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Why I don't trust the Polish government's motives when criticizing article 13...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/10/now-polands-government-is-coming-after-the-internet/

http://time.com/5202047/polands-censorship-law-holocaust/

 

My hot take is that they're just saying this for internet cred - gotta get those juicy uninformed teenager votes.

 

Also they want to posture against the EU and hide their human rights violations under the pretense of "sticking it to the man".

  1. Morgan MLGman

    Morgan MLGman

    The Time article is crap as hell IMO, politicized and with a certain point of view that's clear from the first paragraph - it mentions anti-semitism in Poland during WW2 and the times that surround it, however it makes no justice to the majority of people who actually helped escape, shelter and feed Jewish people knowing that if caught, they and their entire families would be shot. Sometimes the entire villages. 

    And yet things like JFK touring the Nazi Germany during the World War and praising the regime, or FDR sending his people to fascist Italy to observe reforms made by Mussolini (who he praised at the time) because he saw his reforms as "more progressive" than his own New Deal are never mentioned in any articles... Or the fact that the media in the US initially misreported that concentration camps in Poland were "Polish concentration camps" and not Nazi ones which is quite appalling for someone who actually knows the WWII history and has seen one of those camps himself

    I fully agree with the current government critic though, mainly from the first article. There's a lot more to that, they're doing everything to keep the poorest and least educated voters that essentially control the country now :S They won the previous election because they offered to give free money every month to people who have children up until they're 18 years old and people elected them convincingly, statistics show that the vast majority of people who vote for them are either older people (55+) or the least educated people in our country.

    Here's proof for the last part of what I said:
    COF9Pa5.png

    The top chart describes people who didn't even finish high school and how they voted, the bottom chart are voters that have a university degree or better education. See the pattern? ;) It's in Polish but you get the idea, PiS is the current ruling party (which translates to Law and Justice, ironic isn't it?) :P

  2. Sauron

    Sauron

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    The Time article is crap as hell IMO, politicized and with a certain point of view that's clear from the first paragraph - it mentions anti-semitism in Poland during WW2 and the times that surround it, however it makes no justice to the majority of people who actually helped escape, shelter and feed Jewish people knowing that if caught, they and their entire families would be shot. Sometimes the entire villages. 

    Maybe so, doesn't change the antisemitic undertones of what the government is doing with the holocaust censorship. Time clearly has their own view on the issue but I think the fact speaks for itself.

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    And yet things like JFK touring the Nazi Germany during the World War and praising the regime, or FDR sending his people to fascist Italy to observe reforms made by Mussolini (who he praised at the time) because he saw his reforms as "more progressive" than his own New Deal are never mentioned in any articles... Or the fact that the media in the US initially misreported that concentration camps in Poland were "Polish concentration camps" and not Nazi ones which is quite appalling for someone who actually knows the WWII history and has seen one of those camps himself

    Yeah, the US wasn't exactly a progressive country in the '30s. They don't get any bonus points for being slightly less fascist than Hitler.

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    They won the previous election because they offered to give free money every month to people who have children up until they're 18 years old and people elected them convincingly, statistics show that the vast majority of people who vote for them are either older people (55+) or the least educated people in our country.

    Ugh, tell me about it - that's the Italian right wing in a nutshell. To be fair I think uneducated people deserve a say as much as anyone else - the problem is when their lack of education is exploited by professional bullshitters.

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