JRolley

No his logic is fine. What he's saying is buy a 980Ti now instead of SLi 970s because down the road you can buy another 980Ti for cheap and extend the longevity of your system by a ton. If he goes with 970s he won't be able to do the same thing since he'll have to buy a third 970s which has poor scaling and would be super hot. 
 
 
I'm an AMD fan (my past 4 cards have been AMD) but seriously, there has to be a point where you stop being a fanboy and start offering real advice. This is a worse option and you know it. That card is super inefficient and it may perform better than 980Ti for now but spotty crossfire, old architecture and the possibility that OP doesn't want to take up space with the water cooling just isn't worth it. If he's buying now, a 980Ti is the best option, if he's buying in a month time, AMD MIGHT have a new card worth considering but my money is on the 980Ti still being the card to buy.

No his logic is fine. What he's saying is buy a 980Ti now instead of SLi 970s because down the road you can buy another 980Ti for cheap and extend the longevity of your system by a ton. If he goes with 970s he won't be able to do the same thing since he'll have to buy a third 970s which has poor scaling and would be super hot. 
 
 
I'm an AMD fan (my past 4 cards have been AMD) but seriously, there has to be a point where you stop being a fanboy and start offering real advice. This is a worse option and you know it. That card is super inefficient and it may perform better than 980Ti for now but spotty crossfire, old architecture and the possibility that OP doesn't want to take up space with the water cooling just isn't worth it. If he's buying now, a 980Ti is the best option, if he's buying in a month time, AMD MIGHT have a new card worth considering but my money is on the 980Ti still being the card to buy.

Is there much difference between the

Dell U2312HM
Dell U2412M
Dell U2414H

Because I've seen in heaps of threads all these names thrown around and variations of these which people mix the names together and it's hard to tell which they mean since they're named so similarly. In Australia all 3 are similarly priced so out of the 3 which would you guys choose? 

I have the DA 2013, Logitech G400s, Steelseries Sensei and Steelseries Rival atm. 
 
I don't really know which one I like the best, but I know that my least favorite is the Sensei. My Sensei's left click has started getting "stuck" from time to time, very annoying. And after using all these optical mice for a while, I can't go back to a laser. The acceleration etc. is very noticable on the Sensei after using something like a DA.
 
My DA 2013 is double clicking and the right click is slightly loose. I still like the mouse though. The shape is nice, and I keep coming back to this mouse after trying others for some reason. The only reason I'm not only using this mouse, is because I recently experienced a period with some serious wrist pain. I don't think that is because of the mouse though. The pain is mostly gone now, but I'm not sure if I wanna use the DA, as it may be the mouse causing it. 
 
Because of this, I also bought a Steelseries Rival. I really like the shape. It feels really different to the DA though, have to get used to it. I think it's quite similar to the IE 3.0 if you ever used that mouse. It feels heavier than the DA. The side buttons are not as nice as the DA's, but they do the job fine. The main buttons are really nice though, but I have to get used to the slightly more pressure needed to click. I found myself missing last hits in Dota because I wasn't used to the pressure needed, and I clicked to late etc. 
 
I also bought the G400s after my DA started double clicking (I lost the receipt for my DA, GG). I find the shape... odd.. I don't know what to say. I never used the MX518 or G400, so I'm just not used to this kind of shape. I've also tried the G500. The shape on the G500 felt better IMO, while still being similar. The thing that I'm not used to with the G400s' shape, is the "ridge" on the right side next to the right click. I'm used to having my pinky and ringfinger together on the right side of the mouse, like the DA and Rival. So with the G400s my ringfinger and pinky are way more apart from each other than they are with the DA or Rival. Because of this I experienced some pain in my pinky after a while, so I don't think this mouse if for me.
 
In conclusion, I'd get the DA 2013 or Rival. I would not get a laser mouse if I were you, as you're used to the optical sensor on the DA. Switching to laser would IMO make no sense. Optical mice are superior anyway.
 
If you have slightly bigger hands (medium+) and find the DA clicks to be a bit too sensitive, and if you don't like the green light on the DA, (you can change the lightning on the Rival to what ever color you want) I'd say go for the Rival. My hands are 19cm from base to tip of the middlefinger. 
 
If you have medium sized hands, a bit smaller than mine perhaps or same as mine, and you like the really sensitive buttons on the DA. I'd say go for the DA 2013. Just remember to NOT THROW AWAY THE RECEIPT, like I did. Then you're totally screwed, as the DA 2013 is known to have issues. Mine has not only one issue, but two. 

I would go for Rival or DA 2013 (CLG version if you want a bit smoother coating and white LED's)
 
I think they're quite different in terms of shape/feel. I prefer the coating on the Rival, as it's slightly smoother on my skin. The DA 2013 (not CLG) has a very rough coating. I prefer the rubber sides on the Rival as they're bigger and easier to grip. I think my hand fits the Rival better, but it fits the DA almost just as good, just in a different way. I feel like more of my hand is touching the mouse with the Rival. With the DA, the hump is so high up, that much of my hand isn't even touching the mouse. When I try to fully palm my DA, I also overreach the mouse by about 1 or 2cm, so you can't fully palm this mouse IMO with 19cm long hands. Seeing as you have the same sized hands as me, I think the Rival would fit you better if you palm grip your mouse. The DA is IMO more suited for claw grip than the Rival, but they both work fine. 
 
So if you palm grip, I'd say go for the Rival. If you claw grip, go for the DA.
 
I also prefer that the Rival's buttons go all the way down and are not "concaved" like on the DA. They're not "cupped" if you know what I mean. I don't know how to describe it properly..
 
In the end, I think I'm gonna use the Rival until Razer launches a new DA, or I can get my hands on the CLG edition of the DA 2013. 
 
Tell me what you end up getting btw, and tell me your thoughts on the mouse you get.

On Sunday I made the decision to go for the Rival and it just arrived today. So far I'm incredibly impressed. It fits my hand absolutely perfect and has amazing grip and feel. So far I have no complaints and yeah I don't really know what else to say. I'm loving it so far. If I have any issues or any follow ups I'll be sure to post.

Awesome review thank you very much. Yeah my hands are exactly the same size as yours 19cm base to end of finger so I guess that classifies as large. So in your opinion the Rival and DA2013 (or CLG version) are the best 2 options? Is there one your hand fits better on than the other or are both just as nice with a slightly different feel?