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  1. magical Qnap fan... maybe the WD fan just sucks hard (or... not hard enough as it were.. ba dum tss). Or maybe its just my house/location way west of Sydney. 30c is about the coolest I've ever seen my drives run myself.
  2. mate that's exactly what I did haha. I got the WD EX4 for something like 200 AUD on eBay. Look how it turned out... All premade NAS units look like they lack cooling to me. Drives are tightly packed with a weak fan at the back. Unless you've got a different experience with Qnap/Synology?
  3. You are correct. The temperatures will still rise, and on a hot 35 deg C day, the drives will still be hot. But they won't be as hot. I acknowledge that unless I can cool the room down, the drives will run hot on a hot day, basic physics. I have tried your solution before, although I used a stand fan. The idea didn't work because the hallway outside the room is also just about as warm as the office. I did not notice a difference in temps. Direct airflow over the EX4 gave the best results, and did not block a doorway. Having the stand fan blow nearby the EX4 (ie. next to the unit instead of onto it directly) yielded some temperature decrease. I am fairly confident that the cooling solution I have planned for this build (ie fans actively cooling all drives) will help because it works on the Define R5 PC in my room which is usually the hottest in the house during summer. Mind you the drives won't be at 35 deg C on a 35 deg C day, but at least they shouldn't cook at 65 deg C. The main goal is to keep drive operating temps below 60 deg C, most of the time. FYI for what its worth, The not very scientific experiment I did was: I stacked 4 drives (not NAS drives though, various older 4 TB, and 3 TB desktop drives) in sequence in my R5 (ie no empty drive slots in between them). 40 deg C day, no AC in the hottest room of my house. Did file transfers between the drives for an hour and a half. The hottest disk settled at 48 deg C with fans on high, 50 deg C with fans on low. This is not the same as having 8 x 8 TB NAS drives stacked altogether, but is at least some indication that my plan is sound. My explanation for these results is that HDDs don't produce enough heat to alter the temperature of the air in a room enough (short of some localized hot spots perhaps) to matter. ie. the problem is maximizing the transfer of heat from the drives to the room air and NOT the transfer of heat away from the room. Secondary to that is the circulation of air around to room to remove hot spots.
  4. Thanks for clarifying. I'll keep an eye out on older chassis then. I feel like I should provide some context for some my apparently exorbitant cooling requests. I currently run a WD EX4. This was the first summer it had 4 drives (Ironwolf) in it, previously it had 2. The NAS sits in the home office (aka. store room with a computer and printer) near our network switch (we do not have ethernet wiring around this old house). The room is usually the 3rd coolest in the house but can get stuffy with a lack of ventilation. No, putting the NAS in the living or the dining room is not an option. No, we are not getting an AC for this room, not that we use AC much anyway. On a 30 deg C day, the hottest drives run at 59-62 deg C depending on load. On a 35 deg C day, the hottest drives thermal throttle at 65 deg C under light load. I disassembled the EX4 for a clean and made sure the fan was working - it definitely is. The cooling just isn't enough. My short term solution is to point a stand fan straight at the box and just blast it 24/7. But the drives still run too hot when temperatures go above 35 deg C. A NAS that has to be turned off half the time for 4-5 months of the year is junk and not fit to serve me and my household. I hope this clarifies things.
  5. Ah. Well I have a spare SSD at the moment. So I'll just use it as a cache drive for the first few weeks as I migrate data over. I'm sure that will make life easier I suspect. I'm watching Gamers Nexus and Level1Tech's NAS build videos now. I didn't think of using ZFS in the way you mentioned. I'll keep it in mind! Thanks.
  6. Hi Bombastinator, thanks for the suggestion. I do not mind 'ugly' as long as dust is managed and drives are securely mounted. I did briefly consider this option at the start, but was not aware of any business style system with the space and ventilation I require? Could you point me in a direction? Some keywords to search for perhaps? Thanks. EDIT: Update: I've had a look at the main models dumped by government and corporate offices - they all don't fit the bill in terms of 1) drive capacity and 2) required cooling. Let me know if you know of any models I should keep an eye on.
  7. Hello, I’m new to the world of home servers so I’m looking for someone to check my homework. I was inspired by the Brian’s Econonas 2019 build. Dear Mods: if this is better suited for the New Builds and Planning forum, please move it there. 1. Budget & Location I’m located in Australia. My parts choices are based on what I’ve been able to find at my local store and I prefer to use commonly available parts. Budget of AU$700 (EDIT: ~ US$470) without drives. Open to small upgrades over time. 2. Use Case NAS for home file storage servicing 4 home users. Plex (if possible, eventually transcoding 3 x 1080p streams with ease). Resilio Sync (very important to me). SabNZB. Probably going with unRAID. (unlikely Plan B = Windows Server). Will be deployed with 5 X 8TB (2 of which are parity) drives and a 500 Gb cache SSD. Will eventually upgrade to 8 X 8 TB (2 of which are parity) drives and a 500 Gb mirrored cache + SSD for Plex metadata. Hoping it will last me 5-10 years. I want to experiment with running a Windows VM on this (among other tinkering), to potentially consolidate this NAS with my mom’s PC. But I haven’t looked too deeply into this aspect yet. Also, Folding@Home? This will sit in our home office with very tight space – the case I’ve selected is the biggest it can be. Silence is appreciated, but direct HDD cooling is paramount during hot weather (easily 40 deg C or 104 deg F). Dust resistance appreciated. 3. Parts List Case: Antec P101 Silent ($135) CPU: Ryzen 3200G ($145) Mobo: ASUS B450 Prime ($149) RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8Gb ($69) PSU: Corsair RM650x ($169) TOTAL (before unRAID license, SATA cables and PCIE to SATA card): $667. P.S. Any recommendations for a good quality PCIE to SATA card are appreciated. Looking forward to your feedback. Thanks guys.
  8. GUYS I'VE FOUND SOMETHING, it took awhile, but anybody have experience with the Antec P101? https://www.antec.com/product/case/p101-silent.php The dimensions are a little too chonky for me. But it has all the other features I want... I've gotta do just a little bit more Tetris to make it work... But it comes it at $135
  9. Thanks for the reply! Yea I've seen those options. I like the look of the p600s but yea its just over the budget.
  10. Hello, I've been planning a home NAS build and found some builds using the NZXT H440. It seems like that case is very close to my personal *best* case compromise between available capacity, size, drive cooling etc. Unfortunately it seems to be discontinued. Has anybody seen a good alternative? The main features I'm looking for are: - 8 or more 3.5" HDDs - all HDD's MUST be well cooled (ie. direct blast from a fan) - *relatively* compact, no bigger than the H440 is. Approximately 51 x 22 x 47.6 cm OR 20 x 9 x 19 inches. - dust resistant - budget of AU$200. Open to minor upgrades over time. I'm located in Australia, not keen on importing. This NAS will be in hot weather (easily 40 deg C or 104 deg F) during the summer. I've spotted the Phanteks Eclipse P400A, which SEEMS to have similar features, but requires a separate purchase of those drive cages. From videos it appears the front fans may interfere with the drive cage installation? Thanks all.
  11. Hi all, Crazy concept I know, I'm just entertaining this amusing possibility at the moment, looking for people to talk me off the ledge for this one. 1. Budget & Location Australia. Hopefully well under AU$ 1500 excluding NAS drives. 2. Concept/Aim One PC Case (as small as practicality can allow) with a decently powerful multi-core CPU and 6 or more 3.5" bays. Primary purpose is as a NAS, whilst secondary function is as my mom/dad's PC. Mom/Dad's PC: 80% Web surfing/YouTube/Music (including a large CD collection, so 5.35" bay needed...?) | 10% light photo editing | 10% MS Word/Excel etc. NAS: Plex server for media, Resilio Sync for work. Expansion from 4 drives to 6 in gradual stages. 24/7 operation. I'm thinking this could be an unRAID build, with a Windows VM as my parent's PC. My parents are also not tech savvy, which is the biggest downside to this build. The idea is that I'll set this thing up some how, and teach them how to turn their PC half of it on, and turn it off, while their user experience should be the same as it currently is (Windows 10, Dell pre-built). On the NAS side, I'm open to learning *some* Linux stuff if needed, but ideally it should, more or less, be intuitive, and just work. Also, no jet engines please. Definitely no RGB. Clean minimalist/professional looks and compact size are important to pass mom's test. No tempered glass windows. 3. Why? The main reason for this is space saving. Currently both NAS and Desktop sit in the study of our house. Both items have to remain there, but space needs to be consolidated. Second reason is cost minimization - hopefully I get more 'bang for buck' by merging 2 systems into 1??? Third reason is NAS drive thermals: I'm currently on a 2nd hand WD EX4 (4-bay) NAS that runs worryingly hot (> 60 deg C regularly) in the hot Oz summer. 4. Peripherals etc. No peripherals needed as we still have a great single 1080p monitor with mouse/keyboard etc. from the current machine. Windows Home license probably. unRAID for 6 drives? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
  12. Results of Totusoft LAN speed test: Wired PC - NAS = fast (~50-80 MB/s) Wireless PC - NAS = slow (~8 MB/s) Wireless PC - Wired PC = slow (~8 MB/s) Results are relatively consistent for various file sizes tested. Generally faster for smaller sizes.
  13. An internet speed test will not be able to tell anything because *cue my opportunity to whine* - I live in a land down under, where internet sucks, and it's (bloody) expensive Yea I max out my connection speed regardless of wire/wireless.
  14. I think I made a mistake in saying 40+ MB/s earlier. I should have said > 40MB/s. As in, the slowest I've ever seen it go for large file transfer is about 40 MB/s for large files. It can hop around a little, but gets as high as 90 MB/s usually. It's only 1 HDD at the moment. Sorry about that.
  15. Thanks for the suggestion. My main machine has an ASUS PCE-AC55BT - would this be one of those things that makes a 'huge difference'? At the moment it doesn't, have even tried putting the antenna in various spots around my room. Also, let me try and understand - when you refer to an "External AC card with antenna", you arn't referring to those little USB dongles yea? the "with antenna" addition makes me think of those big ones... Not uber keen on spending more money than I absolutely have to, considering that I *SHOULD* have the powerline kit back in the not too distant future.