TDP is around 25w I think. Not so weak, eh? Maybe they make a new convertible or 2in1 with one of the stronger 4 core i7 ulv's and put a 1050-1050Ti 4GB or 1060 inside? 1-2 TB3 port, 8-16 GB RAM and one more empty slot, a good pen, two storage slots and we're good to go. Just wishful thinking. But you never know, maybe they will do it. If one can wait long enough So, what do you think? Could such a processor drive a 1060 without being too much of a bottleneck? And without any overheating if put in today's machines?

@Jacey for cad 2000 it might be a bit hard to get a decent laptop + a good graphics card + egpu dock itself. What about Yoga 720 15 inch? I assume it's bigger than what you may like, though. It is not a premium convertible as its price suggests and has it's flaws - like all others. With 1050 2GB you can play all current games, though not at max or high settings for some. Heat could be an issue. It also supports active pen so good for drawing and all. You should read reviews and owner's comments thoroughly before deciding, of course.

Here you go from the horse's mouth: https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Best-Notebooks-for-Teenagers-and-University-Students.125653.0.html Hope that helps...

Thanks for the reply. I agree except Razer being a good pick. Well, at least that's what I've read about this year's model almost everywhere. It doesn't worth the premium they charge seemingly. If you're looking for a similar one, I also suggest you to check Gigabyte Aero(s), P950HP6, and Yoga 720 15 inch even though 2 GB VRAM on this one makes me disinclined. About GS series, I sure liked it but -please correct me if this is wrong- MSI cut corners in important places like screen, speakers, and overall build quality as most reviewers agreed on. When I pay that much, I expect the thing worth it, that's why I've started to look for a little thicker but better built and cooled laptops as possible alternatives. 16-17 mm? Sure, pretty and portable as a romance book but what will you do when the love burns you? 23-24 mm is acceptable enough from thinness perspective imo. And if I can't afford an Aero 15 or something tameable like that, I wonder which thicker one may present an alternative. Oh, and Asus made a new Zenbook Pro to be released soon. That one seems pretty good, but will too overheat under load possibly. Can't say for sure of course and hope to be proven wrong.

Thanks for the mini review Features are great, laptop looks plain enough. But 1070 is somewhat overkill for me, I'm not an enthusiast gamer. If I can catch a great discount, I could jump on one though This one is also out of budget, but I can take it into my secondary list given that Aero 15 is also expensive. If heat really is not a problem, P35 can be one of the greatest laptops of Pascal era imho. Let us know if you run the test please

Fantastic job indeed. Do you think temps will be good enough with undervolting only?

Undervolting seems to be the way to go for me if I get a very thin laptop. I can repaste with a non-conductive compound also if warranty is not an issue. Afraid of using liquid metal tbh, lol. Aero 15 is a bit more expensive than I'm willing to spend without a discount. Anyway, we'll see. The thing is, will these run cool out of the box or at least after undervolting? I'd rather have a bit thicker last-longing machine even if it is a little less powerful than a strong thin one with tons of compromises.