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I don't understand this universal obsession with bottlenecking...
Ever single application uses cpu and gpu differently.
Every refresh rate and resolution uses your gpu to a different amount.
 
Get a gpu you can afford that pushes the number of frames per second you want at the resolution you want.
 

If I may make a suggestion, switch to Stripe instead of Paypal. Stripe was started by several engineers who left paypal because they don't have the greatest code practices. Paypal's api changes all the time without warning and then the customers get blamed for not using it right... (or that's how things were a ~year and a half ago when I was working with it).
Stripe seems to have much better practices, is easy to learn to work with, has good documentation, and lets you specify the api version you're using so you don't get blindsided by changes.

If I may make a suggestion, switch to Stripe instead of Paypal. Stripe was started by several engineers who left paypal because they don't have the greatest code practices. Paypal's api changes all the time without warning and then the customers get blamed for not using it right... (or that's how things were a ~year and a half ago when I was working with it).
Stripe seems to have much better practices, is easy to learn to work with, has good documentation, and lets you specify the api version you're using so you don't get blindsided by changes.

Video update until the most recent post! Milling some plastic in this one!
 

This one is a bit late due to copyright claim. The original artist releases tracks that is free to use if you credit him. Another guy who used his track, and "rapped" over it released some kind of CD or something with that track. And that "dude" has now claimed my video for monitization for a track that was free to use in youtube videos, released a CD. You can even hear the original artist sound "watermark" where he says his name etc in the track. So I have now refuted that claim and waiting for a reply...

So lower power consumption and more OC headroom? (albeit probably minor on both)
Sounds good.

Integrated graphics are not just something the cpu emulates or creates on the fly, it is a small, low power gpu built into the cpu. Ryzen does not have this.
You will need a second gpu if you want to use ryzen. CPUs that do have integrated graphics are intel chips and AMD APUs.

LTT's ideas of "leftover parts" would be to just use one of the dozen or so extra Titan Xp's he has laying around.
 
just watch scrapyard wars

So up until now, I've just used laptops, but I finally decided to build a pc.
I just recently graduated college and got a decent job, so I have some money to work with, but I also have student loans to pay off and a wedding coming up, so I needed to keep it reasonable.
 
I really enjoy virtualization and I've wanted a fully virtualized system for a while now for several reasons, on top of that I found out about the $75 E5-2670 cpus, and I had my starting point.
 
This build will be a dual headed gaming rig for myself and fiance, a nas, and a development pipeline server for my private projects.
 
I managed to get 2 E5-2670's for $68 each after shipping, and an Intel s2600gz motherboard for $99. Got the original water coolers from the motherboard and 2 riser cards for about another $100, and 2 750 Watt redundant psus for $15 each. Finally I found a steal on 4Gb ddr3 ecc ram at $3.50 a stick, and grabbed 8 of those for now (the board has 24 slots, so I can triple my ram to 96Gb without needing more ram per stick. All of this was used on Ebay.
 
Of course, the oddly shaped (and enormous) motherboard and it's 2 power supplies aren't going to fit in a normal case, so I went down to the local lowes and homedepot, and bought an 8'x4.5"x.5" board which I had cut into 4 2" long segments, a 2'x2' sheet of birch plywood, and a ton of screws, bolts, washers, and angle brackets. I also grabbed a 2'x2' sheet of acrylic later and ordered some glass standoffs on ebay for about $1.25 each. Out of this I made a box and mounted everything inside. I cut holes for the two radiators, but I don't have a lot of tools to work with, so I just made two round holes for each one, roughly corresponding to where the fans will be on the inside.
 
I replaced the screaming 40mm server fans in the psus with 40mm noctuas, got 2 120mm noctuas for intake fans, and 2 80mm noctuas for the radiators. I'll need 2 more later, but for now this is what I've got. I managed to squeeze in an evga 1070 sc (literally and financially) along with a usb 3.0 pcie card. I'll get a second gpu, likely a gigabyte mini 1070, for my fiance probably at the beginning of next year. I already had 2 terabyte harddrives (the second one hasn't been mounted yet, so it's not pictured) and a 512 gb ssd.
 
The screws holding the motherboard are countersunk on the back of the plywood and screw into t-nuts on the motherboard side, then there's a nut and washer as standoffs, and another washer and nut on top to hold in the board.
 
Also pictured is the template I drew for the fan holes in the acrylic. I was really scared of cracking it, but it actually went super smoothly. Four small holes for mounting, and six large holes around the fan blade area for air flow.
 
Due to where the system is in the house, there's not a good way to get ethernet to it, so I actually stuffed in a router that bridges to the main router across the house. That also allows me to plug in all four nics on the motherboard. I'm passing through 3 of them to different vm's, allowing them to easily have their own mac addresses and dedicated internet lines.
 
I haven't finished optimizing everything for my windows 10 gaming vm, but it does have the 1070 passed in to it and games just fine so far. I'll put up some benchmarks once everything is set up properly. 
 
 
Software setup right now:
   host ubuntu mate system with kvm setup
   centos vm for development work
   windows 10 pro with 1070 passed through
 
 
I think I've spent about $900 on this build so far. With the second gpu installed, it'll be about $1300 for effectively 2 gaming rigs and a server. Not too bad for my first build I think

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You mean 5b?
An upside down P is a b...

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Hey I've just finished my build using the same board but with one gtx 1080 ti, and dual e5-2690s. Total I think was just about 1450 with 2 water coolers 4 300gb 15k hard drives 64 gigs of ram and 1 480 gb ssd. To solve the psu noise problem, I modified an frusdr file included in a bios update I accidentally found when doing driver updates. The file I modified was called s2600gz.sdr, I can provide more details about that if someone here is interested. This was also my first build. Now I just need to do cosmetic changes like replacing the cover of the machine and adding a sound card. 
 
I would love to know what your post time and boot time is for the rig, I'm getting kind of long with 3 minutes from power button press to windows. I'm also unable to see the post screens when I have the monitor plugged in to the graphics card only instead of the motherboard and the graphics card. It also does not switch by itself once windows loads, and I have to unplug the motherboard video to get videocard video. 
 
If you could also let me know your psu temperature idle that would also be good, I'm getting roughly 40 Celsius most of the time and it has never hit 55 yet which I think is acceptable temperatures but I would like to have someone to compare to. 
 
Another thing is that this computer gives off heat like no tomorrow and makes my room really hot does yours also do this or does all the heat exit through the holes directed away from you?
 
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that wanted to maximize my bang for the buck and I really admire your work here. It's simply splendid, the custom case and noctua fans and custom rewiring is all very impressive, after doing my build I appreciate the small details in yours quite  bit. I was very lazy with cooling system power source in mine and all of my fans except the psu fans are plugged into a 10 dollar sata to 3 pin hub with a high and low voltage switch lol. 

Finally got around to mounting the power button... Still need to replace the acrylic and drill a hole for cables to leave though. One day.
 
Nice find on the bios edit, I went the expensive hands on approach and replaced the psu fans with noctua fans that just run at 100% all the time (still pretty mush silent).
 
Hm, that post is kind of long. Mine is maybe ~2 minutes from power button to windows login, and windows is in a VM, so linux has to finish booting first before windows even starts. I don't have anything plugged directly into the motherboard io except ethernet though, so that might help. Everything is connected to usb 3.0 pci-e cards, so the bios doesn't see or try to enumerate them. I've also got hyperthreading turned off for slightly better single thread performance. 
 
As for video output, mine won't send post over gpu either, It sees the onboard video chip as primary I guess. I just leave motherboard video unplugged though and the OS uses the gpu fine. I haven't used that though in ages. I'm running ubuntu server on the system with no video output and I connect to it over ssh. The windows VMs have control of the gpus.
 
Can't really tell you psu temp, linux doesn't seem to be able to read the sensors on them and I don't have anything to measure it manually. Normally though it doesn't even need to load share across the two power supplies unless both gpus and cpus are running 100% (so basically never). My guess at max system draw is around 600-650 watts (my 1070 is undervolted a bit), So I really doubt the power supplies are struggling with heat at all.
 
 
You can definitely feel the heat coming out of the radiators and in my old setup it could get a little warm where I was sitting. As you can see now though the radiators dump the heat towards the wall, so I don't get the direct heat anymore. I'm sure it does add on to our ac portion of the power bill each month, but we live in an apartment sandwiched on every side by other units, so we get to benefit from having cooled space outside the walls instead of the hot summer heat of outdoors, so it's not too bad.
 
 
 
Haha, thanks but I did a pretty lazy job myself! I had to make the case because I didn't have the server chassis, and I still haven't bothered to replace the broken acrylic sheet or drill a hole for cables to leave the case.
 
 
Side note:
I'm hoping to have the money to move to a threadripper build sometime after ryzen gen 2 releases and do this over but MUCH smaller. I like these power supplies though, so I'm thinking I'll keep them and get a dc-dc atx psu like this one https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/more-g-unique-bto-psus-are-now-available-direct-order.1983/ 
I found some connectors for the psu on ebay and made a test board for it:

 

 
I should probably put a switch on it, but for now the sense pin is just wired to ground, so the psu will always be on. Works fine though  I just need to get some 14 or 16 gauge wire and a 4 pin atx plug to solder onto it and I'll have a functional 750w 12v power supply to use for who-knows-what till I build my next pc.

If I may make a suggestion, switch to Stripe instead of Paypal. Stripe was started by several engineers who left paypal because they don't have the greatest code practices. Paypal's api changes all the time without warning and then the customers get blamed for not using it right... (or that's how things were a ~year and a half ago when I was working with it).
Stripe seems to have much better practices, is easy to learn to work with, has good documentation, and lets you specify the api version you're using so you don't get blindsided by changes.

You just hold the click and itt goes to the top in less than a second.

Just click at the top of the scroll bar?

I know but its going to be a little hard to put that in for small devices

scroll click and then point upwards

If you take it as a glass half full approach, sure. But more power consumption also translates into higher thermals and higher ambient temperatures. People who want things to stay cool and quiet while being comfortable in their own room won't be going for the higher TDP equivalent of a lower TDP card that puts out as many frames.

like TheRandomness said, the water is flowing fast enough in a properly planned loop to pretty much even out the temperatures.  I thought there had to be some increase though when I set up my loop so I put in some in-line temp sensors with my aquaero to check it out.  My loop runs through all heat producing components and then through all the radiators. 
 
I've got an exterior radiator setup and 2 water temp sensors, one going in to the pc and one coming out.  Most I've ever seen is a 3°c increase and that was when I had my 2xD5 Varios on 1 with a full load on everything.  With the pumps on 3 its more like 1.5°c.  Pumps on 5 its about .5°c.  Only reason I'm running 2 pumps is because I've got 3ft of vertical rise and an abnormally large loop.  I'd think the normal 1 d5/ddc loop in a case would be about the same.
specs:
4790k @ 5.0Ghz 1.43v 
2xSLI GTX 980 @ 1500 core 8000 memory 1.275v (plumbed in parallel) 
2x240mm rad
2x120mm rad
1x280mm rad
2 extra reservoirs
14-90° fittings & 2-45°s
1 set of QD3 quick disconnects (fairly restrictive) 
 

 
 
 
Sorry, that got out of hand 

You'll need a block to make a custom loop if you want it to be single slot, all the asetek based AIOs are too tall when paired with mounting hardware to my knowledge. 

Can we reschedule this for the weekend? Kids go back to school that day

Not available at launch might deter some but at least when available its free.

You obviously haven't met too many enthusiasts XD. When you do something for a hobby just because you can it doesn't actually have to yield any meaningful returns/benefits. You are enthusiastic about the subject and therefore are willing to buy things you don't need just like any other hobby.

Lawdjesusweredidwegowrong
 
600 WATTS

All ryzen works with ECC