Coltaine

All we really know is that Zen2 is a die shrink/refinement of current Zen. But it seems probable that AMD will continue soldering the IHS.

For my part I don't think it is sensationalist at all, far from it. My concern would simply be that I want to see proper competition back in the market and a healthy AMD is PART of how that will happen. Just look at Intel's response to ThreadRipper. 
 
I have both Intel and AMD systems running and I'm happy with both, 1 is a server the other my desktop, I have a small bias towards AMD, but only because I feel Intel has been taking the piss for a long time. Yes AMD have perhaps not helped themselves, but none the less my point stands that Intel COULD have pushed CPU tech far more than it has in the last decade but has chosen not to and charged people for the privilege. 
 
I think all people want is something like a single bug that AMD are likely to fix shortly not over hyped as a doom and gloom problem that will sink the platform. 
 
I do completely agree that people need to not be so upset, focus on the facts and stick with the discussion. So, on that point I would like to point out here that it will be VERY interesting to see how AMD responds to this bug. 

Interestingly they will apparently ship to Norway, that is something I've never seen when looking at PC parts at US based e-tailers.

Interestingly they will apparently ship to Norway, that is something I've never seen when looking at PC parts at US based e-tailers.

1080ti
if you are "future proofing" get a ryzen 1600 or 1700 

I did do a complete DDU clean and fresh install of the GPU drivers when I installed the 17.7.1 drivers, finally caved and installed ReLive, it's been nagging at me for long enough. Anyway, as I mentioned to the other guys, I'll just not bother, it's an old card, it'll only run DX12 features emulated and it's not that long until this GPU is in the recycle bin.

So, I had a couple of drives that died on me, well one was technically salvageable but there wasn't really anything worth going through the effort for. So I decided I'd take them apart, because I need more fridge magnets, and the platters are really shiny and... that's probably useful.. For something. Also it's a roundabout way to destroy everything on the HDD if you're really concerned about that sort of thing. So, here we go.
 
First off you'll need a couple of things.
 
A broken HDD, or a not broken one you want to destroy A TX-8 screwdriver or bit or one of those angled keys, (A TX5 screwdriver or bit or one of those angled keys, not sure about this one, I almost never use torx that small) A pair of needle nosed pliers if you don't have the required TX screwdriver for one of the screws A flathead screwdriver About 10-20 minutes of time Now secondly this WILL BREAK YOUR HARD DISK DRIVE, do NOT do this unless you're willing to DESTROY the drive.(Unless you for some reason have a clean room and all the required things to avoid permanently breaking a drive that is.)
 
Now, most of the pictures I took are pretty blurry, I didn't put much effort into that, but I've added annotations where necessary, and there will be text to go with each picture.
 
The first step is to remove a bunch of labels and little stickers that hide the bolts, it's a bit manufacture specific but for the most part the screws should be in about the same place as shown here.(Note: two screws are removed, but it's kinda obvious where they go) This is the point of no return, once you've taken off even one of the screws there are no guarantees that your HDD will ever work again.
 

 
It's pretty hard to tell from the picture, but all except one of the gray blurs are little TX-8 screws, the only one that isn't a screw is the one that is just below the top right one. Just remove all of these, and the one in the middle has its own explanation.
 
Now, the lid should be ready to pop off, shouldn't be too tricky, just use a flat head screwdriver or a knife or something to help it along, if you can get a good grip you should be able to tear it off with just your hands.
 

 
Now, once that's off you'll be greeted by something like this
 

 
So yeah, that's what a HDD looks like on the inside. Those platters are real tough things, it might just be a WD thing, but I've shot a couple of similar drives and unless you hit dead center the platters will absorb a shot from a S&W 1911 .45" ACP and .357" magnum shots from a revolver.(Incidentally so will a stock AMD heatsink, well from the Athlon series at least, haven't shot any other heatsinks..)
 
Now the parts I want, the magnets.
 

 
You'll, I'd say, definitely need something to pry those suckers loose, afaik they're neodynium magnets and they're damn strong, at least when you stick them together like they are inside a HDD-
 

 
Trusty old flathead screwdriver should do the trick.
 

 
Takes a bit of fenangeling but it'll come right off, no screws holding it down. Next up is the end stop for the read/write head. Again the flathead screwdriver comes in handy, or pliers if you prefer that.
 

 
Should pop right off enabling you to turn the read/write head far enough to the side to lift it off.
 

 
The black connector is loosely glued in place, or just slightly stuck to the rubber grommet/seal. The final magnet is held down by a single screw, in some older drives and maybe some other manufacturers drives it might be glued in place. (I don't know why this picture has the wrong orientation, it just has for some reason no matter what I do, re-uploaded, changing orientation on photobucket.. Just nope)
 

 
Now the platters, these are by now completely screwed and unusable for most people without very specialized equipment. So no worries about smearing them with fingerprints and whatnot.
 
The stack is held in place by a central flange which is held down by a bunch of little screws. I think these have a TX size a step down from TX-8, but I managed to get them out by applying a good amount of pressure on the screwdriver.
 

 
You're gonna get a lot of fingerprints on the platters now, the easiest way to avoid the whole thing to rotate is to just put your thumb on the outer edge of the platter and then undo the screws. Once you've gotten the hold down flange off you can take the first platter off.
 

 
Now, to get the rest of the platters off you need to remove one more screw, this is a TX-8 head screw.. Not really sure what the bits it's holding in place does, I can only assume it's some kind of anti-wobble device(Again, no idea what's up with the orientation on this picture.. .. It only says TX-8 head bolt anyway)
 

 
Just for context:
 

 
Once you've undone that screw you can just turn the entire thing upside down and the platters should come out, it might take a few attempts to get all of them out, but there's nothing holding them in place anymore. Between each platter there's a spacer ring.
 
Now if you're really paranoid you might want to destroy the PCB as well, you can remove this first or last, doesn't really matter, just a few screws holding it in place.
 

 
All the screws undone, just pull the sucker right off.
 

 
There. Now you have some really expensive fridge magnets, or a very shiny wind chime, or the option to melt the platters.. Or something, in any case, this is pretty easy and straightforward and anyone can do this if they have the tools for it at least.
 
NOTE: In some drives, (this might just apply to really really old drives not really sure) the platters might be made of glass or ceramics, try not to break them because you'll probably cut yourself real bad and make an incredible mess that will leave you with glass/ceramic shards all over your room for years. AFAIK most modern drives have aluminium platters with a magnetic oxide layer on them, but do be careful.
 
So yeah, the best way to destroy all data on the disk? I'd say take an angle grinder to the platters and grind off all the oxide, or a blowtorch, or ... Something, be creative Or you could just tie a string to it and hang it on a frame and use the platters as a wind chime. Do whatever you want.
 
Also, I'm in no way responsible for anything that happens because you opened your HDD.

So now they're coming q3 this year... I just emailed noctua about it and this is what they said. http://imgur.com/gallery/TKdFIYM/new

Ah, that's what I get for not paying attention to PC stuff for a few years
 
I set the DRAM to 1600, and went in under the North Bridge settings to disable ECC, things seem to have stabilized, so for now I'm crossing my fingers. Thanks for the answer though, I'll look more into it tomorrow after work.

They can still have 1 log-in without the need for you to display your full name to everyone on the internet.

So, I had a couple of drives that died on me, well one was technically salvageable but there wasn't really anything worth going through the effort for. So I decided I'd take them apart, because I need more fridge magnets, and the platters are really shiny and... that's probably useful.. For something. Also it's a roundabout way to destroy everything on the HDD if you're really concerned about that sort of thing. So, here we go.
 
First off you'll need a couple of things.
 
A broken HDD, or a not broken one you want to destroy A TX-8 screwdriver or bit or one of those angled keys, (A TX5 screwdriver or bit or one of those angled keys, not sure about this one, I almost never use torx that small) A pair of needle nosed pliers if you don't have the required TX screwdriver for one of the screws A flathead screwdriver About 10-20 minutes of time Now secondly this WILL BREAK YOUR HARD DISK DRIVE, do NOT do this unless you're willing to DESTROY the drive.(Unless you for some reason have a clean room and all the required things to avoid permanently breaking a drive that is.)
 
Now, most of the pictures I took are pretty blurry, I didn't put much effort into that, but I've added annotations where necessary, and there will be text to go with each picture.
 
The first step is to remove a bunch of labels and little stickers that hide the bolts, it's a bit manufacture specific but for the most part the screws should be in about the same place as shown here.(Note: two screws are removed, but it's kinda obvious where they go) This is the point of no return, once you've taken off even one of the screws there are no guarantees that your HDD will ever work again.
 

 
It's pretty hard to tell from the picture, but all except one of the gray blurs are little TX-8 screws, the only one that isn't a screw is the one that is just below the top right one. Just remove all of these, and the one in the middle has its own explanation.
 
Now, the lid should be ready to pop off, shouldn't be too tricky, just use a flat head screwdriver or a knife or something to help it along, if you can get a good grip you should be able to tear it off with just your hands.
 

 
Now, once that's off you'll be greeted by something like this
 

 
So yeah, that's what a HDD looks like on the inside. Those platters are real tough things, it might just be a WD thing, but I've shot a couple of similar drives and unless you hit dead center the platters will absorb a shot from a S&W 1911 .45" ACP and .357" magnum shots from a revolver.(Incidentally so will a stock AMD heatsink, well from the Athlon series at least, haven't shot any other heatsinks..)
 
Now the parts I want, the magnets.
 

 
You'll, I'd say, definitely need something to pry those suckers loose, afaik they're neodynium magnets and they're damn strong, at least when you stick them together like they are inside a HDD-
 

 
Trusty old flathead screwdriver should do the trick.
 

 
Takes a bit of fenangeling but it'll come right off, no screws holding it down. Next up is the end stop for the read/write head. Again the flathead screwdriver comes in handy, or pliers if you prefer that.
 

 
Should pop right off enabling you to turn the read/write head far enough to the side to lift it off.
 

 
The black connector is loosely glued in place, or just slightly stuck to the rubber grommet/seal. The final magnet is held down by a single screw, in some older drives and maybe some other manufacturers drives it might be glued in place. (I don't know why this picture has the wrong orientation, it just has for some reason no matter what I do, re-uploaded, changing orientation on photobucket.. Just nope)
 

 
Now the platters, these are by now completely screwed and unusable for most people without very specialized equipment. So no worries about smearing them with fingerprints and whatnot.
 
The stack is held in place by a central flange which is held down by a bunch of little screws. I think these have a TX size a step down from TX-8, but I managed to get them out by applying a good amount of pressure on the screwdriver.
 

 
You're gonna get a lot of fingerprints on the platters now, the easiest way to avoid the whole thing to rotate is to just put your thumb on the outer edge of the platter and then undo the screws. Once you've gotten the hold down flange off you can take the first platter off.
 

 
Now, to get the rest of the platters off you need to remove one more screw, this is a TX-8 head screw.. Not really sure what the bits it's holding in place does, I can only assume it's some kind of anti-wobble device(Again, no idea what's up with the orientation on this picture.. .. It only says TX-8 head bolt anyway)
 

 
Just for context:
 

 
Once you've undone that screw you can just turn the entire thing upside down and the platters should come out, it might take a few attempts to get all of them out, but there's nothing holding them in place anymore. Between each platter there's a spacer ring.
 
Now if you're really paranoid you might want to destroy the PCB as well, you can remove this first or last, doesn't really matter, just a few screws holding it in place.
 

 
All the screws undone, just pull the sucker right off.
 

 
There. Now you have some really expensive fridge magnets, or a very shiny wind chime, or the option to melt the platters.. Or something, in any case, this is pretty easy and straightforward and anyone can do this if they have the tools for it at least.
 
NOTE: In some drives, (this might just apply to really really old drives not really sure) the platters might be made of glass or ceramics, try not to break them because you'll probably cut yourself real bad and make an incredible mess that will leave you with glass/ceramic shards all over your room for years. AFAIK most modern drives have aluminium platters with a magnetic oxide layer on them, but do be careful.
 
So yeah, the best way to destroy all data on the disk? I'd say take an angle grinder to the platters and grind off all the oxide, or a blowtorch, or ... Something, be creative Or you could just tie a string to it and hang it on a frame and use the platters as a wind chime. Do whatever you want.
 
Also, I'm in no way responsible for anything that happens because you opened your HDD.

So, I had a couple of drives that died on me, well one was technically salvageable but there wasn't really anything worth going through the effort for. So I decided I'd take them apart, because I need more fridge magnets, and the platters are really shiny and... that's probably useful.. For something. Also it's a roundabout way to destroy everything on the HDD if you're really concerned about that sort of thing. So, here we go.
 
First off you'll need a couple of things.
 
A broken HDD, or a not broken one you want to destroy A TX-8 screwdriver or bit or one of those angled keys, (A TX5 screwdriver or bit or one of those angled keys, not sure about this one, I almost never use torx that small) A pair of needle nosed pliers if you don't have the required TX screwdriver for one of the screws A flathead screwdriver About 10-20 minutes of time Now secondly this WILL BREAK YOUR HARD DISK DRIVE, do NOT do this unless you're willing to DESTROY the drive.(Unless you for some reason have a clean room and all the required things to avoid permanently breaking a drive that is.)
 
Now, most of the pictures I took are pretty blurry, I didn't put much effort into that, but I've added annotations where necessary, and there will be text to go with each picture.
 
The first step is to remove a bunch of labels and little stickers that hide the bolts, it's a bit manufacture specific but for the most part the screws should be in about the same place as shown here.(Note: two screws are removed, but it's kinda obvious where they go) This is the point of no return, once you've taken off even one of the screws there are no guarantees that your HDD will ever work again.
 

 
It's pretty hard to tell from the picture, but all except one of the gray blurs are little TX-8 screws, the only one that isn't a screw is the one that is just below the top right one. Just remove all of these, and the one in the middle has its own explanation.
 
Now, the lid should be ready to pop off, shouldn't be too tricky, just use a flat head screwdriver or a knife or something to help it along, if you can get a good grip you should be able to tear it off with just your hands.
 

 
Now, once that's off you'll be greeted by something like this
 

 
So yeah, that's what a HDD looks like on the inside. Those platters are real tough things, it might just be a WD thing, but I've shot a couple of similar drives and unless you hit dead center the platters will absorb a shot from a S&W 1911 .45" ACP and .357" magnum shots from a revolver.(Incidentally so will a stock AMD heatsink, well from the Athlon series at least, haven't shot any other heatsinks..)
 
Now the parts I want, the magnets.
 

 
You'll, I'd say, definitely need something to pry those suckers loose, afaik they're neodynium magnets and they're damn strong, at least when you stick them together like they are inside a HDD-
 

 
Trusty old flathead screwdriver should do the trick.
 

 
Takes a bit of fenangeling but it'll come right off, no screws holding it down. Next up is the end stop for the read/write head. Again the flathead screwdriver comes in handy, or pliers if you prefer that.
 

 
Should pop right off enabling you to turn the read/write head far enough to the side to lift it off.
 

 
The black connector is loosely glued in place, or just slightly stuck to the rubber grommet/seal. The final magnet is held down by a single screw, in some older drives and maybe some other manufacturers drives it might be glued in place. (I don't know why this picture has the wrong orientation, it just has for some reason no matter what I do, re-uploaded, changing orientation on photobucket.. Just nope)
 

 
Now the platters, these are by now completely screwed and unusable for most people without very specialized equipment. So no worries about smearing them with fingerprints and whatnot.
 
The stack is held in place by a central flange which is held down by a bunch of little screws. I think these have a TX size a step down from TX-8, but I managed to get them out by applying a good amount of pressure on the screwdriver.
 

 
You're gonna get a lot of fingerprints on the platters now, the easiest way to avoid the whole thing to rotate is to just put your thumb on the outer edge of the platter and then undo the screws. Once you've gotten the hold down flange off you can take the first platter off.
 

 
Now, to get the rest of the platters off you need to remove one more screw, this is a TX-8 head screw.. Not really sure what the bits it's holding in place does, I can only assume it's some kind of anti-wobble device(Again, no idea what's up with the orientation on this picture.. .. It only says TX-8 head bolt anyway)
 

 
Just for context:
 

 
Once you've undone that screw you can just turn the entire thing upside down and the platters should come out, it might take a few attempts to get all of them out, but there's nothing holding them in place anymore. Between each platter there's a spacer ring.
 
Now if you're really paranoid you might want to destroy the PCB as well, you can remove this first or last, doesn't really matter, just a few screws holding it in place.
 

 
All the screws undone, just pull the sucker right off.
 

 
There. Now you have some really expensive fridge magnets, or a very shiny wind chime, or the option to melt the platters.. Or something, in any case, this is pretty easy and straightforward and anyone can do this if they have the tools for it at least.
 
NOTE: In some drives, (this might just apply to really really old drives not really sure) the platters might be made of glass or ceramics, try not to break them because you'll probably cut yourself real bad and make an incredible mess that will leave you with glass/ceramic shards all over your room for years. AFAIK most modern drives have aluminium platters with a magnetic oxide layer on them, but do be careful.
 
So yeah, the best way to destroy all data on the disk? I'd say take an angle grinder to the platters and grind off all the oxide, or a blowtorch, or ... Something, be creative Or you could just tie a string to it and hang it on a frame and use the platters as a wind chime. Do whatever you want.
 
Also, I'm in no way responsible for anything that happens because you opened your HDD.

I don't know how many follow Veritaseum on YouTube, but he made some interesting videos about Facebook and how they do business not too long ago. Very well presented, as you'd expect from Veritaseum.
 

 

 
Is Facebook eventually just going to be a wasteland of posts no one can see and click bots?

I don't know how many follow Veritaseum on YouTube, but he made some interesting videos about Facebook and how they do business not too long ago. Very well presented, as you'd expect from Veritaseum.
 

 

 
Is Facebook eventually just going to be a wasteland of posts no one can see and click bots?

I don't know how many follow Veritaseum on YouTube, but he made some interesting videos about Facebook and how they do business not too long ago. Very well presented, as you'd expect from Veritaseum.
 

 

 
Is Facebook eventually just going to be a wasteland of posts no one can see and click bots?

I don't know how many follow Veritaseum on YouTube, but he made some interesting videos about Facebook and how they do business not too long ago. Very well presented, as you'd expect from Veritaseum.
 

 

 
Is Facebook eventually just going to be a wasteland of posts no one can see and click bots?

I don't know how many follow Veritaseum on YouTube, but he made some interesting videos about Facebook and how they do business not too long ago. Very well presented, as you'd expect from Veritaseum.
 

 

 
Is Facebook eventually just going to be a wasteland of posts no one can see and click bots?

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/8/5393208/flappy-bird-creator-says-hes-pulling-the-game-offline-tomorrow
 
Game was not "Stolen" Dong Nguyen got more notoriety than he wanted, also he probably got a lot of crap from Nintendo fanboys because he used a graphic that looked like a Mario pipe.. Etc etc etc. I understand he didn't want to deal with that nonsense.

I just like water cooling better. There's a reason car engines went from air cooled to water cooled.
 
 
 
 
Well, I'm not really going for the overclocking, and I'm not that anal about keeping the absolute lowest temperatures. Besides if I was going for air cooling I'd be in the other forum, you know the one called "Air Cooling"

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2014/02/woz-interview/
 
 
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Well, that'd be a thing if it happened. I wonder how the fanboys would react to something like that.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2014/02/woz-interview/
 
 
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Well, that'd be a thing if it happened. I wonder how the fanboys would react to something like that.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2014/02/woz-interview/
 
 
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Well, that'd be a thing if it happened. I wonder how the fanboys would react to something like that.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2014/02/woz-interview/
 
 
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Well, that'd be a thing if it happened. I wonder how the fanboys would react to something like that.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-all-visitors-sochi-olympics-immediately-hacked_778718.html
 
NBC: All Visitors to Sochi Olympics Immediately Hacked
 
Richard Engel reported last night on NBC that all visitors to the Sochi Olympics are getting hacked as soon as their electronic devices connect to any Russian network:
 

 
"As tourists and families of athletes arrive in Sochi, if they haven't been warned, and if they fire up their phones at baggage claim, it's probably too late to save the integrity of their electronics and everything inside them. Visitors to Russia can expect to be hacked. And as Richard Engel found out upon his arrival there, it's not a matter of if, but when," reports NBC's Brian Williams.
 
Engel says, "The State Department warns that travelers should have no expectation of privacy. Even in their hotel rooms. And as we found out, you are especially exposed as soon as you try and communicate with anything."
 
"One of the first thing visitors to Russia will do is log on," says Engel. "Hackers here are counting on it." They test the system in the report -- and are, as one might expect, immediately hacked the moment the test computer connects with the Russian network.
 
"Malicious software hijacked our phone before we even finished our coffee, stealing my information, and giving hackers the option to tap and record my phone calls."
 
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Well, considering the way the wifi is set up over there, I'm not surprised.
 

 
EDIT: Cleaned up the text formatting a little.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-all-visitors-sochi-olympics-immediately-hacked_778718.html
 
NBC: All Visitors to Sochi Olympics Immediately Hacked
 
Richard Engel reported last night on NBC that all visitors to the Sochi Olympics are getting hacked as soon as their electronic devices connect to any Russian network:
 

 
"As tourists and families of athletes arrive in Sochi, if they haven't been warned, and if they fire up their phones at baggage claim, it's probably too late to save the integrity of their electronics and everything inside them. Visitors to Russia can expect to be hacked. And as Richard Engel found out upon his arrival there, it's not a matter of if, but when," reports NBC's Brian Williams.
 
Engel says, "The State Department warns that travelers should have no expectation of privacy. Even in their hotel rooms. And as we found out, you are especially exposed as soon as you try and communicate with anything."
 
"One of the first thing visitors to Russia will do is log on," says Engel. "Hackers here are counting on it." They test the system in the report -- and are, as one might expect, immediately hacked the moment the test computer connects with the Russian network.
 
"Malicious software hijacked our phone before we even finished our coffee, stealing my information, and giving hackers the option to tap and record my phone calls."
 
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Well, considering the way the wifi is set up over there, I'm not surprised.
 

 
EDIT: Cleaned up the text formatting a little.