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2 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Always use the fastest drive as your boot.

Using a slower drive as boot makes no sense to me, as some files will be copied to the boot drive for caching or preprocessing.

Seems like the MX500 is slightly faster than the WD Blue 3D, so looks like I'll go with that.

Hi all,

Currently I've got a 500GB MX500, a 250GB 850 Evo and a 2TB WD Blue coming along in the next couple days. I'm planning of just putting the MX500 as a boot drive when I reinstall my operating system and having the 2TB WD Blue as my game drive and retiring the Evo (bought in 2017).

Is this a good setup? Is it worth doing an NVMe boot drive?
 

Any help is appreciated.

7 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

a CX450 if you want it to last and manage your future upgrades.

Would probably opt for a CX 550W, for some reason, Corsair only opted for a single PCIe 8pin power cable for the 450W model.

8 hours ago, hello_there_123 said:

Most people over at bapo are braindead and resistant to change, lol. This post, especially the Seasonic part wouldn't go over very well for them...

 

Besides PSA's aren't allowed at r/buildapc

You can say that again, especially if anyone talks badly about Seasonic/EVGA. They do allow PSAs, but they do not get pinned, so probably it would be top of the sub for a couple weeks, maybe that is enough?

But if you do convince yourself to post on reddit to teach those braind-dead-plebs, I will heavily support you.

If you do not want to bother, if you give me your permission, I can do it on your behalf.

I know the Buildapc Reddit is unrelated to this forum. But a post like this would do wonders there.

2 hours ago, FALC0N said:

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The f14lab review demonstrates high load on 12v and low load on minor deviating the 12v rail by .367v, not great performance by any stretch of the imagination, and these results are consistent with other reviews.

OPP of the unit doesn't even work properly, in Computerbase DE's testing, when OPP kicked in the 12v rail was as low as 8.7v.

So what is certain, the GB Bronze platform flops during protection tests, and cross-load testing it flops (which is expected for a group regulated units). Whilst other performance is decent, the previous two issues make it an instant no-buy for me.

EDIT:

More Seasonic GB Bronze platforms failing: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/antec-hcg-620/7.html

This time, the 5v rail goes out of spec on high minor rail load. High 12v rail with low minor gives a near -0,4 voltage deviation. It also fails during transient response tests.

I'd hate to be the one to say that x reviews are invalid, but generally the reviews that feature protections testing tend to have more weight. Because a unit can perform fine, but lacking certain protections, or those protections not working is a deal-killer.

3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Then name it, so I can see the specs, warranty, look for a review to see if they use debatable Chinese capacitors inside or not, if it's sleeve fan or something better... i'd trade dc-dc for a good ball bearing or fluid dynamic bearing and taiwanese/japanese capacitors any day.

System Power 9 400W, bottom left of the first screen shot, which might I add is cheaper than any GB Bronze platform units you had listed.

50 minutes ago, FALC0N said:

It's not the EVO.  That came out in 2013, but the performance is very similar.  I'm not sure exactly what they did, but the voltage regulation seems to have been tuned up a bit.  There are a LOT of M12II/S12II reviews out there but only a couple done of the M12II after the release of the EVO.  Here is one in Chinese from 2013 that covers the EVO:

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.expreview.com%2F26961-3.html

 

Here is another from 2018. 

 

http://www.f14lab.com/2018/01/review-seasonic-m12ii-evo-620-beta.html?m=1

 

 

 

Nothing gives me a chub more than group regulation units having semi-decent regulation then getting absolutely shit on cross loads.

8 hours ago, FALC0N said:

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Seasonic GB Bronze:

XFX XT:

Please, before you continue, observe the above.

14 hours ago, FALC0N said:

 

 

I probably should have warned you that there is an active group of Seasonic M12II haters on this board. I have no idea how this started, but most of them just repeat the same three talking points over and over and have no idea whether its good or not. The M12II a very good budget PSU and very reliable.  Seasonics reputation for reliability is in no small part based on this units long term performance. It has anchored their low to mid range offerings for 15 years.

So are you going to provide a source or just do a fanboy screech? Reee, these people hate this unit because its actually trash, how dare they insult my senpai Seasonic.

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-07/cooler-master-cougar-xfx-zalman-netzteil-test/

That is a review of the XFX XT Bronze, based on the very Seasonic GB Bronze platform the M12II used, and the original S12 used back in 2009. 

Most notably in that review is that cross loads put the voltage out of specification (i.e the every day load), and lacks OTP (and doesn't have any pseudo implementation of it).

It doesn't take a genius to understand something that is a decade old is not a good fit for modern systems, like how you wouldn't match a GTX 280 with a Ryzen 5, but I might retract that comment due to this circumstance.

55 minutes ago, FALC0N said:

The TXm is a excellent recommendation, but putting the MWE in the same category is nonsense.  Too many corners cut with components.  And just because you are old doesn't mean you aren't good.  I would take the M12II or the S12II over the MWE gold in a heartbeat.

Ha

Just now, OrionFOTL said:

Thanks! Indeed they did.

So what's the chances of the platform, I am betting its not going to be a custom design with EVGAs history. And judging by the current FSP platforms quality doesnt look spectacular.

@OrionFOTL @LukeSavenije

The report on the release of the unit (GD, 2019) reported the OEM as FSP from Tomshardware Computex reporting in May.

22 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

i wish for it... but i literally don't know anything about it as of right now

 

the old gd was a non-modular GQ

So its an FSP unit, and judging by its current price point and existing 80+ Gold FSP platforms it doesn't look great.

8 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

The CX (non-modular) is better than the CX-M anyways!  So I'm glad that's an option.

 

The CX has a resonant mode front end and DC to DC for the +3.3V and +5V rails.

 

The Antec is an older CWT GPK platform.  It's double forward and doesn't have DC to DC.

 

Pretty cut and dry choice between the two if they're the same price.  But I imagine the Antec is probably about $5 cheaper.

 

I believe the new Neo Eco is a Focus platform based unit. 

Focus Plus @ Tomshardware

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-ssr-750fx-focus-plus-750-gold-psu,5206-3.html

NeoEco @ X Fastest News 

https://news.xfastest.com/review/review-focus/44260/antec-neoeco-gold-650w-review/

Can't do direct image links because I'm on mobile sorry.

Do we have any information on the GD (2019, August). I've seen it pop up recently at a really low price.

On 8/30/2019 at 9:53 AM, jonnyGURU said:

LOL! What did I say?!?!

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Man you are not having any luck with people these days. Thats two times now.

1 hour ago, LienusLateTips said:

It's not the brand. It's the model. The BQ has subpar electrical performance and iirc out of spec inrush performance, which can lead to component failure quite quickly.

Also 40dB idle noise for the BQ.

11 hours ago, Froody129 said:

I actually quite like Defender. I've had Norton and McAfee in the past and I just don't see the point of an AV where using it presents the same symptoms as a virus-filled computer. I do still sometimes use things like Malwarebytes though. 

 

Of course, I'm a pretty 'safe' PC user. I have a VPN for when it's necessary and my browsing habits don't include super dodgy sites. 

I can attest to this, I had Trend Micro on my main PC and it gave me huge latency spikes when opening any file / web-page.

From what I have noticed with my 3600 on a NH-D15S is that some monitoring software appear to the CPU as a workload and the CPU boosts, causing a high idle temperature. I went from using HWINFO to Ryzen Master and my temps went from 40-50C to 28-35C with occasional spikes to 45C when a background process was doing something.

With a pretty lax fan profile (CPU fan speed and case fan speed does not go above 60%) I get 60-70C while gaming and 75C max on realbench stress test.

If anyone is having issues with temperatures, I emplore you to lower PPT by 10-15W (88W is default), in my case, it lowered temperature by 10C and only took a 100 MHz hit to clockspeed. Lowering PPT as some of you may already know is more effective than undervolting and less of a hassle generally. You can easily get 3.6 GHz on a PPT of 44-50W.

TL;DR

- Reduce PPT by 10W or so to reduce CPU temperatures

- Only use CPU-Z + Ryzen master to monitor temperatures - All other software is percieved as a work load

- Stock cooler is not great (its only the wraith stealth, not the spire), the 8700 also had issues with the stock cooler being shite for boosting

2 hours ago, OrionFOTL said:

You mean like two people already did before you? 

Forgive me, I have sudden moments of shit to the brain. More often than others some may say.

On 7/20/2019 at 7:05 PM, Trilex said:

yes upgrade, you can get better performance by overclocking cpu and gpu, btw 550 watt psu is a liitle bit bad for a system like that espically a high end one, what specs, RGB? Get a more reputable brand like seasonic, evga etc NOT superflower. i have never heard of and i wouldnt trust my $$$$ pc with the cheapo PSU 

Should I tell him that Superflower makes the majority of EVGA units?

6 hours ago, APasz said:

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This is a help fourm, if you are going to spread mis-information and make jokes, you don't belong here... Sorry.

>Buys 10k PC

>Proceeds to karma whore on reddit

>Spams the same post on r/pcmasterrace

>Gets called out for karma whoring

>Muh reddit is toxic

Are you serious right now? Are you sure you aren't the toxic one?

5 minutes ago, Bishi said:

I got a Vega 64 i7 2600, and on AMD's website it recommended a 750W psu

Since you are running a quad core CPU, I reckon you would be able to run your build on 600-650W easily. I would recommend going with the TXM 650W or the Bitfenix Formula Gold, the latter has no modular cables, but it performs well for a cheaper unit comparatively. I cannot see myself really recommending the G1+ as it has some issues.