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  1. If you are running your A8 really at 4.5 GHz Stable, the improvement would only be minute. It would fit, since FM2+ is backwards compatible, but you would not get PCIe 3.0. However, Power Consumption would be a lot less. But - looking at your System, you'd need a dGPU, if you change to the 860K, since it's not an APU.
  2. My brother got my 750K back in the day, he's going to get the 860K and i'll probably going to downclock the 750K to ~ 2 GHz and will use it as a NAS - or so that is the plan for the moment. But my Brother apparently also want's Ryzen... So - i have actually no idea right now
  3. Well, the dust is only temporary Thanks, it's good to be here I've just compiled a Kernel, while editing some RAW-Photos from my DSLR...12 Threads are darn good
  4. It has been a while, since I made one of these. Around 4 years to be exact. Well, after Upgrading from the 750K to an 860K, a dead motherboard, to the RX 480, finally Ryzen was there. As i refused to buy Intel, I had to make due, what AMD had to offer. AM3+ was a dead plattform, pretty much every new feature had to be added with extra chips by the motherboard and i didn't want to deal with any of that. So i had to "limp along" for quite some time now in terms of power. Still - FM2+ was energy efficient, the 860K @ 4,4 GHz did have decent enough power (around an i5-4460) , so that most of the time the GPU Limit at 1440p was the "problem". I've been a Linux user for quite some time now (~ 6 years) and with Metro: Last Light Redux was the first game i only played on Linux. But OpenGL is a huge power hog and while it was still playable at ~ 30-40 FPS, the "new" Hitman came along and wanted even more. My main Windows was 8.1 (and still is with Ryzen), since i quite like it. IMHO it offers the best blend out of Windows 10's power and Windows 7's Design philosophy and it can even look exactly like Windows 7. I only had Windows 10 on a spare 60 GB SSD to at least be "in the loop" - working in IT-Support this is quite important. But, i finally had a reason to try DirectX12, and i was actually amazed how good it was. But then, i wanted to try something else, so i got Doom and tried Vulkan. Under Linux. And holy crap, solid 60 FPS. Unfortunately I don't really like Doom. The only reason to have kept Windows 8.1 was Elite Dangerous, because you can't get the Luancher to work (DirectX/Graphics are fine...game itself launches, but complains). So all in all, there was no urgent need to upgrade. But - i digress. This was in January, fast forward to last week, I finally got the package. So let's get the old stuff out... Ah, damn, i knew it...that explains the rising temperatures over the last few months. Was suspecting something like that, but too lazy to check Looks nearly the same...(sorry for the strange position i was taking the photo in...was pretty excited and slammed that thing in there...) Oh, so is that why Ryzen doesn't overclock that well...? Wasn't sure about that logo at first, but i'm starting to like it. Thermalrights mounting kit took almost 4 weeks to arrive... But i have to say, i'm not really happy with the build quality for around 110 bucks. That old ASUS A88X-Pro did cost ~ 20 less and was so much better build, it's a shame ASUS didn't have a "good enough" B350 Board in that price range... (Yes, that S-ATA port is croocked and yes, it still works, but it looks not very good inside the case...but cable management is another topic in itself...) Also, the CHA_FAN Headers are placed pretty idiotic. (ASUS) (ASROCK) After some tinkering, 3 Bios Updates and some more tinkering, the sad thing is: I can't get my Ram working with anything above 2400 MHz. Even upping voltages on the memory controler doesn't work. (Let alone the fact, that the settings in the UEFI are extremely basic for the voltages, while others have settings i can't even begin to grasp - taking screenshots of the BIOS also does not work, so i'm sorry for the crappy quality) At least overclocking worked - and it actually works pretty good with C-States, so i don't loose any powersaving features. 4.175 GHz...! Not bad at all... However, it still is only Air-Cooling and AMD recommends 1,45VCore max. for 24/7 and ~89°C tcl is too much for my taste. So i dialed it back a bit to 3,95 GHz. 71°C tcl max. and 61°C on the CPUTIN is absolutely fine with me, especially considering, that this all is inside a silent case, with not that good airflow and it still is pretty quite. (Around 43 dB while all fans running at max., around 25-27 dB in Idle) Also, Power Consumption is pretty fantastic: Non-AVX, Full-Load, OCed to 3,95 GHz (AVX is ~ 200 Watts): Stock Non-AVX, Full-Load: Idle (bare in mind, i've got 2 HDDs and 3 SSDs, as well as some USB Devices connected): Gaming(on Linux - on Windows it's about 25 Watts more, since the RX480 is running@1400 MHz): And while were at it, some Benchmarks: 860K R5 1600@3,95 GHz Metro 2033 Redux on Linux (Test1 is the 860K, 1440p, everything maxed): Unfortunately i only have RAW-Data for Hitman on Linux (1440p, Ultra, no AA): 860K: Min.: 7 FPS, Max.: 46 FPS, AVG.: 27 FPS R5 1600: Min.: 5 FPS, Max.: 173, AVG.: 57 FPS That Minimum is one loading stutter on the very first few frames on the Benchmark - after that it runs absolutely smooth. I guess this has to do with loading it from the HDD, not the SSD. The funny thing though is: DX11 on a "fresh" (but very customized) Windows 10 install gives me less FPS, both in Max. and AVG. DX12 is around 10 FPS faster in AVG and get's up to 200 FPS on some parts. So...Linux bad for Gaming...? I don't think so. Oh: And the GPU is at 1400 MHz on Windows... So, all in all i'm very happy with the Performance. I do hope i'll get the Ram up to at least 2933 MHz with a newer Bios (the last one is a Beta Bios from the 10th. of April) and i have to do something about those Ketchup Cables and Cable Management all around. Unfortunately, that isn't easy with the Board-Layout and how the Cables are routed in the Case. I may need to get a different PSU Looks pretty sad, doesn't it? PS: Sorry for the crappy Picture Quality. I've been meaning to use my DSLR, but I was so excited, I totally forgot to charge the battery...and i couldn't wait any longer Edit: Parts-List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Thermalright HR-02 Rev.A(BW) 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (That's the wrong Link - apparently the 3000 MHz Kit isn't available in the U.S.) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: OCZ Vertex 3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: INTENSO ELITE1207041170 60 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB ARMOR 8G OC Video Card Case: Cooler Master Silencio 650 ATX Mid Tower Case Power Supply: FSP Group 400W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply Optical Drive: Samsung SH-B123L/RSBP Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer Monitor: Acer K272HUL Ebmidpx 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor
  5. Bottom line still is: It simply doesn't matter in "day-to-day" builds between 500 - 800 bucks, because you will pretty much always be GPU Bound in those. Even on Ryzen it won't matter, because you will be GPU Bound. And even then, at least in my book 2-5 FPS more aren't worth around 60 bucks more. Also, a lot of "midrange" Games are still only using 2 Cores at max, so on those the CCX-Speed isn't really effecting anything. Coming from an 860K oced to 4,4 GHz, there is nothing my R5 1600 can't handle. Even in OpenGL Games - which where severly bottlenecked by the 860K - under Linux the Jump from 15-25 FPS to 60-80 FPS (Hitman) is the jump from CPU to GPU Bottleneck. Dual-Channel is more important - IMHO. So rather then getting one 8 GB-2133/2400, get two 4 GB. The difference will be greater, than going to 3200 and beyond on just one 8GB stick.
  6. It simply isn't worth it. And tbh? If you are looking to get the absolute maximum, this is absolutely the wrong price range. Also, this system pretty much always will be GPU bound. If it is going to be available: Overclock the 2133 to 2666. Also, the Gap between Ryzen and the i7 isn't as huge if you are not going to overclock all out. Reasonable 4,5 GHz on the i7 and 3,8-3,9 GHz on the R7 will pretty much shrink that Gap down to 5-10 FPS across the Board - it simply isn't worth it. The difference between $50 and $110 is HUGE.
  7. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($217.89 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: ASRock AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: Patriot 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($50.00 @ Amazon) Storage: ADATA SU800 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($48.98 @ NCIX US) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.44 @ OutletPC) Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 570 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card ($174.98 @ Newegg) Case: Rosewill SRM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($19.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.90 @ Newegg) Total: $693.17 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-21 11:03 EDT-0400 I'd choose the 570, unless you are going to really need 8 GB of VRam. I've also got the Seagate HDD as 4 TB Version - it's pretty fast for loading games and 120 GB is plenty. Also changed the ram to Dual-Channel, Ryzen will make use of it. Also: Overclocking to 3,7 GHz is possible on the 1600 without any effort on the stock cooler - which is quite a bit better than the 1500X's. My 1600 is actually running at 4,175 GHz on a Thermalright Macho HR-02 (i have to use 1,488VCore though, so no 24/7 OC for me) with a max. Temp of 71°C - apparently the Stock will be able to run it at 3,8-3,9 GHz (although the noise will probably be considerable)
  8. R5 1600, 4,175 on Air: http://valid.x86.fr/24fe2z Unfortunately i can't get my memory to more than 2400 Mhz, although it's G.Skill 3200 Single-Ranked. 24/7 OC is 3.95 GHz though...extremely quiet and very cool system with 3.95 GHz and more than enough power. RX 480 is running at 1400 MHz and it's still GPU Bottlenecked pretty much everywhere (even Fallout 4). But i have to say...best bump was 25-30 FPS to 80-90 FPS in Metro: Last Light on Linux. Never thought, OpenGL is such a resource hog...
  9. Sorry, but that's just idiotic. I'm not going to argue with you any more. Your generalizations are pointless and it doesn't matter if i pick the source or yours, because the bottom line is the same: Instead of logical reasoning you both (and others) jump to conclusions, that can not be aligned with the facts. (Completely ignoring the fact, that double quoting is bad practice...) - Nvidia crippling it's own performance? Well, please explain to me, why NV-Cards are that bad at DX12 then. - ROTR doesn't perform "bad". It's inconsistent on DX11 with NV-Cards, but - oh wonder - at DX12 it's consistent enough to explain stray results with measurement error, since the difference is only 1-2%. There are others who tested this and had pretty much the same results in performance difference - AdoredTV isn't the only one who measures this. - It isn't only ROTR. But ROTR at DX12 uses the Draw Call Logic more efficiently (depending on the location, since ROTR seems a bit cobbled together) Star Wars: Battlefront is pretty much the same, as well as Battlefield 1, where a R9 Fury is faster than a 1070 on DX12. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is another example. A R9 Fury is faster than a 1080. Please explain THAT. Nvidias DX12 performance is absolute crap. As for the biased thing...i stand by what i said and it doesn't contradict itself. Being a Fan is not the very definition of bias. What it does show however is how narrow minded some people are. I am a total AMD Fan by default. Intel has had the better CPUs for a long time now, and the i7-7700K is still the best CPU you can get for gaming, but it isn't the most sensible thing to do. DX12 and Vulkan are the Future, so you will get better Performance and i also agree with Adored TV, that the i5-2500k lost it's lead over the FX-8350 in certain games, just because of proper optimization. And he wasn't the only one to show that: GN was also showing that. But i said i won't argue with you any more, so that's that.
  10. You do realize, if he would be biased, the Intel would not have won and the Nvidia also would not have won overall. I really hate people jumping to conclusions, just because he admitted he is a fan, where he really put A LOT of effort in to it. People also not able to draw their own conclusions is somehow a disease that has spread all over the globe... ME: Andromeda is one of the prime example for that. We know the Frostbite engine is capable of SO MUCH MORE.
  11. As far as i can remember, i think it was actually both...
  12. I get the impression, that there is no absolute seriousness without any kind of comedy at LMG. They'd probably would have all gone insane by now, if there wasn't So for me, this actually feels pretty honest and "natural". Well, i have no idea what working laws there are in Canada, but if they are similar to what we have in Germany then that would be a topic, that could get you into extremely serious trouble saying the "wrong" thing. I have a hunch, that Luke would have said "that may or may not be payed" or something along the lines (and AFAIR Linus had to basically kick luke out for a few days to get his overtime down...i remember a WAN Show where that came up...). If it's half as "grey" as it is in Germany, that's a topic best to be avoided if you have an overtime account that's filled to the brim, because it could get the company into serious trouble.
  13. While watching I thought that was fitting for how Linus may loose it. What video was the screeching Linus on the couch from? "Turn it off!"?
  14. DX12 IS crap - but not really from a performance standpoint. You will be completely locked in to Windows 10. If you want to use DX12, you must use Windows 10. Vulkan may have only 50% - so be it, i'll take 50% and cross platform compatibility any day for those (rationally thinking pretty irrelevant) 20%. For me personally, that's also an instant game over for DX12. Vulkan is also OpenSource. Nvidias Linux drivers are IMHO absolute garbage (although i grudgingly admit, they have a lot better OpenGL performance), Nvidia doesn't really care about OpenSource and will lock you in to their eco system no matter what - GameWorks, G-Sync and so on. About AdordedTV: Yes, he's a bit biased, he's admitted to being an AMD Fan, but he does darn good work and still the Intel CPUs won. He could have manipulated those last few percent in favour of AMD, but he didn't. Also, it has been proven by others, that his numbers are "the real deal", since they are pretty much the same.
  15. The thing with that is: You don't have to do anything. Manjaro, Antergos, even Charka (which i don't like very much) follow the KISS Principle. "Keep it simple, stupid". Which works extremely well, because you can just install those and just use them. I just yesterday tried Ubuntu, because i thought it will be easier to get VDR running with DVB-T2 which has been put in to place at the 29th here in Germany - and since Easy-VDR is based off of Ubuntu... Not a chance. Yes, VDR Installing isn't a problem, but the packages are so old, that DVB-T2 is out of the question. Compiling them is horrible with Ubuntu, because you need to install every package standalone. With Arch, you have "package groups". Base-Devel will install (and configure!) everything you need to start building packages. If you choose to install Yaourt on Manjaro and Antergos during the installation, you don't need to do anything, because you just need to type in the AUR-Name. It fetches the most recent binary for you and builds it. Of course that's only as good as the PKGBUILD Maintainer...but it's A LOT easier as it is with Ubuntu. So i just used a fresh LXDE Antergos install. Now i can watch TV in glorious Full-HD over the Air ^^ Oh and if you want a stable experience that lets you install software without using the Terminal? Antergos has Pamac btw - i find it easier and prettier than Octopi (Octopi looks very similar to Synaptic). I'm not sure if Octopi can do that, but with Pamac you can just install anything from the AUR via a GUI. For example: Drivers for the Roccat Mouse and Logitech G410. A simple "roccat xtd" is sufficient for the mouse and a simple "logitech", a bit of scrolling and reading the few bits of text below the package name is enough.
  16. Yes, if you want to know how to install a package or something else. And no, some things are not equally difficult. Changing the running Kernel is as easy as installing it on Antergos (or Manjaro), because they have hooks build in, that just reconfigure your mkinitcpio without you having to do anything. Pacman does a lot of other things for you, that aptitude doesn't. The Arch Wiki is the most comprehensive there is, Period. If you can't find it in there, it probably won't work or will require some serious digging, deep inside the code. And getting the latest AMDGPU-Pro driver on Arch/Antergos/Manjaro is as easy as it can be. "yaourt -S amdgpu-pro-dkms". That's it. For Ubuntu you either need to add a ppa first, and most of the times they don't really work that well or do it like AMD intended it: Compile it yourself. Of course, if you start with an Arch from scratch, it's a lot more work than Ubuntu and you can do a lot of things wrong - but i'm talking about Antergos, Manjaro or even Chakra (however, they changed to much IMHO). It's a good way to start out with an Arch based distro and get into installing Arch "the right way" later if you know what you want. Ubuntu and it's derivates is only easy as long as you don't try something else than a bit of surfing the net, watching some videos or there like. It's okay for a start, but everything else is just overcomplicated - IMHO.
  17. Not well enough. Use Wine or CrossOver Linux - works wonders. It even has DX10 support, DX11 is in the making. Edit: Sorry, we posted at the same time. Passing through the Fury X works with QEMU afaik pretty good.
  18. If you just want to game, and do nothing more, just buy a i5-7600K, FFs.... This feels utterly pointless, with Intel fans desperate to make it seem like their chips are any good at everything else besides gaming. Doesn't matter how insensible it is to get a really expensive Mainboard and then put an overclock to it, that will cook the chip. And then in 3 years, you'll have to upgrade anyway.
  19. The G4560 isn't much better. Max. FPS are good, but Frametimes are really really bad.
  20. Yeah, but considering the date the video was filmed, i remember others saying that it wasn't there in early versions of the bios...could be wrong though
  21. Probably the worst examples you could have picked. Rust will bottleneck an i5-4670K big time, as will H1Z1. Both are absolutely terribly optimized.
  22. At 720p in CS:Go? Yeah, you should definitely get an i7-7700K and overclock it to 5 GHz.
  23. OC3D explained, that it's actually not Ryzens fault, it's the fault of the Bios, not reading the profiles correctly and leaving some parts out. If you go in and set EVERYTHING up manually (with memory, that is a HUGE PITA, as those are probably around 15 or more different points you have to find out and put in correctly), it runs pretty much with every Ram you can get. We have been pretty spoiled the last few years...i remember back in the day, when DDR first came about we had to do the same thing to get maximum performance. CAS, tRCD, tRP, tRAS are just four things, out of many, many others. Clock divider, Comand Rate and so on are also extremely important with Ryzen...
  24. It is. It's the same as hoping a recipe would taste good and everyone says it tastes crappy. And that is exactly what a Forum is for.
  25. Get a 760K. Should be cheaper. But bear in mind: You won't be able to get PCIe 3.0. Only FM2+ has PCIe 3.0, so depending on what you are going to do down the line, better get an RX 470. It's cheaper and you won't really feel the difference anyway. Also, it isn't such a huge bottleneck as everyone thinks it is. Yes, you'll probably get about 5-10 FPS less in certain games with Full-HD and everything cranked up to the max (for me it really doesn't make any difference, since i'm playing at 2k and i'm ALWAYS in the GPU Bottleneck), but you know what: Who cares. You'll be able to play AAA Games down the line, since they are getting more and more efficient and use the CPU Better. (Most people are playing on an i5-2500K, and at least my 860K at 4,4 GHz and NB overclocked to 2 GHz has pretty much exactly the same performance. But i have native USB 3.0 and some other nice stuff. And the 760K overclocks better, than the 860K. I've had a 760K before)
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