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  1. The problem is that I have never had a good time selling my computer stuff to anyone other than family, in person or online. I have asked some people I know if they are interested but have gotten only vague answers. Furthermore, I am only interested in getting a new system if it has thunderbolt3 but am limited to either a mini-itx board or expensive AF Threadripper motherboard with AMD and I do not need the processor speed to justify the price of the latter. I have heard some very hit or miss reports on AICs for AMD motherboards with headers, I have even seen some claims that the Gigabyte Titan Ridge does not need a header to work but overall I want to avoid them because they seem spotty at best. What the future may hold, I have no clue as I have yet to see what board venders have in store for the next generation of Ryzen but given the low adoption rate at the moment I am not holding my breath but am still hoping to be surprised. I have no idea what is going on over at Intel right now, I have not kept up with them in a long time and just spitballed a build without doing proper research hoping to achieve a decent price to features range. P.S. It may seem petty that I am obsessing over TB3 but I already have a few devices (such as the Cintiq HD16) that are much more convenient to use with TB3 and since I want to transition over to the desktop from my laptop as I learn Linux I want to have that convenience move with me. Something that I am willing to sacrifice with the vastly cheaper upgrade to a 6950x which if I can overclock to over 4GHZ I could come close to the single-core performance of the 8850H in my laptop that has not left me wanting in either Zbrush or Substance Painter during heavy CPU operations. Problem is that I will hit the limit of what the system can provide. If I was confident that I could sell most of my previous hardware and not tear my hair out with low-ballers, non-stop messaging, insults, postage screwing up my shipment in the computer, etc I would be far more receptive to the idea of building a new system but I do not believe that I would have a very smooth time. I was already planning on selling my old w9100, I guess I could use it as a litmus test but I have little confidence.
  2. What a weird title. Hello there LTT forums! I need some help here and I am sure that I probably know what the answer is already but I feel the need to have someone slap me in the face with some hard, scaly, fishy truth. At least Sea Bass sized, no Lake Sturgeons!!! Here is the TL;DR version: Can I overclock either a 5960x or 6950x for 255 and 430 dollars CAD respectively to compete with a Ryzen 7 3700x and keep my old workstation relevant and also capable of handling 2 top of the line RTX cards for productivity purposes? The long, did read version: After deciding that an eGPU for my laptop did not meet my needs I tried pricing out a brand new 3D GPU rendernode that could support 2 RTX 3080 20GB or 2 RTX 3090s NVLinked together that would also double as a platform for practicing Linux in order to transition over to it as my primary workstation. Unfortunately I could not make it work without sending the price out of control but decided to sacrifice my want/need of Thunderbolt3 for the cost savings of upgrading my former workstation/current rendernode with a watercooled 5930K OCed to 4.2GHZ for either a 5960x for 255 CAD or a slightly damaged but working 6950x for 430 CAD plus shipping. If I were to add a large m.2 ssd and 6950x I would be paying less than 800 dollars compared to the 2000-2200 dollars I would be paying for a brand new AMD or Intel platform with all of the features and I/O I wanted and needed respectively. Before the price of the two cards of course. The used and cosmetically damaged 6950x costs around the same as a new Ryzen 7 3700x but seems to have 25% less performance per core ( https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-list/cinebench-r20-scores ) but nearly identical multicore score. If I can overclock all of the cores to 4GHZ on my Asus Rampage V USB 3.1 I could come close to the multicore score of the AMD chip in Cinebench r15 (which it loses to otherwise for some reason) at the cost of much more heat and a higher power-draw. If I go with the much cheaper and fully intact 5960x I could potentially overclock it to 4.3-4.5GHZ and close the single-core gap even more with less power-draw but sacrifice the multicore performance. My intent is to use it firstly as a rendernode as well as a remote GPU accelerator over a 10GB network for my workstation laptop but eventually transition back over to it as I become more familiar with Linux/CentOS. My software is primarily Maya, Redshift, Blender, Zbrush (can be finagled to run well on Linux), and Substance Painter. A mix of programs that take advantage of single and multicore performance depending upon what I am doing. This is the 6950x (please do not scalp me), assuming all of the chips have similar damage would this be a deal-breaker? Especially since I want to overclock it. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/i7-6950X-Intel-Core-i7-6950X-SR2PA-Processor-10Cores-20Threads-3-0GHz-DIY-X99-MB/174451150031?hash=item289e194ccf:g:UMEAAOSwtyVfWJPu I know that the CPU I choose will hold back the GPUs for realtime applications but I have no idea how much. I do know however that the impact on GPU rendering will be negligible once the data is streamed onto the VRAM. My current specs are: Case: Corsair C70 Motherboard: Asus Rampage V USB3.1 REV CPU: 5930K Auto-overclocked to 4.2GHZ CPU Cooler: 2015 Corsair h100i RAM: 64GB Corsair RAM at something, something, XMP Profile, something, I do not remember. GPU: 2x GTX 1070s & 2x Titan XM PSU: 2015 EVGA 1600w Platinum Storage: A butt-tonne of HDDs and SSDs equaling around 15TBs How many fans do I have?: Yes. Thanks!
  3. I took a look at processor prices and the cheapest 1600 I could find is 185 dollars CAD plus 20 dollars S/H on ebay. I forgot to check if it was international which means added border fees. I think I will stick with the 2200g for now as I will not be gaming with it. Mostly 3D modling and sculpting which is mainly single threaded. The more intensive ZBrush and Maya Fluids operations are where the extra threads will be thrown this summer. As for the case size, length and width are my main concern as if it any bigger there then it would not fit in any of my bags. I might be able to squeeze an inch higher but not in any other direction. I will take a look at the cases but I am doing this all on a phone right now and it is super awkward and sluggish for me. I still need to look at the CPU coolers though.
  4. I will keep that all in mind. I do want want to overspend on the cpu since I intend to replace it this summer but if the prices are as low as you say they are then I will take a better look around. Might even check out the used market. As for the cooler, I will check out your suggestion. It might seem counterintuitive to go for a heavier one but if I can somehow brace it against the top of the case without interfering with the fan or airflow then it would likely be best for the health of the motherboard when traveling.
  5. I will be putting my Titan XM into it, that is why I asked about the GPU support brace that comes in the 202 and if it is good enough to prevent warping when transporting (also why I am getting such a large PSU). I will also take a peak at those ssds but I need fast ones for caching when GPU rendering. The HDD is just for long-term storage and backup.
  6. Hello there. My second forum post in the last couple of days, I am becoming active, hehe. I am going to be doing a SFF workstation build with the intent of hot-desking and the Node 202 seems to be the best case for me but I have a few questions first. Mind you, I already measured and it will fit into my carry-on and motorcycle saddle-bags, I just need to know if it will survive. I do not intend to drop it or anything, only put it through what my Sager NP9150 survived over the last 6 years. The first is how good is the internal GPU support brace and will it be enough to keep the Titan XM I intend to put into it steady without warping it? Second, is the build quality sufficient enough that I can expect it to not warp when packed in tightly with clothes? Third, unrelated but can anyone think of a good quality keyboard with roughly the same width (14-15 inches) that has a full numpad? Lastly, less related to the case itself, will the low-profile Noctua CPU cooler be too heavy for the motherboard and risk damaging it if the case gets jostled? Should I add some sort of brace against the top of the case so that its weight is not being thrown around? That should be it. If anyone knows of a better case with the same or smaller dimensions that can fit everything on my PC Parts Picker list then feel free to share, thanks! P.S. I intend to replace the CPU with a Ryzen 3000 when they get released this summer but unfortunately I will be doing a lot of traveling so it is not something I can wait for right now. Most of what I will be doing is single threaded or lightly multi-threaded so I think I can get away with running such a low end processor for a few months. Also, the keyboard is just a stand-in. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant Type Item Price CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $118.99 @ Powertop CPU Cooler Noctua - NH-L9a-AM4 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler $49.95 @ Amazon Canada Motherboard ASRock - B450 GAMING-ITX/AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $144.48 @ Vuugo Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $298.99 @ Newegg Canada Storage Samsung - 960 EVO 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $139.99 @ Memory Express Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $107.50 @ Vuugo Storage Seagate - FireCuda 2 TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive $118.99 @ Powertop Case Fractal Design - Node 202 HTPC Case $114.99 @ Amazon Canada Power Supply Corsair - SF 600 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply $149.99 @ Amazon Canada Case Fan Noctua - NF-F12 PWM 54.97 CFM 120mm Fan $22.84 @ Newegg Canada Keyboard Gigabyte - FORCE K83 Wired Standard Keyboard $59.99 @ Memory Express Other 3Dconnexion SpaceMouse Wireless Kit - 3D mouse - 2.4 GHz (3DX-700067) $259.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop Other Wacom DTH1620AK0 Cintiq Pro 16" Graphic Tablet with Link Plus $1979.99 @ Memory Express Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total (before mail-in rebates) $3596.68 Mail-in rebates -$30.00 Total $3566.68 Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-13 20:36 EST-0500
  7. Hello there. Not long ago I create a forum post inquiring as to which laptop to buy for 3D work but then re-evaluated my options and decided that it would be far more economical to go with a Node 202 build and a Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 for the same price (using an Old video card of mine instead of buying a new one)! To save on a tangle of wires when hot-desking I am hoping to run the Cintiq off of USB C video output. The problem is that I have no idea which Mini ITX motherboards support this feature, much less the ability to get the video output from the dedicated GPU itself!!! The only one I can find is the ASRock Z390 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157854 but I would much prefer an AMD system due to the cheaper price of the motherboard and the future release support. My current plan is the get a cheap Ryzen 3 2200g right now then upgrade to their highest performing 65w CPU this summer with their next release. I might even get a 95w CPU if the performance is right, despite the risk of throttling. The stick in the mud of course is the video output. I cannot find an AMD Mini ITX motherboard with this feature and if no AMD motherboard supports it then hello cable jungle, again. Thanks! P.S. I feel like there are some details I should be adding or asking but I cannot think of them off the top of my head so let me know if there is anything else I need to fill you in on.
  8. I do not intend to render on the battery. I only need to setup shop in the various locations I have to set down at. A 15 inch laptop is a 15 inch laptop. It does not matter if it weighs 3 pounds or 10 pounds as long as I can fit it into the same satchel or motorcycle bags I already have. The MSI laptop does not overheat according the reviews I have read on it but the Sky X4C does when fully specced out (in the ballpark of 300-370 watts of combined CPU/GPU TDP) which is not my intention (it also does not help that the GPU and CPU share 2 heatpipes). I want to run it at a lower configuration and hope that I get the best performance without burning it out/throttling but the caveat is that all of the components have their individual drawbacks and I want a second opinion on each. I might make it seem like I have already made up my mind but in reality I am trying to create a spreadsheet on all of the configurations but I just keep adding an increasingly large plethora of criteria in the process and backtracking as I overwhelm and befuddle myself. I have been mulling over that option as Eurocom offers this service for nearly 200 dollars extra but does the liquid metal TIM not need to be replaced roughly every couple of years?
  9. I am looking to get a high-end laptop for 3D modeling, animation, and rendering and the one that has caught my eye is the Eurocom Sky X4C both for its upgradability and purported cooling potential but I want some informed opinions before I pull the trigger as well as some alternative suggestions. For the record, I will be doing a lot of traveling and will need a laptop in order to do the work that I need to do so buying a small form-factor PC is out of the question, unfortunately. I am also pretty fit so weight is not a factor, but size is so I would prefer avoiding a 17+ inch model if I can help it, and my budget tops out at around 4K CAD. Read through my wall'O'text if you dare or TL;DR: My primary software would be Maya, Redshift, Substance Painter, Blender, and Zbrush (a pain to get running on Linux but fully doable). The things that are most important to me are easy Linux (Centos/Mint) installation without driver issues, Thunderbolt 3 (video output support optional), at least a 90% NTSC or RGB colour gamut, strong multi and single core performance, a dedicated GPU with 6-8 gigs of memory, 32GB of RAM, fast storage for caching, and most importantly: Good Cooling. ISV certification and battery life are not important. I am avoiding windows 10 due to both its software overhead and stealing VRAM which is important for GPU rendering, so I do not go out of core. For the more detailed inquiry: My current specced (and slightly over-budget) version of the Sky X4C: OS: Nothing/Linux CPU: i7 9700k GPU: Either a GTX 1070 or RTX 2070 - Maaayyyybe a P3200 RAM: 2x16GB 2400MHZ Storage: M.2 256GB NVME, M.2 512GB, 2TB Firecuda HDD Screen: 4K 100% SRGB - Or was it Adobe RGB? Now onto the caveats: Both the i7 9700K and i9 9900K are listed with a 95w TDP but from an Anandtech article they top out at 125 and 168 watts respectively and a laptop review on youtube showed the X4C constantly throttling with the 9900K while running some uncomfortably high temps close to a hundred degrees C. Would I expect such throttling with the 9700K and would it be better if I went with a lower TDP processor for both longevity and better overall performance? Additionally, I am divided on what GPU I should get. The GTX 1070 is a relatively decent card but the RTX 2070 is newer and faster and will soon have its RTX technology supported in the GPU renderer I use. The problem being that I am not sure if its 525 dollar (CAD) increase in price over the 1070 is worth it combined with the fact that the RTX technology does not seem to be a real game changer when it comes to render speeds and I do not know if the RTX cores amplify the mobile cards TDP, causing it to throttle. An alternative option is the P3200 (which I am asking Eurocom if they offer this card on request for this laptop mode) which seems to be more expensive than the 1070 but less so than the 2070 (based on various online laptop configuration sites). Due to its drivers its performance in Maya VP2 would be similar to the more powerful 1070 while being multiple times faster in legacy mode, which I am still forced to use sometimes, and just being more stable in general. - Maya really, reeaaallllly hates me. It would have a much lower powerdraw which means no throttling in the beefy laptop while having higher baseline performance over the 1060 with a similar power draw (4.2 vs 5.3 TFLOPS) The drawbacks being that its compute performance would be cut by around a TFLOP and a half but as I do not intend to render out full animations, only stills, it would be less of a deal breaker though I may or may not feel it when doing interactive preview rendering. Things only get worse when it comes to warranty. Being no stranger to having to RMA my laptops I generally go with the three year option which runs the price of around 375 CAD. This puts the 1070 version 100 dollars overbudget and the 2070 version 500 dollars overbudget. What do, what do. An alternative I am also looking at, which happens to have almost everything but lacks any upgrade path and has a screen with only 72% NTSC, is the MSI WS63 8SK-021CA. It is only 3500 dollars CAD on amazon but like I said, you cannot upgrade it and it has an inferior screen. Another major issue is I have no idea if you can install linux on it without voiding the warranty let alone the warranty only covering it for one year. I can ask MSI about this but have no hopes of receiving a reply unless someone here already knows. So, does anyone have any input or alternative suggestions? THANKS!
  10. Ebay from a longtime user with a 100% score both buying and selling. The GPUz thing is something I have seen before when a GPU is damaged but also sometimes fixed by plopping it into a new PC, speaking of which, I still need to do that. One more thing, I examined the PCB and it is identical to all images of a c2075 that I could find without pulling the heatsink off.
  11. OK, here is the lowdown. I bought a Tesla c2075 for pretty cheap to go into a retro workstation but I am worried that it got damaged on route as the box it arrived got smooshed and USPS did not bother to prevent the card (which the seller securely wrapped in an anti-static bag and Styrofoam) from bouncing around in the box. Right off the bat I can install any Tesla or Maximus driver just fine but I cannot access the Nvidia control panel as it does not recognise any Nvidia card being plugged into the monitor (which it is) and the computer runs off of the generic VGA driver, no matter what the Device Manager says. Furthermore if I attempt to render any scene in Blender Cycles that goes over 2GB of VRAM, a third of the c2075's, I will get an error pertaining to running out despite the c2050 3GB that I have rendering said scenes just fine. Lastly, GPUz only just recognises the card as a c2075 with everything else being reported as a "0" or "Unknown". It correctly reports the c2050 though so it is not a compatibility issue. Does anyone have any ideas? I am about to put the card into my main workstation, instead, with the c2050 and a k4000 as the main display driver to see if it is a software or hardware issue but wanted to get the ball rolling with this thread first. P.S. The reason I do not bother asking directly on the Nvidia forums is that I tend to get very generic answers from an admin(?) that sounds either automated or they did not even read the issue and seldom anyone else. Go figure. THANKS!
  12. I am trying to multi-quote here and I really do not know how so bear with me. I will be keeping the w9100 as I often work with hardsurface models consisting of thousands of objects and millions of polygons and the constant pausing with the other cards is a deal breaker. Since I use Redshift I actually have two 1070s in addition to the Titan XM and will be keeping all of them for GPU rendering. Despite the differences in the viewport performance the 1070 and Titan XM render roughly at the same speed. With a single character under a million polygons viewport interaction should not be affected if you are using a geforce card. On the other hand 100 10,000 polygon objects most certainly would. It depends on what you are working on and if it is only a single character with a few objects (character plus clothes plus effects) then the Geforce is the way to go. The w9100 has 5.2 Teraflops of raw processing power and games just as well as a 290x whereas the p4000 has 5.3 and thus would likely perform the same though there is a significant amount of hearsay that AMD cards, even their consumer Radeon cards, perform better than Quadros in Maya. This was true as far back as Maya 2013 but I do not know if there is any truth to this today. I will say that the Firepro suffers the same problems that my Geforce cards experience in Maya in 3DS Max 2014. Lastly, unlike the AMD drivers the Quadro drivers tend to be utter ass for gaming so if you intend to do any the P4000 would probably get roughly the same performance as a 1050 with an inconsistent FPS.
  13. I just finished the benchmarks and you can find them here: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/maya-forum/are-quadros-and-firepros-still-important/m-p/7005008#M41216 In these sets of tests the 1070 appears to really pull ahead of the XM, interesting!
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