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Any time, just give me a shout i don't mind sending out samples to ppl who are really interested. As far as i'm concerned its people like your self i like to hand samples over to not only for feed back but also to share the knowledge. You show a good knowledge and understanding of what we are up to and this is brilliant in my eyes.
 

Thank you for the kind offer, if times were different I may have accepted to trial the new coolant. Giving the difficult times with the pandemic at current, I am trying my best to minimize contact, couriers included, so I think I will be happy to look into it myself in future when the XTR is available through retailers and when the threat of Corona is slightly better.

It's just got distilled water in it and lives in the basement, I rarely use it anymore. Yes, the push/pull pump setup inside the reservoir is interesting! Turns out they can handle around 300W of Xeon at 4ghz which is pretty stunning. No idea what the intended power handling was anymore.

We have rads now over 20 years old, D5's last for about 8 to 9 years max DDC 2 to 3 years there no ware near as good as D5's, cheaper brands you'll get about 3 years, Copper or plated blocks can last for ever (just replace o-ring now and then), Fittings last for ever just replace o-rings. A good water cooling kit will out last you PC if you maintain it. Cheap kits last a couple of years.

That is patina from the rad. Its a natural protective layer from when the rad was in storage before you bought it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patina#:~:text=Patina (%2Fpəˈt,acquired change of a surface
 
This is why when buying equipment (and even second hand equipment) you must toughly clean it before using. Your coolant has done its job correctly lifting the particles into suspension and they have layered on top of the fluid. With that much patina I would recommend a full clean down and replacement of fluid.

More explanatory info. When you buy new radiator or ever second hand radiator, air gets to the copper and brass inside, Copper creates a barrier to protect its self called "Patina" and is produced by oxidation (air and copper meeting and reacting). Good copper creates more Patina. This is unavoidable even though you may think your radiator is sealed and clean it will happen because at the factory air has already got to it. The longer air is there the more patina is created. Patina comes in many colours from green, brown, black, deep dark brown/red. 
 
Now coolant has serval properties about it and i wont go in to much depth about all the things it does, However one of the ingredients is Inhibitor. Now there are many types of inhibitor some good for liquid cooling some not so good but the basics is they work in one of two ways to help protect the system. 
 
1) The debris from the system and suspended in it till it gets to a place such as your reservoir. If the particles are small enough and light enough they will keep in suspension and keep circulating around your system, if they are light they may float to the top of your reservoir or were any air gap that isn't effected by the flow of the fluid. "Corsair XL5 coolant" uses this method.
 
2) Layering effect, Some inhibitors work by layering a microscopic protective layer around your entire system stopping and extra build up.
 
Hope this helps.

Most AIO manufacturers leave a tiny bit of air inside the loop, most likely for expansion as the coolant heats up and has to go somewhere, otherwise you could build up pressure inside the loop (my hypothesis). Can't believe you got 6 years out of the AIO so far. 

Hello For Science!
 
"REACH" Regulations state we do not have to say the full chemical mix up for what we use in our products , if and only if there is less than 1% of it. E.g Zinc uses 0.02% per 100ml in concentrate. Because we use less than 0.02% also it is regarded as safe but we would prefer users to get rid off it in a better manner than throwing down the drain. We also do not mention some products due to the commercial sensitiveness related to them! all again with in REACH regulations.
 
We no longer make EK coolants and having nothing to do with there docs.

Ref our ethylene glycol, it is none toxic and uses an additive that stops it from being metabolically ingested, there for non toxic (studies and tests have been carried out). Patent can be found here -> https://www.google.com/patents/EP1303573A4?cl=en . Again its less than 1% again with in reach Regulations with in the European union.

Mayhems is the "only" Gold REACH standard company in the liquid cooling world and all our documents have to be verified by the REACH compliance agency here in the UK. 

Hope this helps.
 
P.s i do not visit these forums and i am mainly on OCN if you need any direct support or please visit our site www.mayhems.net.

Hi For Science!
 
You are correct in saying our doc are not 100% accurate and the ratio in ETG (just my nick name for it) is less than stated and is a mix of more than 2 chemicals in total. The ratio is diffrent than stated how ever it all comes under a single classification when all merged together (due to atom bonding it is 1 named chemical due to there is no other name for it).  Some chemicals we use such as a deformers = 1 drop (0.2ml) to 125 ltrs of Concentrate, hence again not stated This is just an example. The pure mixture of ETG is not made in Mayhems due to its toxicity when raw and has to be processed very accurately with the other chemicals at an external factory (large scale). When it comes to us we then process it further and refine the product to our own specification and colour as required. This makes us what is known as a downstream user and this is where the law changes. https://echa.europa.eu/regulations/reach/downstream-users/about-downstream-users/who-is-a-downstream-user
 
Like large scale companies we have very strict guidelines we have to follow and if we deviate from these we could fall foul of the law. Mayhems is pushing for some thing called ISO 9001 (http://asq.org/learn-about-quality/iso-9000/iso-9001-2015/), We are not there yet! but pretty close and we have to be able to prove and show all process and products we make or buy in, We also have to show we can trace all products from source (this is the hard bit) and more. If we get ISO-9001 we will be one of the only companies in the PC water cooling market to get it, just like we have the REACH Gold certification. At Mayhems (my beloved hobby) we are changing the way users see us and the way we do business. Our testing methods top all other companies and our R&D work, even on other companies products is well above and beyond any other company out there. If we get the blame for some thing (Alphacool is a prime example) we will buy in all there products, test them and find the issue and if its not our fault, i'm pretty much open about it and will fight it to the best of my ability. We even created the blitz kit cleaning system because there rads were so badly cleaned and they simply do not care! we had to do some thing about it.
 
We ship world wide and in some countries we have to prove beyond doubt our products do what they say and our SDS sheets are correct. This includes literally adding a book with all the information about the process and the R&D in the shipment. Shipping chemicals in the world today is nightmare and you have to be on top of your game to be able to do it.
 
I could spend all day chatting how i hate how we have been asked to remove some details on our labels as we gave to much information to the public and German government body's do not like it. You world think it was good to give loads of info but apparently no its bad :/.
 
There is so much wrong in this world and i would love to be able to correct it. Every time we do i ether get called some thing i am not or i am forced to change some thing. Not good. I do feel you pain and i do understand your reasoning. The law is a corrupt system there to help big companies and to hide as much information from the public as possible.
 
Mick

(excuse any spelling mistakes or grammar i have dyslexia and try my best). Google only fixes so much.

Leave this with me and ill look into it on the new site we are building from the ground up.

And thank you for your input.
 
Mick

Leave this with me and ill look into it on the new site we are building from the ground up.

And thank you for your input.
 
Mick

Leave this with me and ill look into it on the new site we are building from the ground up.

And thank you for your input.
 
Mick

Hello All.
 
Yes we have been working with CPI for a very long time so the message starter on OCN is a little deceiving and ill correct that. We have worked with CPI in the past to make several coolants more stable and the knowledge we have gained from that is allowing us to produce a new coolant from the ground up. The new coolant is a Graphene based type product (cannot go into much detail about it).

What are its advantages so far  and why make it?
 
1) Its is Chemically inert to PH imbalances.
2) Uses a very limited amount of chemicals.
3) Possibly up to 20 to 30% better cooling than water alone (tested in lab environment not real world as of yet).
4) 1 nm thick (pastel is 40nm and aurora 40 to 100nm)
5) Completely new tech never been done before.
6) Uses tech that lubricates pumps and o-rings on the fly with out wetting them.
7) Will prolong the life of your equipment.
8) Should out last the life of your PC. (TBC)
9) Initially will cost a little more to start with but should come down in price as and if we do go into full production, 
 
Why do it ... why not :). 
 
Initially it will not be coloured as this effects its raw performance.
 
Mick

Hello All.
 
Yes we have been working with CPI for a very long time so the message starter on OCN is a little deceiving and ill correct that. We have worked with CPI in the past to make several coolants more stable and the knowledge we have gained from that is allowing us to produce a new coolant from the ground up. The new coolant is a Graphene based type product (cannot go into much detail about it).

What are its advantages so far  and why make it?
 
1) Its is Chemically inert to PH imbalances.
2) Uses a very limited amount of chemicals.
3) Possibly up to 20 to 30% better cooling than water alone (tested in lab environment not real world as of yet).
4) 1 nm thick (pastel is 40nm and aurora 40 to 100nm)
5) Completely new tech never been done before.
6) Uses tech that lubricates pumps and o-rings on the fly with out wetting them.
7) Will prolong the life of your equipment.
8) Should out last the life of your PC. (TBC)
9) Initially will cost a little more to start with but should come down in price as and if we do go into full production, 
 
Why do it ... why not :). 
 
Initially it will not be coloured as this effects its raw performance.
 
Mick

Hello All.
 
Yes we have been working with CPI for a very long time so the message starter on OCN is a little deceiving and ill correct that. We have worked with CPI in the past to make several coolants more stable and the knowledge we have gained from that is allowing us to produce a new coolant from the ground up. The new coolant is a Graphene based type product (cannot go into much detail about it).

What are its advantages so far  and why make it?
 
1) Its is Chemically inert to PH imbalances.
2) Uses a very limited amount of chemicals.
3) Possibly up to 20 to 30% better cooling than water alone (tested in lab environment not real world as of yet).
4) 1 nm thick (pastel is 40nm and aurora 40 to 100nm)
5) Completely new tech never been done before.
6) Uses tech that lubricates pumps and o-rings on the fly with out wetting them.
7) Will prolong the life of your equipment.
8) Should out last the life of your PC. (TBC)
9) Initially will cost a little more to start with but should come down in price as and if we do go into full production, 
 
Why do it ... why not :). 
 
Initially it will not be coloured as this effects its raw performance.
 
Mick

Hello All.
 
Yes we have been working with CPI for a very long time so the message starter on OCN is a little deceiving and ill correct that. We have worked with CPI in the past to make several coolants more stable and the knowledge we have gained from that is allowing us to produce a new coolant from the ground up. The new coolant is a Graphene based type product (cannot go into much detail about it).

What are its advantages so far  and why make it?
 
1) Its is Chemically inert to PH imbalances.
2) Uses a very limited amount of chemicals.
3) Possibly up to 20 to 30% better cooling than water alone (tested in lab environment not real world as of yet).
4) 1 nm thick (pastel is 40nm and aurora 40 to 100nm)
5) Completely new tech never been done before.
6) Uses tech that lubricates pumps and o-rings on the fly with out wetting them.
7) Will prolong the life of your equipment.
8) Should out last the life of your PC. (TBC)
9) Initially will cost a little more to start with but should come down in price as and if we do go into full production, 
 
Why do it ... why not :). 
 
Initially it will not be coloured as this effects its raw performance.
 
Mick

Hello All.
 
Yes we have been working with CPI for a very long time so the message starter on OCN is a little deceiving and ill correct that. We have worked with CPI in the past to make several coolants more stable and the knowledge we have gained from that is allowing us to produce a new coolant from the ground up. The new coolant is a Graphene based type product (cannot go into much detail about it).

What are its advantages so far  and why make it?
 
1) Its is Chemically inert to PH imbalances.
2) Uses a very limited amount of chemicals.
3) Possibly up to 20 to 30% better cooling than water alone (tested in lab environment not real world as of yet).
4) 1 nm thick (pastel is 40nm and aurora 40 to 100nm)
5) Completely new tech never been done before.
6) Uses tech that lubricates pumps and o-rings on the fly with out wetting them.
7) Will prolong the life of your equipment.
8) Should out last the life of your PC. (TBC)
9) Initially will cost a little more to start with but should come down in price as and if we do go into full production, 
 
Why do it ... why not :). 
 
Initially it will not be coloured as this effects its raw performance.
 
Mick

Hello All.
 
Yes we have been working with CPI for a very long time so the message starter on OCN is a little deceiving and ill correct that. We have worked with CPI in the past to make several coolants more stable and the knowledge we have gained from that is allowing us to produce a new coolant from the ground up. The new coolant is a Graphene based type product (cannot go into much detail about it).

What are its advantages so far  and why make it?
 
1) Its is Chemically inert to PH imbalances.
2) Uses a very limited amount of chemicals.
3) Possibly up to 20 to 30% better cooling than water alone (tested in lab environment not real world as of yet).
4) 1 nm thick (pastel is 40nm and aurora 40 to 100nm)
5) Completely new tech never been done before.
6) Uses tech that lubricates pumps and o-rings on the fly with out wetting them.
7) Will prolong the life of your equipment.
8) Should out last the life of your PC. (TBC)
9) Initially will cost a little more to start with but should come down in price as and if we do go into full production, 
 
Why do it ... why not :). 
 
Initially it will not be coloured as this effects its raw performance.
 
Mick