Yes i agree. Germany just issued a country wide lock down starting from Nov. 2nd. All restaurants, sports clubs, free time activities etc. will close for at least the entire november. Only Schools, Kindergardens and grocerie stores are allowed to stay open. Those stupid lockdowns will just murder our culture and small businesses. 

I do admit though, our daily cases gone up and up and up, reaching from like 3000/day to now 18000 yesterday in just 2 weeks. 

@FloRolf Agreed. I mean, it does depend on the breakdown as it'll be different from country to country, but the lockdowns are showing it's unneeded.

I'd imagine we'd have similar low numbers if we'd just kept those vulnerable at home, and wore masks.

Here, we kept hearing how young people were just as at risk of dying as the elderly, tons of fear mongering by the government.

Yet here we are, many months in, and the death rate in the 20-29 age bracket? 0.0002% of those infected, in that age bracket.

Lockdowns are to try to control the spread, since it's becoming more and more clear that herd immunity isn't possible. Compare infection rates in countries that aggressively locked down like Vietnam or New Zealand compared to ones that didn't, like the United States.

we are having country wide testing this weekend... all people will meet at one place to get tested but you can't walk into a store with other person inside.... 

@Nowak Right, but infectious disease experts predict another lockdown would result in 10x the damage to Canadians health than the virus itself, and up to 50x globally. Those countries caught it early. Now that other countries haven't, the measures aren't nearly as effective.

If you close the country to save say 150,000 people, and the other 35 million have nothing to go back to...what's the point?

@WereCat...what country do you live in that's small enough to do that? I think that'd be a good idea (the mass testing aspect), it would show just how widespread it likely is. Can't they just mail them to your house, then track who doesn't send it back? 

Source?

I swear, if it's about the fucking economy...

@dizmo

Slovakia. 

Around 5M people give or take. 

They ordered the low accuracy fast test, you will get result within 30min in a envelope. 

Its expected that we will have a ton of falsr positives. 

Our Prime Minister ordered this but nobody is prepared. There is not enough staff to do this and they had to improvise to make their own protection as well due to lack of preparation when it comes to obtaining the suits, gloves, disinfectants, etc... 

The staff will also be rewarded 20€ for each positive case they find and many people are against this since it can get easily abused. 

Furthermore, the goverment is still yet to pay for the services of the medical staff in the 1st wave, they haven't got any payment yet. 

Basicaly this was decided 2 weeks prior the wide country testing... simply not enough time. Nobody was voting about it or anything, etc... smells of a lot of BS to be honest. 

@Nowak The economy certainly plays into it. People go unemployed, lose businesses, become depressed, kill themselves, etc.

Anyway, this image sums up the article pretty nicely:

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/columnists/david-staples-lockdowns-will-cause-10-times-more-harm-to-human-health-than-covid-19-itself-says-infectious-disease-expert

@WereCat Hmm, that still seems like an awfully large number of people to be testing in a single place. Though, if properly done it wouldn't be impossible to accomplish. It doesn't sound like that'll be the case though.

Paying people for finding positive cases seems quite odd. Why would you do that? Not only that...you're bound to have to pay out huge amounts of money for no reason. They should just be doing it because it's their job.

Not paying medical services, unfortunately, is almost to be expected in smaller countries with much smaller contingencies. This is going to be a massive burden on almost every country around the world, and it'll take quite a long time for the world to recover financially.

"The risk to children from influenza each year is greater than the risk of COVID-19, he says. If an individual is less than 65 and has no co-morbidities their COVID risk is also low. The focus should be on protecting people over the age of 65, he says, while also respecting their right to live as they choose."

That's funny, because an entirely new disease in children, MIRS-C, has been traced back to COVID-19 infections. The risk in children is absolutely there too.

Is it really worth letting this disease wreck human life so that an imaginary line can look slightly better? Absolutely not. The economy can recover, humans... well, if COVID starts attacking your circulatory system as well or damages your lungs enough then you're shit outta luck.

@NowakYou're scared about something that affects a very small percentage of people, mostly those that are already compromised. When has it ever been a good idea to sacrifice the many to save the very few?

Look, the goal is controlling the spread, not encouraging reckless shit that'll get more people killed by going like "Oh yeah it's not that bad actually guys! Unless you're in this, this or this group." and then having people go out and catch it, and then bring it home and spread it to everyone at their home and get someone hospitalized or killed.

I've had enough of people downplaying COVID and acting like it's A-OK to go out and do shit during it. Do you know where most COVID infections in New York came from? Homes, after people went out and did things. COVID cases here in Massachusetts are spiking again and you wanna know a common source of infection? People going out and bringing COVID home to their families. Churches? Beaches? Restaurants? Gyms? Those are also great places for one person with no symptoms and therefore doesn't know to spread it to others and get people killed.

It's not "being scared", it's being a decent human and doing your part to control something with no known cure. It's doing your part to keep there from being more needless death. It's doing your part to reduce suffering during a difficult time.

I'm going to bed.