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While electric cars are a nice idea, they're not really feasible for mass roll out.

  1. Jtalk4456

    Jtalk4456

    I see this argument all the time. While I understand your underlying implications here, the use of this as a way to stifle production and research on them as if we SHOULDN'T be making them better baffles me. I'm not saying you tried to stifle or influence away from them in this post, but I see it alot and it really worries me

    1. Price: While they are still a bit expensive upfront, between gas and maintenance, you'll easily save money in the long run

    2. Range: This is a valid argument for very few people, as the average person in the US drives around 30 miles, well within the range of any electric car on the market, the smallest range as of end of 2018 being 62 miles

    https://www.motoringresearch.com/advice/electric-hybrid/going-the-distance-electric-car-range-from-shortest-to-longest/

    3. Batteries: They aren't there yet, I'll give you that, but this refers to point 6.

    4. Speed and Function: There are electric racing vehicles that knock the socks off gas due to that torque. There are also electric semis, so towing is not an issue. 

    5. Sound: Some people worry what the loss of engine sound will be a public danger for pedestrians. My first argument to that is that if you are only relying on sound to walk across a street, then any loss of life is your fault. You still need to look both ways, you can't blame the car because you didn't hear it and blindly stepped into traffic. Also looking long into the future here when more infrastructure is set up, better traffic and city design will involve lots of electric mass transit, be it the hyperloop, tunnels with electric cars like tesla proposed, or even just an abundance of driverless taxis. There will be more mass transit and far less pedestrian traffic, especially of the road crossing variety. Also the lesser sound will be very beneficial for sound pollution in cities.

    6. Inevitability: Pretending this is not happening is turning a blind eye to human nature. We WILL progress, we will go from fossil fuel to renewables (maybe too late but still), we will make better batteries and we will make cheaper electric cars. Eventually consumer use of combustion engines will be outlawed as well as manufacturing of them. There is no difference in the assumption that SSD's would come down in price to where they are now and eventually take over HDD's. Seeing it as inevitable, and further seeing it as beneficial to our economy, our health, our environment and technology in general, I think worrying about where they are now is as if we said computers weren't ready for mass rollout back in the 70's. They weren't ready; they were clunky, expensive, and essentially useless compared to what we now see as a computer. But saying they weren't ready simply didn't matter. What mattered is the change that would come when they were ready, and working to get them there as quickly as possible. This is simply the nature of progress. No technology ever rolled off the line perfect the first time. Electric cars still have a long way to come, but they've already gone a long way. While he's still small fish compared to someone like ford, tesla has proved that these can be rolled out from an assembly line. Ford makes roughly 115K cars a week, while tesla currently make 5K/week. We're talking 23X as many cars, but that's not really a big difference when you count tesla has only been running for 16 yrs and ford has been running 116 yrs. That's a big difference in experience, big changes in the industry and technology in general. Electric cars are here, and they will only be more prevalent in the future years. They will be ready to mass produce, even if they aren't perfect yet

    Edit: Forgot to write this in. Also keep in mind that the government has had to bail out large companies like ford and GMC, so when we compare these successful mass production car companies, it's not really very fair. The most Tesla has had was a government LOAN that was roughly 1/18th the cost of the bailout Ford was handed. The government lost even more money from GMC than from ford.

  2. dizmo

    dizmo

    You're looking at the argument in the wrong light my friend ;) A mass rollout isn't feasible because there are very, very few power grids that can support them. Take, for example, Vancouver. Currently if everyone in Vancouver turned on their AC at the same time, there would be rolling brownouts because they can't supply enough power to the grid. Now think about everyone charging an electric vehicle. Not only personal use, but also businesses, etc. The grid simply cannot support the demand. It's even worse for places like California, though solar might be able to mitigate some of that, though not without massive investment.

  3. Jtalk4456

    Jtalk4456

    You are correct that if everyone started charging an electric car at the same time everyone would be out of power. But let's be realistic here. Even in a mass rollout, change is slow to come, and there's a good many gas powered cars to replace slowly over years and years. So the grid is ready for what a mass rollout in today's market would look like. Also I go back to my argument of using "not ready" as an excuse to not get ready. Even without electric cars, our electric grid is in dire need of work. It needs to be improved anyways. This will take massive investment, and we NEED to take that massive investment. I refer you to a lesser known scientist with some excellent insight ;)

    Spoiler

     

    The amount of joy this clip of him cursing at us all still brings me after the 10th time watching this is just great

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