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They did try to backtrack on the long term AM4 support multiple times. But they ended up doing the right thing(after a lot of backlash) and adding Zen2 support to B350/X370 boards and Zen 3 support to B450/X470 and later B350/X370.

The 13600KF is nearly equal to the 5900X in MT and cheaper, while also being faster in ST. Doesn't really make sense to go for the 5900X for people that don't already own AM4 boards. You can even get DDR5 if you sacrifice the Z690/Z790 board. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: ASRock B760M PG Riptide Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($97.99 @ B&H) Total: $507.97 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-23 23:35 EDT-0400 The only CPU I would consider on AM4 is the 5600 and maybe the 5700, everything above it has better options on current platforms.

This has existed for quite some time now, and people that abuse regional pricing get banned when they get found. Like mentioned before, you can't even gift games easily if the region is different due to how it was abused in the past. Some publishers are actually crazy when it comes to regional pricing, FC24 for example costs more in Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia, Costa Rica and Qatar than in the US, with South Asia price being equal to the US, which is 3 times the Valve recommended price for the region. The fact that someone in Norway or Australia can get that game for less than someone in Colombia or Brazil is absolutely crazy.

Soyo and Maxsun have some pretty good motherboards. Colorful is another popular chinese brand that has some pretty good products. But these are closer to name brands, so you might not find the weirder/older boards you find from others.

How is AM4 better than LGA1700? Is this a bundle or something similar? I wasn't able to find that kind of pricing on the 12700KF. The best I could find on UK PCPP is something like this. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (£275.00 @ Amazon UK) CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£34.90 @ Amazon UK) Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M GAMING X DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£119.58 @ Amazon UK) Total: £429.48 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-13 14:31 BST+0100

Out of the coolers available on PCPP I would probably go for the Fuma 3.

It's pretty easy to lower the ridiculous power usage from many high-end parts while barely losing performance. It obviously will still generate heat, but the difference between having a 13900K and 4090 for a total of a 500W+ usage at stock, and limiting both slightly, losing 5~10% performance but reducing the total power consumption to ~350W is a significant difference. Obviously choosing more efficient parts also help, the only issue is being able to find which is the more efficient, as most current PC parts are extremely badly optimized for efficiency out of the box, and the stock results might not reflect the efficiency when limiting them. Using the 13900K and 4090 as examples, the 13900K is able to reach 80% of stock performance(in heavy MT tasks) while using 125W, while the 4090 is able to reach nearly 90% of stock while using ~280W. The 7950X and 7900X are worse offenders of this as you can nearly cut the power consumption in half while losing around 10% of performance. On the question of the topic: The main ways you can avoid the issue you're having is to either power limit/undervolt the CPU and GPU, sacrifice a bit of performance but reduce the power consumption by a lot. The other way is to remove the heat from the room, there are a few ways you can do this, usually either by physically moving the PC to another room and running extensions to your room, or by ducting the hot air from the PC to the outside.

CPUs do wear, just really slowly. GPUs don't wear out from mining. The only significant wear from mining is the fans and memory. Also they don't give less performance unless they're throttling.

I would probably look into the 12600KF as alternative to the 5600 now that it's on sale for $155 again.

I would guess a 13600K + DDR4(as you already own it) would be the best value for you, I assume the DDR4 3600 is good enough, but I'm not really familiar with Fusion 360. Edit: Might be worth using Hwinfo, or even just Task Manager to check if you can see what is limiting you in the software. If you can see one core pinned to 100%, or maybe the RAM pinned at 100% or something else.

Yeah and it works up to 90W or so, at least on the 12400 I've tested, more than that caused thermal throttle in longer tasks. If you care about noise, it probably would be worth getting a AG620 regardless of the CPU you choose though, but with the exception of the 13600KF, all others come with a basic cooler in the box, so you could just get it if the noise bothers you after you started using the PC.

I don't see how the 13500 gets "wrecked" by the 7600, when it's ~10% slower in games(with a 4090 in 1080p) but it can be 20%+ faster in heavy MT workloads. Calling the 7700 the king of value is also kinda weird, in games it's barely faster than the 7600X(or OC'd 7600), and the 13600KF is similar in games while being faster at other workloads. If you don't mind sacrificing a bit of gaming performance for the savings the 13500 brings, it can be a good option, I would also consider the 13600KF, but you would need a cooler for that, so it might not be a good deal if you don't already have/is planing to get one. Based on the prices of the CPU alone in the site on that other topic, I would say that for mainly gaming the 7600 is the best option, with the 13500 being the better option for heavier MT tasks, and the 13600K(F) and 7700 being the faster, but more expensive alternatives, with the 7700 being slightly best on games out of the mentioned CPUs, and the 13600KF being fastest at most other workloads.

I only mentioned the cooler for the 13600KF, with the AG620 being a quiet and capable cooler for the same as the price difference between the 7700 and 13600KF, and the AG400 louder and less capable, but would save ~$40 compared to going with the 7700. 13600KF + AG620 is the same price as the 7700 13600KF + AG400 is ~$40 cheaper than the 7700 The 13600K and 7700X are nearly identical in games overall, depending on the variables one or the other will be ahead by 3~5% on average. 3DCenter summary of 20+ reviews put the 13600K 1,6% ahead of the 7700X, which is (again) nearly identical performance. I consider platform support a bonus/tiebreaker, and only that, I wouldn't pay more to get it, for all we know Zen 5 can be trash and Zen 6 can be on AM6. And unless there's a clear intent to upgrade within 3 years, it's mostly irrelevant.

I'm talking about the 13600KF, and in this case the 7700 is more expensive. Prices in the shop posted are: 7700 - 45.719 RSD (~416USD) 7700X - 44.604 RSD (~405USD) 13600K - 40.808 RSD (~371USD) 13600KF - 37.990 RSD (~345USD) The coolers I mentioned are AG620 - 7.941 RSD (~72USD) AG400 - 3.613 RSD (~32USD) for the cheapest variant, with non-ARGB LEDs

The 13600KF is probably by far the best CPU option out of those, being about $70 cheaper which allows for a beefy cooler like the AG620 while being about the same price as the 7700, or you could get something a bit more basic like the AG400 and save some money, but it probably would be loud and hot at full load unless you tweak the power limits, likely irrelevant if it's only for gaming though.

The 13500 is probably the better option, as it's only 20AUD more.

The 12400 is about the same as the 5600, the biggest advantage is the upgrade path and the single thread performance. Options like the 13500 and above are ahead of similar priced AMD options in MT and seem to be decently priced in that shop, but the ones below not so much.

I would probably consider the 12400F too if it + a decent B660/B760 board is close to the price of the 5600+B550.

Personally all games i've tried FSR/DLSS on were unplayable with it turned on, the artifacts created by it in motion makes it a much worse option than just using spatial upscaling or lowering other graphical settings for me. I usually also dislike TAA, even the good implementations. In general I seem to be really sensitive to artifacts created by temporal upscaling and motion based interpolation. I think the issue is that the image looks really unstable for me, as I don't really mind a slightly blurrier image caused by spatial upscaling or FXAA.

It absolutely can, just like the 6600XT, it's a GPU with 8GB of VRAM and x8 PCIe bus. In some (rare) games it can lose significant amounts of performance depending on the resolution and settings used, in most cases and games it should be a minor to non-existent difference though. Would it be worth upgrading to a B550 board? No, unless it's free, if you have to pay to upgrade might as well save a bit then sell the CPU with the motherboard and get a Zen 4 or Alder/Raptor Lake CPU.

I would say that if what you do benefits from extra cores the 13600KF is the better option over the 7700.

Since I built my PC in 2015 the HDDs have been by far the loudest part of the build, and are the reason why I went with the Define R5 at the time. Currently at full load my 6700XT Pulse is the loudest part in the system, but at light loads and idle the HDDs are still by far the loudest. I have never seen a HDD that I would call quiet, let alone silent at idle, and I had many different ones.

Games that are small in filesize are also probably more likely to be installed and uninstalled more often, as for most people with decent internet downloading a 500mb or less from steam takes less than a minute, reinstalling is also usually the first troubleshooting step for many, again small games in particular due to how fast it's to download them. Also would updates count as new installation? That would be crazy, as storefronts usually automatically install those.

How much money would Unity get from Among Us alone if it was released after those changes? That game is cheap, but it sold a ton and has cosmetics, so it surely would be over all thresholds, but it's free on multiple platforms and Google Play alone says 500M+ downloads... Add that to 20M+ owners on steam(not installations), that it was free on Epic, is available on iOS, and is included on gamepass, it's likely over 1 billion installs, which would make Unity at least 10 million dollars if they were an Enterprise user, 20 million if Pro, and a massive 200 million if they were a Personal or Plus user. That could easily bankrupt an indie dev that makes a F2P game with Micro transactions, or with paid versions that ends up going viral like Among Us.

lol the party that profits from frauds is the one that is going to put protections in place. Makes complete sense.