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    Blind X reacted to RONOTHAN## in Can this morherboard handle a 13600k/14600k?   
    Alright, the couple of boards I found that were better in the price point were out of stock. The B760 DS3H is probably your best pick here. If you can score a B660M Gaming X for that price point that would be the best, but since it's out of stock that's probably not an option. 
     
    If the VRM does start to get too hot, get a 40mm fan and zip tie it to the VRM heat sink, that fixes most overheating issues.
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    Blind X reacted to RONOTHAN## in Can this morherboard handle a 13600k/14600k?   
    It's an indicator, but it's not the whole story. There are a number of other aspects to it, to the point where you can have a 4 phase be great and a 16 phase be terrible. The best VRM on LGA 1700, the Z690/Z790 Apex (Encore) (they all have the same VRM), is technically an 8 phase VCore. Some of the factors for this are the VRM components and the heat sink design, though there are others like what kind of inductors are used, the motherboard's PCB, and the VRM tuning itself. 
     
    Another thing to mention is that the phase count is less important than the power stage number, which is correlated to but not the same as phase count. The aforementioned Apex may be an 8 phase, but it has 24 power stages in its VCore VRM. A lot of the boards will advertise the power stage count as the phase count, even though that's technically wrong, so in practice this isn't something you need to worry that much about, but just figured I'd point it out. More power stages give more surface area for heat to dissipate from and have less current going through each power stage improving the efficiency, while more phases helps improve voltage regulation, though it does have diminishing returns past 8 phases in that regard (you only really need more than 8 phases if you're doing it for efficiency and not planning on doubling/tripling up phases). 
     
    Just want to point out that when people refer to phase count, they're almost always referring to the VCore phase count as that's the only part that actually matters, and that number is just the first in that list of phases, so that VRM would be referred to as a 12 phase. 
     
    What shop specifically are you shopping at if they have an online store I can look through. 
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    Blind X got a reaction from unclewebb in Dell Workstation CPU Not Turboing!   
    Great to hear this 😁
     
    Yeah I am using Quad-Channel running at 2400mhz which is why my scores are not that far. 
     
    Thank you @unclewebb for explaing with such detail. 
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    Blind X reacted to unclewebb in Dell Workstation CPU Not Turboing!   
    Here is a person with an E5-1650 v4 that scored 1212 in Cinebench R15. 
     
    https://hwbot.org/submission/3785043_12ax7_cinebench___r15_xeon_e5_1650_v4_1212_cb
     
    It looks like he is using a lean version of Windows 7 with only the bare minimum of benchmark related apps installed. He probably does not have a GPU driver installed yet. People using HWBot tend to be serious overclockers that know how to get the most out of their hardware. There are lots of tricks like this available. Running Cinebench at Windows Realtime priority is a popular trick. Disabling some C states might be good for a few more Cinebench points. He is using Quad channel memory. His CPU-Z results show the timings and speed that his memory is running at. How does your memory compare? Are you using Dual Channel memory? Your Cinebench results are not a long ways away from one of the world's fastest E5-1650 v4 on HWBot.
     
    Background tasks that randomly spike CPU usage are the main reason why your CPU is not scoring better. That and the memory you are using.
     
    Here is an example of my computer when it is idle with only Google Chrome open. Run a similar test on your computer with only ThrottleStop open. Your average C0% is much higher. Those wasted CPU cycles are the difference in performance.  
     
       DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  BAT_mW  TEMP    VID   POWER 2023-03-01  12:17:00  50.00    0.2  100.0       0   29   1.3508    2.0 2023-03-01  12:17:01  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3721    1.7 2023-03-01  12:17:02  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3420    1.9 2023-03-01  12:17:03  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:04  50.00    0.2  100.0       0   29   1.3418    2.2 2023-03-01  12:17:05  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3394    1.7 2023-03-01  12:17:06  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:07  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3525    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:08  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3420    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:09  49.99    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3480    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:10  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3381    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:11  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3422    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:12  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3516    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:13  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3470    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:14  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3623    1.4 2023-03-01  12:17:15  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3463    1.7 2023-03-01  12:17:16  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3573    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:17  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3470    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:18  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3500    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:19  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3411    1.7 2023-03-01  12:17:20  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3619    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:21  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3623    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:22  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3718    1.7 2023-03-01  12:17:23  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:24  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3501    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:25  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3389    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:26  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3466    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:27  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3521    1.8 2023-03-01  12:17:28  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3521    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:29  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3472    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:30  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3772    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:31  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3623    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:32  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3523    1.8 2023-03-01  12:17:33  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3414    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:34  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3422    1.7 2023-03-01  12:17:35  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3418    1.7 2023-03-01  12:17:36  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3523    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:37  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3473    1.7 2023-03-01  12:17:38  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3521    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:39  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3419    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:40  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3414    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:41  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3418    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:42  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3464    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:43  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3472    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:44  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3419    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:45  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3395    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:46  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.6 2023-03-01  12:17:47  50.00    0.3  100.0       0   29   1.3470    2.5 2023-03-01  12:17:48  50.00    0.2  100.0       0   29   1.3461    2.1 2023-03-01  12:17:49  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3722    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:50  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   31   1.3690    1.5 2023-03-01  12:17:51  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3676    1.7 2023-03-01  12:17:52  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   31   1.3766    2.0  
    An E5-1650 v4 at default settings will always be faster than an E5-1650 v3 at the same default settings when everything else, including memory, is equal. It is impossible to make a fair comparison when the background tasks are not the same.  
     
    An E5-1650 v4 is 4th Gen Broadwell technology. No point in making any comparisons to an 8th Gen 8700. 
     
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    Blind X reacted to igormp in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    OBS uses x264 underneath, which uses AVX to speed up things. AMD's encoder is not really good in terms of quality, but it's up to you to try it out and see if it's good enough for you.
     
    I don't think any of those games require AVX. The ones I'm aware of are some ubisoft titles, Journey and Star Citizen.
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    Blind X reacted to igormp in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    What software do you use to record your gameplays? If they're software-based, then it likely uses AVX and will be slower without it.
     
    Some games and anti cheat software also require AVX, they won't even launch without it.
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    Blind X reacted to svmlegacy in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    Windows, web browsers, and a variety of games use AVX if available.
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    Blind X reacted to igormp in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    That Xeon is a Westmere µArch, same as the i7-970 or 980, and should perform similar to those when it comes to single thread perf.
     
    Sandy bridge offers better performance, about ~15% more perf in single thread, while also having AVX (which some stuff do require nowadays).
    Yes, it'll work in flex mode, as in the 12gb of RAM in triple channel will have faster bandwidth and the lone 4gb will be slower. You can also have each pair running in dual-channel as most other platforms.
     
    Flex mode is a thing, and those CPUs also support regular dual channel.
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    Blind X reacted to svmlegacy in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    There's a pretty big difference between Westmere-EP and Sandy Bridge. Sandy has much better IPC and AVX instructions. Triple channel memory (you can run this with 4 sticks in a flex mode) will not make up for the difference. You also have the capability of running a 6-core chip on the T3500, if you really need the threads.
     
    AVX and IPC are the most important differences. It will be noticably slower in anything single core or AVX dependent.
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    Blind X reacted to kelvinhall05 in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    Unless you are doing stuff that you know will greatly benefit from the bandwidth, no, not worth it.
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    Blind X reacted to Downkey in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    The difference will be quiet small. Don’t think it was worth it.
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    Blind X reacted to porina in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    It depends on the use case, but I'd think the 2600 would be far better all round. The extra cache and ram channel probably has a smaller impact in most things than the newer architecture in the 2600, along with modern software using AVX that will help too. 
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    Blind X reacted to kelvinhall05 in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    The Xeon will probably win in multithread but the i7 will win in singlethread.
     
     
    As for RAM, is 4 divisible by 3? No. Either you run three sticks (12GB) or spend more money and get 24GB total.
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    Blind X reacted to Electronics Wizardy in Xeon vs i7 | Triple Channel with 4 DIMMs   
    THe 2600 is based off a newer arch, and does a reasonble more per clock these days, Id get the 2600 if you can. 
     
     
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    Blind X reacted to Wh0_Am_1 in SATA 3 Port on Motherboard   
    These are numbers associated with the ports not the standards themselves. 
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    Blind X reacted to Wh0_Am_1 in SATA 3 Port on Motherboard   
    Currently reading the spec sheet
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    Blind X reacted to Speedbird in SATA 3 Port on Motherboard   
    I found this manual: https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/thinkcentre_pdf/m82m92p_hmm.pdf
     
    According to this, the top ports (closest to the top of the case) are SATA 3, with one eSATA and one SATA 2.
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    Blind X got a reaction from Speedbird in SATA 3 Port on Motherboard   
    Ahh yess.. the light orange and the red ones are the SATA 3.. Thank you so much for the help..
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    Blind X got a reaction from DoctorNick in SATA 3 Port on Motherboard   
    Ahh yess.. the light orange and the red ones are the SATA 3.. Thank you so much for the help..
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    Blind X reacted to Wh0_Am_1 in SATA 3 Port on Motherboard   
    It looks like Red and Yellow are likely SATA 3, orange is likely SATA two, and Black is ESATA. What I can tell you from the spec sheet, you have one SATA 2 (that is not black) and two SATA 3 (which is also not black.) 
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    Blind X reacted to Speedbird in SATA 3 Port on Motherboard   
    Page 82 of that PDF has a diagram. From here, it looks like light orange and red. But I would double check with the diagram.
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    Blind X reacted to DoctorNick in SATA 3 Port on Motherboard   
    Orange
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    Blind X reacted to RageTester in Storage Space Issue, need Help! Downgrading my Firmware   
    Cure for current problem and not the cause: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.bukacek.filestosdcard&hl=en_US
    Files To SD Card app
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    Blind X reacted to Queen Chrysalis in £700 Computer build First build   
    Blind X easily has the best recommendation.  I have no idea why someone would recommend a 200 dollar motherboard for a build at this price point.  That's GPU money.
    Why would you recommend a 2700x and a x570 board that have no effect on gaming performance and then skimp down to an RX 580 when a 2600 with a b450m board would open this build up to a 5700 that would make a night and day improvement in game performance?  
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    Blind X got a reaction from Queen Chrysalis in £700 Computer build First build   
    PCPartPicker Part List
    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£112.26 @ More Computers) 
    Motherboard: MSI B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£84.99 @ Amazon UK) 
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£49.98 @ Aria PC) 
    Storage: TCSunBow X3 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£22.99 @ Amazon UK) 
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£34.38 @ Aria PC) 
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card  (£237.46 @ Scan.co.uk) 
    Case: Zalman S2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£31.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
    Power Supply: be quiet! System Power 9 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£42.53 @ More Computers) 
    Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link Archer T4E PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£27.44 @ Box Limited) 
    Monitor: AOC G2260VWQ6 21.5" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor  (£81.99 @ Ebuyer) 
    Keyboard: Cooler Master Devastator 3 Wired Gaming Keyboard With Optical Mouse  (£43.59 @ Amazon UK) 
    Total: £769.60
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-15 02:34 GMT+0000
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