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Leave it at stock, or buy the i7-8700, you won't notice the extra speed at all unless you have a couple 1080 Ti's or something ridiculous and are pushing for 200+ FPS for CS:GO or something.

Thanks!

I've heard of a supposed 8 core processor being available soon for the coffee lake series of motherboards (300 series), I'd like to know more about it, whether it is just a rumor, or something I might want to wait for. Currently, I have a Ryzen 5 1600 processor, and I'm looking to upgrade my entire system, and then give the current one to my brother who is still on an i5-4590. Money isn't an object, and I'd like the best gaming performance, which, if there is an 8 core version of the i7-8700k, I'd prefer that, since it would be an upgrade in core count, and clock speeds from my Ryzen system. (if its a thing)

I've met grown men who are not capable of affording a gaming machine, but as kids grew up with some of the nicest one's I've seen. You can wait a few months for a machine that will last 2+ more years than a Ryzen, or i7-7700k system.

You'll regret not just waiting for the coffee lake chip, it would definitely be worth waiting for.

Coffee Lakes transistors had an increase in gate pitch to allow for higher core temps, and less voltage leak. This has spread the transistors out, but to account for this, they modified the core, and GPU structure to fit in the DIE with only around a 25% increase in size. It is not noticeably higher, but at the same clock speeds it scores higher in single core benchmarks.

They don't want you buying intel, they want you to get the "better deal" with the Ryzen 5 1600, or 1700. I'd ignore them and go for the i7-8700k if I had the cash, if not, I'd go with AMD's platform, because they are offering compatibility with 7nm processors, and that's something intel can't boast. So if you go with AMD, spend the extra cash on a good motherboard, and ram kit, rather than a better processor, just get the R5 1600, or R5 1400 if need be, and then upgrade later. But back to what I was saying earlier, Coffee Lake is slightly ahead of Kaby Lake, which is way ahead of Haswell, and Ryzen is about equal to Haswell. (i7-4790k @4.2ghz = R5 1500x @4ghz) <- Any worse performance seen in games is made up for by it's gains in productivity vs haswell, and ram speeds help bring that performance back up.)

I can give you my i5-4590, and AMD Ryzen 5 1600 processors single core cinebench scores at 3.7ghz (This is to show you that Haswell and Ryzen are clock for clock equals) Let me know if you need this, I'll be back with the scores if you do need them, I just don't want to set up my i5 system right now.

Oh ok, good to know they got the temps down even with more cores. That answers one of my questions, do you think the 8700k will cost less than 350$ at any point? I might snatch up more than one.

I collect PC's, here is my current inventory (just in my room) -AMD k6-2 -Pentium 2 (1998) -i7-970 (six core i7!) -Athlon 62 x2 -i5-4590 -i7-4790k -i3-6100 -R5 1600 (2x) (one capable of 3.9ghz, the other of 3.8) -R7 1700 -i7-7700k shipping Just looking at starting up a PC repair / selling business, just a side thing while I get through highschool.

The same was seen on the i7-7700k, which is why I was wondering

I run it on a custom fan and pump curve for my R5 1600 right now, doesn't get over 46C during 4 hour gameplay sessions in PUBG, or Battlefield 1. (@3.8ghz, 1.42v)

I'm looking for the following information: -Which Z370 board offers the best VRM that you guys know of so far? (I know this won't matter because they are all really good) -What ram speeds should I look for in with this processor, or does it matter much with intel vs AMD? (I have a Ryzen 5 1600 with DDR4-2666mhz ram) -Does the i7-8700k need to be overclocked to beat the i7-7700k in games? (both at stock) (I will be overclocking it with my Kraken x62 water cooler as the main source of cooling) -Does anyone know if it needs to be delidded yet, or does it run cool enough as is? (Going for 5.1ghz) I'm planning on keeping with both intel and AMD in the upcoming years, Zen 2, or Ryzen refresh should be interesting, and intel's icelake looks like a good contender for them as well.

I definitely would, if you have the money, then why not? Intel is doing something somewhat right here, they are giving us more for our money, and that's a good thing. If you get the i7-8700k, you won't need to worry about having any issues in productivity, or gaming for the next 6 - 8 years, guaranteed (almost). It would be a worthwhile investment, and the i7-6700k isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but pulling the trigger now on an i7-8700k may keep you off the hype medication (new products hype train) for a few years, and prevent you from deciding to get something decidedly more expensive. That's just my thoughts, I'm running a Ryzen 5 1600 with no issues right now, and I plan on following AMD's Zen 2, Zen 3 processor line, not because I like AMD or anything, but because I pulled the trigger during the "hype train" on getting 2 more cores from my i7-4790k, and no discernible difference in games.

Yes, I meant to say it was essentially all the full 8 core dies cut down. Intel's manufacturing is cheaper than AMD's, they have much larger wafers, and a higher amount of production per batch, each individual processor is cheaper. They cannot however just lower their prices, as their stockholders expect them to keep the same pricing for the consumer CPU's. Intel could just add SMT to their upcoming i3's, which are supposedly 4 core, 4 thread in coffee lake. No R3 will beat an i3 in games if they do that.