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4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

when the research papers say that 60% of cases are directly after a respiratory infection and most of the rest are after some other major infection

What research papers?  You still haven't linked me anything stating that.

4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

You claimed they were just saying stuff,  either read what they are saying and find evidence it's all made up to avoid legal trouble or stop making claims about such organisations.

Do you REALLY think that's going to be disclosed in paper?

4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

That's it,  you get GBS 14 days after a vaccine. Last time I looked we call that anecdotal evidence, you cannot claim causation from what is observational in a small number of experiences/cases. 

You are obviously not reading everything else that I said.  The doctors who treated me (and several others) have stated that the vast majority of patients who got GBS recently had a vaccine, so it's more then a "small number" of cases.

7 minutes ago, mr moose said:

That someone likely (read; most likely in most cases) gets all their information from the same research publications.

So you're saying that doctors don't use personal experience to make any calls?  That they all just go by the book?  That sounds rather insulting to medical professionals. 

8 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Now we have established where treating doctors get their information from and have presented some of the publications here, what are you going to argue next?  That the lancet et al are paid off by "BIG PHARMA"? 

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case honestly.  Call me a tin foil hatter, I really don't care what you think about me.

You spend over a year in rehab and see the disgusting amount of legal cover ups and then you may see my point of view, and this is coming from someone who isn't strictly anti vax.  All I said is that vaccines like all medications have the potential to cause side effects, some of them severe, and that everyone should be well informed of the potential side effects before they agree to put something in their body, and maybe, just MAYBE not go all out auto attack someone who decides not to get vaccinated. 

And instead you decide to make claims that you cannot back up, and get in an argument with me over me being skeptical of said claims.

11 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Knock yourself out, I am sure you can look up all the citations they provide. 

None of those are towards GBS.

13 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Did you know that doctors aren't allowed to say anything unless there is sufficient evidence to back it up?   That is exactly what I expect from a doctor, I do not want a doctor guessing about my illness.  

The incubation period for GBS is about 14 days, I got a vaccine and around 2 weeks later started showing signs of weakness, I got a spinal tap to confirm that I was indeed suffering from GBS, and I got an antibody blood test indicating that I recently received a vaccine.  So if all of that isn't sufficient evidence to back it up, what is?

15 minutes ago, mr moose said:

So you first claim that you'd take the word of treating doctors because they know better than  the NINDS, 

I would trust someone with the actual experience of treating said disease over an entity that is probably in the pocket of big pharmaceutical companies, yes.

10 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

So even if you're saying it's "illegal" for them to say it was caused by vaccines as a fact?

Well, that law prevented me from getting any kind of compensation from the injury.  A doctor needs to sign saying that they have reason to believe that said reaction was caused by a vaccine. 

All of the doctors who treated me refused to sign it in fear of loosing their job.

That was the point which I was trying to make, but I guess you're caught up in something else.

12 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

even if all of your assumptions and arguments are correct

I really don't care whether you believe me or not.  I'm not here to change anyone's mind, I'm just sick of people mocking others for making a choice to not vaccinate.  It disgusts me.

5 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

I wouldn't want a doctor saying with absolute certainty that it was caused by vaccines, because it's impossible for them to accurately say "for a fact" that it was vaccine related.

Yet there isn't strong legal ramifications if they do so on non vaccine related illnesses. 

It isn't a means to keep the doctors in check from an ethical standpoint, it's a liability standpoint.

52 minutes ago, mr moose said:

They are treating doctors. Their sole purpose is to research these types of diseases and make life better for everyone.

Did you know that the doctors that treat GBS patents aren't allowed to say for a fact that it was vaccine related?

All That they are legally allowed to say is that someone had a vaccine that was around a time period that would like up with the reaction. 

So forgive me if I'm skeptical of that statement.  I want research papers.  Everything else is dribble. 

6 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

So, I'm not discounting your experiences. Nor am I saying there are no risks. I'm saying the risks are small, and that people need to VERY CAREFULLY weigh all information, including the risk assessment.

That's pretty much what I said, that people should have all of the information and make an informed decision, so I don't know why we are even having this debate now.

2 hours ago, mr moose said:

That's basically lifted straight form the National institute of neurological disorders and stroke.   Given it seems to be triggered by the immune system reacting to an infection, it stands to reason that a vaccine has a chance to set it off,  but we are talking in orders of magnitude less than any other viral infection. 

Again, that's just a website stating that without having any research papers hacking it up.  So I'll take the words of the doctors that treat patients who have suffered from GBS over that.

27 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

What is the mayo clinic and what makes them bad (in a non-argumentative sort of way)? I ask because my aunt has been there a lot, and they claimed she was at risk of dying if not for the meds she's on now (no idea what she takes right now, she hasn't told anyone). She has a fuckton of health problems, but the whole family thinks a good portion of it is psychosomatic.

Nothing inherently wrong with them, I just knew he would link it because it says this.

It emphasizes that vaccination is one of the rarer ways to get it, but it has no evidence that backs up those claims. 

17 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Not a research paper (I don't have time right now to do the research... pun intended), but:

I knew that you would link mayo clinic. 

That doesn't count.  My rehab hospital gets sent GBS patients all the time, they specialise in neurological injuries. 

Out of the 4 other GBS patients, there was only one who didn't recently get a vaccine. 

They said that the vast majority of GBS patients received a vaccine.  I'll take their words over yours.  And to be frank, most studies as well.

17 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Getting GBS from a vaccination is very rare
In very rare cases, someone may develop GBS in the days or weeks after getting a vaccination. In 1976, there was a small increased chance of GBS after getting a flu (swine flu) vaccination. This means about 1 more case per 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine.

I never said that it wasn't rare to get it from a vaccine, I just don't think you have a higher chance of getting it from the common cold.

17 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

For the most part, the chance of getting very ill from flu is far higher than the chance of getting GBS after getting the flu vaccine.

That's not saying that you are more likely to get GBS from the flu, it's saying that you're more likely to get real sick from the flu yhen get GBS from a vaccine. 

And I'm inclined to agree.  One problem with that though, I had pneumonia before.  It was far more pleasant then GBS.  I'll take pneumonia any day.

4 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

And those kinds of complications are indeed disclosed on every vaccine insert. Ideally your doctor should go through the insert with you though.

It wasn't disclosed to me.  Just a "you really should get vaccinated" then they bring out the needle before I could make a decision.  I felt rather forced into it to be frank.

Needless to say, I choose not to vaccinate myself, bolth me and my brother suffered from GBS the same year which I know is unheard of but it's the truth. 

No entity should force anyone into doing anything with their bodies, and I feel like people should be informed about the potential risks, and no, doctors don't disclose GBS as a potential risk.

4 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

But, you have to consider that getting the actual Flu has a higher chance of giving someone Guillain-Barre syndrome than the vaccine itself does.

Says who?  I want actual research papers on the topic. 

The last time I brought this up on these fourms, I was given shit for it, but I find it relevant. 

I was paralyzed from a flu vaccine, I lost the ability to walk, my job, and pretty much everything else other then faimly, I was not given financial compensation either.  Said reaction is known as Guillain-Barre syndrome.  Vaccines are known to cause it, and I was a rather severe case, I spent over a year in rehab and was released wheelchair bound.  I am mostly better now, years later still a bit weak but still getting stronger as well.  But I will never get a vaccine ever again, and I tell my story to others because I feel like they should be informed. 

I am not an antivaxxer, but like all medications, they have potential side effects that should be disclosed, and no one should be attacked for choosing to not be vaccinated. 

TLDR, let the anti vaxxers do what they want with their own body and stop fucking attacking them for it.  There are legit reasons for choosing not to be vaccinated. 

LGBT approved French press. 

I put an aio in a freezer once, the fluid froze but it didn't split open the radiator due to the glycol mixture in it.

I know that's not really the same as pressure, but unless it's extreme, I don't think anything would happen. 

34 minutes ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

It was just two cosplayers that made a parody video.

The real tragedy is that's not cannon. 

13 hours ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

I bet she would like to look into this research.

Ok, I'm not that big of a star wars fan so I demand answers.  Does darth maul have a yandere girlfriend?

Tagging @LinusTech because I want to see this happen. 

Light saber dildos?

@firelighter487 @TopHatProductions115

4 minutes ago, Tog Driver said:

Welcome to the forum by the way.

Oh, yeah.  @RoseLuck462 Welcome!

3 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

I wouldnt be the one to lick it

Liar

9 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

dont worry let me help you push it further off the rails:

Do you think Vegeta's hair smells like lemons when in super sayian?

5 minutes ago, floofer said:

I've never bought blue curaco, but Vodka depends. $40 for absolut (But I buy from the duty free 2 for $65) [In NZD, which is 0.65 USD]

Blue curacao is about 10 dollars a bottle here, but your vodka seems a bit expensive where you're at.

I just derailed my own thread talking about alcohol...

3 minutes ago, floofer said:

IDK Limes cost a bit much to be made into an -ade here. Its like $33 a kilo.

Jesus, they are a lot of times cheaper then lemons here in burgerland.

But like I said, it can be made with either.  How expensive is vodka and blue curacao there?

3 minutes ago, floofer said:

Lime is best served with salt and tequila

I like blue lagoons personally.  Can be made with either Lemonade or Limeade.  Lemonade is the traditional way to make it though. 

Edit: I suppose that semi applies to @Triventular's comment as well, since they are, well, blue. 

Nuff said.  Which tangy drink is your favorite?