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It really depends on what the case offers, around 150 I think, I was about to get the 216 for 100 bucks but am always concerned about bending.

How's the sturdiness? Like is it solid or does it flex?

What's in your opinion a quality case with good airflow and no flex? Something that feels sturdy and reliable?

Technically, through a bios update, they could allow the first slot to run at Gen 5 without affecting the first x16 slot since the raptor lake refresh will come with 4 more lanes, right? I could use the 10 GB in the future but having it as a PCI-e expansion card, I find that a lot more attractive because of drivers and different 10G manufacturers and besides that it isn't all that feature rich given the price as you've said, also looking at the power stage. Will the Z690 board support the XMP of a 6400 ram which would be just plug and play for me? Any other drawbacks when it comes to having a Raptor refresh on it? So you're saying I should go with the Ace? instead of the Taichi Lite? I mean, these two boards actually would be the same price for me: https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/MSI-MEG-Z690-ACE-So-1700-DDR5-ATX-Retail_1438260.html https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-Z790-Taichi-Lite-Intel-S1700-4xDDR5-retail_1504304.html Or should I give the Taichi Lite a try? Last ASRock I owner was with an Athlon in my first build.

They do have a good bios? Why are people complaining then so much? Would the Lite full under the high end category? So you're saying I actually made a good choice? Alright so it's either between the Z690 Ace and Z790-H gotcha. Probably the Z790-F as well? I checked out the Proart which is feature right but given the price lacks really quality components and probably doesn't have 8 layers of PCB. Would I lose anything over the Z790 in terms of features with the Z690 besides simply what the motherboard can do on paper? The Taichi Lite actually for the price packs more features like a Gen 5 M.2 slot and better powerstage for the VRM for less money, that's why I'm kind of worried that it's not well controlled / backed by reliable drivers and maybe unstable in design? I guess I could give the Taichi Lite a shot, but also am not seeing so many people on YouTube actually using it for their builds also, many things that I've started to question. I only had one asrock board for my first self-built build with an AMD Athlon, which has been a while lol. Finding a middle ground for that highest tier seems to be quite difficult without spending too much money, I guess choosing the 14700K wouldn't change much since it also draws almost as much just less at the verge be would in terms of recommendation simply go back to what you recommended in the beginning?

Thanks a lot man, I've ordered now the Ram and PSU with your help. After having read all the comments on ASRock experience though, even though that motherboard has amazing specs, everything that I'd want, I realized it might not be a good choice in terms of BIOS and customer support in case I do have an issue with it so I'll have to reconsider which board I have to pick... Man I'm going mad Can you give me a last time recommendation-wise what you'd think would cover me for running a 13900 / 14900K on a reliable motherboard that will last me some years? Sorry I've been going back and forth like this but I haven't dealt with hardware so much besides a custom Ram OC I did for a friend on his X570 since 2019 when I put my Z390 build together.

I used to do it the exact same way you do and I guess forgot , maybe for a bit nervous with all the new specs and different way of how nowadays' CPUs pull power compared to Intel Gen 9. I think our PSUs should be almost the same age, I picked the EVGA G2 with 850 watts but it's going to be 7 1/2 to 8 years old and needs to be replaced. So you're saying the Trident Zs aren't really good this time around? The were superb when I got them at PC3200 Spec CL14. Any other brand and series you'd recommend besides the Vengeance for the 6400 kit at CL32?

What about the cooler of this Corsair's Vengeance kit with RGB? https://geizhals.de/corsair-vengeance-rgb-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-cmh32gx5m2b6400c32-a2872171.html?t=v&hloc=at&hloc=de&va=b Yeah I'm about to get one but stuck on choosing between these if it came to 1000 watts: RM1000x https://geizhals.de/corsair-rmx-shift-series-rm1000x-1000w-atx-3-0-cp-9020253-eu-a2888904.html?t=v&vl=de&va=b&hloc=at&hloc=de Cooler Master MWE Gold V2 https://geizhals.de/cooler-master-mwe-gold-v2-fully-modular-1050w-atx-3-0-mpe-a501-afcag-3eu-a2867817.html?t=v&vl=de&va=b&hloc=at&hloc=de Deepcool PX1000G https://geizhals.de/deepcool-px-g-series-px1000g-1000w-atx-3-0-r-pxa00g-fc0b-eu-a2962977.html?t=v&vl=de&va=b&hloc=at&hloc=de Be Quiet! Pure Power 12 M https://geizhals.de/be-quiet-pure-power-12-m-1000w-atx-3-0-bn345-a2884016.html?t=v&vl=de&va=b&hloc=at&hloc=de What do you think? Some of them are reviewed in detail here: https://hwbusters.com/category/psus/ Any other PSU you can recommend?

Should I go for the Trident Z DDR5-6400, CL32-39-39-102: https://geizhals.de/corsair-vengeance-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-cmk32gx5m2b6400c32-a2866111.html?t=v&hloc=at&hloc=de&va=b or Corsair Vengeance CL32-40-40-48: https://geizhals.de/g-skill-trident-z5-rgb-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-f5-6400j3239g16gx2-tz5rk-a2669242.html?hloc=at&hloc=de found also these Vengeance with RGB in DDR5-6400, CL32-40-40-84: https://geizhals.de/corsair-vengeance-rgb-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-cmh32gx5m2b6400c32-a2872171.html?t=v&hloc=at&hloc=de&va=b ---- Still not sure whether I should pick 850 or 1000 Watts.

I think I'll go either for the Corsair RMx Shift or the Be Quiet Pure Power, don't know yet. Do you think I should go 1000 or 850 Watts?

Also the Thermaltake ToughPower GF3?

So far, for me it's between the be quiet! Pure Power 12 M, DeepCool PX-G, Corsair RM1000e and RMx SHIFT Series RM1000x. What do you guys think?

Can anyone tell me why they classify the Be Quite Pure Power with ATX 3.0 as EOL?

Lots of new ATX 3.0 power supplies are missing though?

Couldn't find anything that includes the new power supplies. Should I go with single or multi rail for 13th / 14th Gen Intel 13600k upwards. Also, in whatever newer on mentionings I found, be quiet's pure power isn't listed.

What about the Corsair RM1000e vs RM1000x?

I'm also using the system for Pro Tools but given it's preformance I probably won't have more load than the most demanding game.

I'm about to put a 13700k system together and down below is my pcparts chart and would like to know what power supply wattage and type you think would be needed for the Z790 / Raptor Lake build since every generation behaves differently when it comes to power draw and headroom? Given PCparts' calculation, I'd assume an 850 watt Psu isn't enough or too close to potential peaks, and here is where my knowledge of how 13th gen peaks ends but I assume 850 isn't enough? Also I guess selecting the right power supply for this system would possibly also work well if I ended up upgrading it to a 14900k in the future? Btw the GPU and storage already come from my existing system, rest is new.

What do you think is the most mid-ground choice for memory on my Z790? In terms of reliability, future-proof-factor for 14th Gen but also performance? It seems that 6400 is very stressful for the controller? I want my new computer to last for some years and not swap it out let's say in 3 and more like 5 or more? The most I'd probably do is maybe upgrade the CPU but that's it. I'd say for example during DDR4, for me, the sweetspot was actually PC3200 at CL14 running B-Die in 4 channels flawlessly. That's been running for 5 years for me without a single flaw, stably and fast as hell.

You know what really bewilders me, is that on my last system, a really well binned 9900KS (accidental luck during purchasing 2 of them) performed better on the 12A than on the 15S. Basically I had the 15s ordered first and wasn't so happy with the temps and got the 12A and if performed actually better by a good margin. As I couldn't believe it, I put the NH-15s back on and got the same results which leads me to this video: However, I don't know whether the 15s is a lot worse than the 15?

It's hard to get a hold of the Assassin 3 here and the IV seems to perform a lot worse than the the 3, also being here the same price as the NH-15. I wish I'd find something as big as the 12A but I guess anything beyond the 13700K needs a beefy cooler to deal with the heat dissipation, but I guess there isn't? According to Hardware Canucks, the Phantom Spirit, which seems to be a 120 / smaller cooler, seems to perform amazingly. However, I don't know how well they perform their tests and measurements because that would be amazing because it seems to be a lot smaller than the NH-15 and AK620?

Which of the above mentioned Coolers would you specifically recommend? Since the Z790 thread I'm quite confident in your knowledge of PC-builds. Is the NH-15 still worth it nowadays? They used to market the NH-12A to perform as well as the 15 but having used it for a few years now it's really not the case and they have also removed that marketing statement.

Yup I'm a Gamer, running a 3070 Ti which in 2021 I luckily got from trading in my Alienware monitor that I was about to return, which was out of stock and as in demand as GPUs at the time. Good old times when I sold my 2080 Ti before the 30 Series launch and was without a GPU for more than a year But I also use the PC for Avid's Pro Tools Ultimate, basically a DAW, and therefore will not fiddle with the voltages due to stability and rather try to deal with the heat put out. Back in the day I used to do that purely for Gaming but when running a DAW professionally with random core-spikes, even with a highly tweaked setup, things can still crash randomly, even when it's rare, which is why I nowadays keep things on Auto.

Sup, I'm about to put a Z790 build together and am an active user of the Noctua NH-U12A, which will not suffice running a 13700K. I know that the NH-15 is still the reference king when it comes to dissipating heat but are there any smaller, almost equally competitive products? Which is what I liked about the 12A. Thermalright's Peerless Assassin seems to perform amazingly according to GN but when I see the built quality and price, I would get scared that it could have a change to snap off my nice new CPU and motherboard. Also something worth noting, is that I would like to have something that has a very reliable tightening mechanism that I can screw all the way down until it stops me, reliably. Hardware-Canucks has quite an extensively tested list of recent Air Coolers which many options, I just don't know whether I can trust their test methodology.

Hey, Friend of mine finally after more than year started using the following built I put together for him: 5950X running on an Asus X570 Proart Creator WiFi motherboard. Now, in stock, just having activated the XMP profile of his ram, the motherboard scores 24.000 points instead of the common 28.000. Which means the CPU isn't running with it's full capability? What settings would he need to change in the BIOS to run CPU at it's full performance? I'm actually quite experienced when it comes to building PC's and figuring out BIOS settings but since this is happening from afar on the phone without direct access to the BIOS and me googling it, there are far too many settings on this motherboard, I'd probably 3 x the amount than on an Intel, which seems to always re-describe some form of overclocking capability. On Intel it's pretty simple, you leave everything on Auto and it will boost automatically to the highest Ratio allowed by the manufacturer but given his score, that doesn't seem to happen. I mean basically Turbo-Boost which is probably PBO in his case? The PBO settings though are far and wide and go quite into many possible options which I have no experience with. Anybody can assist me in this endeavor?