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I know this might be a bit - REALLY old by now, sorry for my (thread necromancy) habits but at least they are not thread contention issues! (lol) Seriously though, you have almost certainly hit the nail on the head here. EVER SINCE Ryzen was released and I started looking at the Firestrike results of them (as I thought I WOULD own Ryzen for a bit due to hype) - but not only was the game perf lackluster, the Firestrike Combined points to a SIGNIFICANT design flaw when it comes to gaming performance. I have always GUESSED similarly to you, I figured that the CCX Latency was nowhere NEAR the entire cause, I always said "Well, wait, doesn't Infinity Fabric then require heavy RAM transactions - since the bus is required for core to core communication outside of a CCX? And even if RAM was not being written to, isn't the bus was otherwise being occupied heavily for said communications?" And it would seem you were right, as were my thoughts on the matter (and sometimes comments on YouTube vids, often pointing out that DEAD TERRIBLE Combined score...) Because now that Threadripper exists, we can see that is is a BAD GAMING CHIP! Because it relies on 4 CCXs it will always perform badly at gaming - worse than any R5 or R7 in fact! I have actually proven (to myself) and mentioned the fact that with my OLD i7-2600k at 4.5 GHZ and my G1 980 Ti at 1503 core 8 GHZ VRAM - I scored a BETTER combined in Firestrike than TechShowdown managed with an R7 at or near 4 GHZ - and a Top-of-the-Line GTX 1080 Ti! Which was only like 35 FPS for my 2600k - something like 33 for the Ryzen Chip I watched! And now the "Next Gen" of Ryzen is about to release... Well I have seen some benchmarks, and AMD has done VERY little to mitigate any of these problems. And I got AMD Fanboys calling me a shill and a moron for LOVING my Delidded 5 GHZ Core/Cache 0 offset i7-8700k - because Ryzen+ is really going to change things! You know the drill - wait for Navi!...... ((TM)) *Sidenote: I am not ANY sort of Fanboy. I love products that serve me well at a price I can afford and I find reasonable. Whoever offers me the best for what I want to do will get my money and recommendation if it impresses me - as both my current CPU and GPU have. I do NOT care who makes the silicon at all, I care who makes the better silicon for my needs.

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That makes sense, thanks! I know I am not missing out much either way, i just expected the 1070 would beat my 980 Ti due to that much hyped new feature. Well if it is implemented a lot I suppose it will be worthwhile, but either way I have PLENTY of power on tap in case I happens to become ghetto rich all of a sudden and can afford the Vive! Although my brother wants it badly, and he should make bank soon if he gets a good nursing job, so maybe sooner than I think! Though I still need a better monitor FFS! I don't mind being at 1920x1080 with the insane amounts of AA I can run, but I NEED at least a 144 Hz panel, preferably a G-sync one - instead of the bog standard off-the-shelf Acer I currently have.... At least Nvidia let me "over clock" the display to 78 Hz before it started getting any de-sync issues, but still a first world pain I must endure for the time being.. Between the $355 for my G1 Gaming GTX 980 Ti, and then the $150 (after rebate) EVGA GQ 1000w Gold PSU I needed after I got the card - cause my old Corsair TX850w was taking a dump (it was slowly dying before I got my 980 Ti) hardcore with the power needs of a well over clocked CPU and GPU combined. Thing was actually hanging on the BIOS screen, even got stuck loading Windows a LOT - and my HDD took forever to "load" - ALL because of a dying PSU! Seriously, the new PSU cut my startup time by HALF! To anyone reading: let that be a lesson, and a PSA! Also, if you EVER want a new PSU, read JonnyGuru's review before you buy! I found out my old Corsair TX850w had over 120mv ripple at full load - where my new EVGA GQ 1000w has LESS THAN 20mw ripple under full load! That is what is letting me tweak my CPU overclock more, I think I can hit 4.7 stable, now my Vcore stays totally stable, where with the old PSU it fluctuated between 1.312 and 1.358 - now it is 1.320 to 1.328!

Are those GTX 660s SLI'ed?? Cause other than photoshop I don't think it possible for a GTX 660 to score THAT good when a 960 is not even HALF of that, and most 970s are well below that as well! Methinks you either left some info out or it is a deception!

Badass rig man! Note: THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK OR CRITICISM OF ANY SORT! Okay so, we ALL know Pascal GPUs have Simultaneous Multi Projection, and we ALSO know that the i7-6700K even at stock clocks SHOULD be faster than my i7-2600k at 4.5 GHz (that said I DO have turbo off, and I manually keyed in the frequency so that is what it ALWAYS runs, and since it never even gets close to thermal throttling it is always at 4.5 GHZ) And we all ALSO know that a Z170 chipset should be far superior to a Z77 - yet I scored significantly more frames... I mean isn't Simultaneous Multi Projection supposed to give Pascal GPUs like 50% to 70% more performance when rendering the same image twice??? I mean that is how it SOUNDED when the tech press was talking about this new Pascal feature... Also, I was VERY pleasantly surprised at how well I scored with my 2011 CPU and GTX 980 Ti, albeit both are HEAVILY over clocked, I did NOT expect to basically tie the GTX 1080 - I thought SMP was going to make the GTX 1070 FAR better than even my 980 Ti at VR... Not that I ever thought the 980 ti would be bad at all at VR, I just expected SMP to have a MUCH bigger impact! Oh BTW I bought this Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 980 Ti off eBay literally 3 weeks ago for just $355 USD all said and done! Then, of course, I tweaked it til I got the MAX stable overclock on it! I was even ready to tear her apart and clean everything to brand new, but the seller did that for me! I even cracked the heatsink and saw IC Diamond! So I Emailed him and he told me he had completely cleaned the G1 Gaming GTX 980 Ti when he put it up for sale! So RIGHT NOW is the TIME TO UPGRADE GPU IF YOU NEED IT! Buy USED! Silicon DOES NOT degrade within the useful lifespan of the chips - I mean give it 15 or 20 years of use, sure - but 1 to 3 years means NOTHING! I found mine was not more than 8 months old!

(Initially just made up) Name: Wubba-Lubba-Dub-dub! CPU - i7-2600k at 4.5 GHz currently, set at 1.335 Vcore Turbo: OFF Manually keyed in frequency so she runs 4.5 at ALL times (and never gets above 85 C in Prime95 either!) (I can run her a 4.7, I just need to do some more tweaking) On an ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 motherboard. GPU - Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 980 Ti, running 1503 MHz core, and 8.2 GHz effective VRAM for 392 GB/sec (Thank you SK Hynix!) Only running +25mv on Vcore, 128% power target, and 90 degrees temp target. That said, I run a pretty aggressive fan profile, she never gets hotter than 67 degrees EVER! Other than Furmark which does make her see 71 C and the fans hit 84% - even then they are damned near SILENT! I love this Video card! RAM - 16 GB Kingston Hyper X 1866 MHz DDR3 in dual channel (2x 8 GB) Storage - Samsung 850 Evo 500 GB for C drive, 2x Crucial MX200 in RAID 0 for Steam (I got those SSDs free from my dad, his company had a TON of them!), a 128 GB Sansing 840 OEM SSD I got out of a client's laptop - he told me he didn't even want it so I said what the hell! Then I have one Seagate Constellation ES.3 4 TB enterprise grade HDD that holds my now 1.2 TB media collection!! Oh and I am STILL running Windows 7 Pro x64! I have a Windows 10 Pro key ready, but I don't want to go there yet! I can do literally EVERYTHING possible with Windows 7, and it uses less resources too! As for Score, that is on the screenshot - 11 (Very High) with 14,792 frames tested - 0% below 90 FPS, 0% CPU bound Frames! I am READY YO!