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    Ryzen 5 2400G Bottlenecking my 980Ti, CPU Upgrade recommendations

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    14 hours ago, mapegl said:

    with the upgrade plan, that's a good decision. prices are good right now and may rise with availability of 5th gen getting worse in the future. 

     

    I'll be getting is as soon as I get back to my country for holidays, and the prices might as well be a bit more down than usual.

    13 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

    If you are not planning on getting a new GPU, i'd say don't go for the 5800X3D. It's an astonishing CPU and i can't recommend it enough (usually) but for 980Ti it's a just a massive overkill. This is basically the same GPU as GTX 1070 and althoguh the X3D will give you more frames than any other CPU with that GPU, i'm not sure it's a wise decision. Just grab a 5600(X) and you will still get incredible improvement over the 2400g while spending a lot less. Currently amazon(dot)de has the 5600x for €166 https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08166SLDF?tag=vandover-21&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1

    I will be getting a new GPU as soon as I see that the 980Ti is spent and can't deal with the workload I usually put on it, but it's a plan for a bigger upgrade, that's why I settled for the X3D

    Ryzen 5 2400G Bottlenecking my 980Ti, CPU Upgrade recommendations

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    48 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

    It's on the support list, you just need to update to BIOS 6042 or later. That will take your current platform as far as it will go.

     

    If that's what you want to do, go for it!

    44 minutes ago, mapegl said:

    It is an amazing cpu, sure. However, for your usage, a 5600 would be enough. 

    You really won't see any benefits by going to the 5800x3d unless you upgrade your GPU as well. Even a 3600 should be enough mine only bottlenecks my 3060 in BF2042 and nothing else. 

    I'll probably go for the 5800X3D since when I get out of University I'll most likely upgrade the motherboard and GPU.

     

    Thank you so much everyone for taking valuable time to help me out! I hope you all have a wonderful rest of your day!

    Ryzen 5 2400G Bottlenecking my 980Ti, CPU Upgrade recommendations

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    4 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

    If it got a BIOS update to support 5th gen, then you shouldn't need to, but if your board didn't, then you would. Safer to get a new board since AM4 boards are dirt cheap.

    I'm pretty sure it did, since I like to keep everything, especially hardware related, on the latest version.

    4 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

    You should make "real" calculations of your bottleneck by running games at different res and graphics settings and comparing with benchmarks on a 980Ti with a faster CPU

     

     

    Highest resolution I can go to is 1080p, unless running a game on triple monitors counts as a benchmark.

    2 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

    Great! Looks like you've got your pick of the Zen 3 lineup if you update your BIOS to version 6042 or later. You're only limited by your budget.

     

    https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-b350-plus/helpdesk_cpu/

     

    You can get a Ryzen 5 5600 right now for under $150 for B&H in the US. In theory that should give you about twice the multithreaded performance of your old CPU.

     

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1695217-REG/amd_100_100000927box_ryzen_5_5600_3_5.html

     

    The 5800X3D is the summit chip for the AM4 platform. It looks like all the usual suspects have it in stock for about $380.

    If my motherboard supports the 5800X3D I could get that since it retails for about 350 Euros here brand new, I've got a 360mm Radiator for cooling so I shouldn't need to change that either, if I also don't need to change the motherboard then I'll be buying is as soon as possible since I want to spend a good amount of hard earned money so I don't have to upgrade in example 2 years from now.

    Ryzen 5 2400G Bottlenecking my 980Ti, CPU Upgrade recommendations

    in CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory

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    1 minute ago, thekingofmonks said:

    Do not use those "bottleneck calculators"

     

    All that they do is take frame rate analytics to calculate the proportion between two setups and call the one with slower results a "bottlenecked" system, as you can see on the page you've linked.

    It's absolutely flawed.

     

    The reason why a better CPU would potentially get you higher frame rates is because of its superior architecture, higher core count, clock speed, cache capacity, etc. Results vary across different games and softwares and also depend on the way they are configured. The only factor that would constitute a real "bottleneck" would be the CPU having a slower PCIe link speed than the GPU supports.

    PCI-E Link speed in GPU-Z Shows PCI-E x16 3.0 @ x8 3.0 And I assume that's normal since my CPU doesn't have enough lanes with the M.2 SSD and such, I've also been told a while back I'll need to upgrade sooner than I thought since the CPU is weak due to it being just a 4 Core and having an iGPU.

    Ryzen 5 2400G Bottlenecking my 980Ti, CPU Upgrade recommendations

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    3 minutes ago, Middcore said:

    Online "bottleneck calculators" are spurious, as a rule. 

    That's why I decided to ask it here.

    3 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

    If you are willing to pay a decent amount more, and depending on your motherboard, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D seems like a good option. You won't need to upgrade that for another 7+ years, and all you would have to upgrade in the future is the GPU, if you wanted. Assuming a smaller budget, a Ryzen 5 5500/5600 would be good choices, and assuming an EVEN SMALLER budget, the Ryzen 5 4600G would work as well.

     

    I had my eyes on the 5800X3D, even though it would require a new motherboard I think, budget is almost no issue since holidays are coming in less than a month.

    3 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

    What motherboard (or at least chipset) does this machine have? That will determine which processors you can upgrade to without a new board.

     

    Assuming it works in your PC, a Ryzen 5 5600 would be significantly faster for not a whole lot of money.

    ASUS B350 PRIME-PLUS is the motherboard the system has in it right now, I don't have a problem with changing out the motherboard as long as I don't need to upgrade any time soon lol

    Ryzen 5 2400G Bottlenecking my 980Ti, CPU Upgrade recommendations

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    Currently running an AMD Ryzen 5 2400G which I've seen is bottlenecking my 980Ti, I'm looking for a CPU Upgrade to bring bottlenecking to 0 or at least reduce it, I've looked up the bottlenecking percentage on a few sites, no idea if they're trustworthy or not This is the site I used.

    Shows almost 40% bottleneck, any recommendations from people running the same GPU as mine?

    NOTE: The GPU is overclocked, has a custom BIOS, higher TDP, better cooling, so that's bound to be a higher bottleneck than the one showed. 

    System is mainly used for Gaming and Producing music.

    Thanks a lot to anyone who decides to put a few minutes to help out!

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    On 6/15/2022 at 6:33 AM, xAcid9 said:

    You can try shrink a partition and install a fresh windows to test.

    Yes your CPU is the bottleneck for these type of games but it should not be that low. 

     

    From what I can see in UB result, your memory latency is pretty high. I don't know if that is standard or not but you can try tighten the timings a little bit.

    Reporting back with some news I couldn't even guess.

     

    I reset my Windows system and let Windows decide what driver to install, which was driver 456.71 and all games are perfectly stable up until now, R6S after extended testing and different graphics settings sits comfortably at 144FPS dropping to MAYBE 140 when a lot of stuff is going on without stutters.

     

    Updating to the latest driver brought by NVIDIA Experience, brought back the same issues of stutters and low framerates.

     

    Conclusion: I'll be sticking with this driver since NVIDIA killing off my GPU so they can push me to buy a new one for technologies I probably wont even use for the maybe 2-3 games I play and maybe 4-5 university programs I use. Fuck you NVIDIA

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    On 6/15/2022 at 6:33 AM, xAcid9 said:

    You can try shrink a partition and install a fresh windows to test.

    Yes your CPU is the bottleneck for these type of games but it should not be that low. 

     

    From what I can see in UB result, your memory latency is pretty high. I don't know if that is standard or not but you can try tighten the timings a little bit.

    I have no idea about how timings work, could you point me to some posts? I also had the thought that maybe the GPU VRMs aren't cooled properly

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    7 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

    I get between 110-150+ fps in LoL max setting, over 200+ at the start of a game. Performance wise my system is pretty similar to yours except your GPU and RAM is clock higher. 

    I haven't played a game yet, to test FPS in a teamfight but I can definitely say that the stutters are gone, I'll do some further benchmarks and I'll let you know, sounds like a CPU bottleneck to me, I'm looking forward to upgrading my CPU/Mobo/GPU later this year

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    21 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

    Looks normal imo other than you background CPU usage is quite high? Is that on idle? Try to close all programs and run your games again. 

    Also your BIOS is quite old. Try update to latest one. 

    I'll check the CPU usage when benchmarking with some stuff I've got, I updated the BIOS and games seem smoother, the FPS is still meh for a 980Ti at 1080p, but the stutters I can definitely say they're gone

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    18 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

    Looks normal imo other than you background CPU usage is quite high? Is that on idle? Try to close all programs and run your games again. 

    Also your BIOS is quite old. Try update to latest one. 

    I closed all programs before running UB, I also just saw now that you mentioned it that there's a new BIOS out, fixed some stuttering issues, I'll update now

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    5 hours ago, 191x7 said:

    Well, you can run IOBit Driver Booster to update the other drivers, DXWebSetup to update DirectX files, etc.

    Installed chipset drivers, ran Driver booster and updated any necessary things, League still seems to run slow, I haven't tested PUBG yet, but I noticed it stutters every now and then in R6Siege as well

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    12 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

    I am not knowledgeable about LoL, but I guess it's using only a single CPU core and the 2400G cores are weak.

     

    Are you using the latest AMD chipset drivers? And the latest bios that supports your CPU?

    Which motherboard is it?

    All of them?

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

    I am not knowledgeable about LoL, but I guess it's using only a single CPU core and the 2400G cores are weak.

     

    Are you using the latest AMD chipset drivers? And the latest bios that supports your CPU?

    Which motherboard is it?

    Asus B350 Prime Plus, I thought I had the chipset drivers, I'll check and report back

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    4 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

    That is a 4 cores 8 threads CPU with an architecture between Zen1 and Zen+, terrible for PUBG. Would be better if it had more cores, and it would be nice to have a newer architecture. PUBG was quite tasking on my Ryzen 5 3600 with the 6 cores 12 threads. It's your CPU.

    Also, PUBG has a memory leak, so if you have 16GB or less you might have issues after playing for more than 2 hours.

    I've got 32 gigs of RAM at the moment, so from what I can tell from the info I've gathered is that it's my CPU and it needs an upgrade probably, but league of legends is a 2009 game running on low settings, why would it stutter?

    980Ti stutters and unstable gameplay

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    5 minutes ago, emosun said:

    check the other system temps and post the rest of the hardware so we don;t have to ask/wait for it.

     

    5 minutes ago, maartendc said:

    What CPU are you running?

     

    Sounds like it might be your CPU is causing the stuttering, not the GPU.

     

    No idea, running on a Ryzen 2400G, looking on upgrading soon since I'll be needing a new motherboard anyway for some plans I have.

     

    The CPU is cooled by a 360mm Rad, running on a cool 35-45 degrees celcius when gaming, sorry for not providing this earlier

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