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Sadly I have seen zero evidence that fewer cores result in higher clocks. 4-4.1 seems to be the conventional cooling (air, water) ceiling for Ryzen.

I agree that we'll see 2/2 celeron, 2/4 pentium, 4/4 i3, 4/8 i5 and 6/12 i7. We'll also see 8+ high core one gen older enthusiast and 6 core current generation enthusiast. With intels move towards enterprise first I think we'll see low core count new generation first on enthusiast, followed by consumer chips within 3-5 months and then 3-5 months after the consumer high core count versions with high core count on the same generation 3-5 months after that. Possibly with a flip of the consumer and high core count if they're confident in their ability to produce the high core count in high enough yields without first refining by making the consumer chips, though I think the consumer chip run will give them a good amount of experience in perfecting the process so they'll probably stick with the consumer in the middle strategy.

I personally prefer the RX over the 1050-1060 models. Nvidia removing SLI support on budget cards leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Also with their lackluster continued driver support for older Nvidia cards it's another win on the AMD front as they support them longer. TLDR Nvidia better single card now, AMD better support and features.

Please read what I was replying to. The reply was to someone saying that R5 and i7 as quad core multi-thread were out of date. Also RE: R5 recommendation, over intel i5 absolutely. The quad core R5 is a maybe maybe not but the hex core is definitely > i5 on my list. AMD has said the socket will last at least 4 years. They have not said how many generations of CPUs the X370 will support. Even if they reuse the socket on new generation CPUs there's no guarantee the X370 will have to support them. There is also no guarantee on yearly cadence.

It's pretty much on par with 480 and runs 30 to 60 bucks cheaper but without warranty. AMD does offer better long term software support than Nvidia though so in a year or two the 480 will probably have a performance advantage of 10% or so then, but likely only in new titles. The problem is the RX 480 si clearly out of the budget of the OP. Even the used GTX 970 is almost 20 bucks over his 100-120 budget he mentioned.

Disagree. 8 thread is fine for at least two more years as long as it's sixth or seventh gen intel. AMD R5 may start to struggle by then as they will be IPC and clock limited at that time. i5 already is the minimum for 1080p gaming and a reasonable experience Disagree. i5 frame time swing is so massive it doesn't really provide a great experience in some situations now and soon enough that will be most situations. Intel is up to 3 generations now instead of 2, but who knows if they'll stick with that in the long term. Honestly unless AMD is super hot on pushing yearly cadence then AMD will also only see 2 or 3 generations supported on current motherboards max. Very good point. I'd probably go Z170 + Skylake as they're still supported by Windows with less spyware and ridiculous requirements. Manual updates or bust.

http://hwbench.com/vgas/geforce-gtx-970-vs-geforce-gtx-1050-ti http://hwbench.com/vgas/radeon-rx-460-vs-geforce-gtx-970

So you're saying you'd rather buy a slower card for the same price simply because the CPU couldn't keep up? I could totally understand if you brought up the risks of buying used hardware and the lack of warranty, but the CPU shouldn't matter when comparing graphics speed at the same price.

Try finding a used GTX 970? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-Strix-GTX-970-4GB-Model-STRIX-GTX970-DC20C-4GD5-/142357340571?hash=item212528a19b:g:FcYAAOSwBOtY-mOg Here's on on eBay at 125$. This is not my card nor am I specifically recommending this listing, just referencing it as evidence the card can be found near your price range.

The Ryzen will provide better low end frame rates in many titles. A 4 thread CPU is starting to get outdated. There are many titles that benefit from more than 4 threads in their low frame rates. The i5 will provide better high end frame rates and average frame rates, but with some noticeable slow downs like I mentioned with the low frame rates in some titles. Unless you are getting a GTX 1080 or better GPU, the Ryzen 5 will probably be the better CPU. Check out Hardware Unboxed Ryzen 5 reviews as they offer their results with multiple GPUs. Nevermind the multiple GPU test was with the ram speeds, but there have been tests with multiple GPUs and only the highest end GPUs of this current generation show large gaps between ryzen and intel.

Don't use HDD til new one comes in and clone the data over to the new one. That's my vote anyway. Data loss sucks.

http://hwbench.com/vgas/radeon-r9-290-vs-radeon-rx-470 8% really isn't much of a lead for the 290. Not something very likely to notice.

I think you'd probably have a hard time getting that much for it, but you may be able to. See what a brand new machine with similar power would run. 200 more gets brand new parts and overclocking. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XnGCkT 100 more gets brand new parts no overclocking. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c2rFM8 Both machines would be about 8% slower graphics than your old build. No OC would be about 16% faster CPU. With OC could probably reach 25% faster. That's also ignoring the Ryzen 5 alternatives because I still haven't seen much about them as I just got back from a 1 week vacation.

I was thinking probably 5 to 6 hundred. You could also check the sold listings on ebay for the individual parts in used working condition to get an idea of what they're selling for. Then cut that by like 10% because ebay fee is 10% and paypal is 3% for a seller without a store subscription. You could also consider cutting a bit more because many of the parts are sold as 1 price with free shipping.

If all else fails, put a take down claim on it for using your image?

I thought about using it in the color of the build, but decided to go with a more stealth look. Once I get the final thing I'm waiting on then I'll update with more than just a candid sneak peak.

In all fairness, all budget builders wanted unlocked i3s up until Kabylake. Skylake baseclock so much better than 7350k.

Skylake-W. It stands for Skylake-Why. I mean I get the Kabylake-X, but why the Skylake-W to go along with the Skylake-X? The only thing I can guess is that the W stands for workstation and the CPUs will be similar to Xeons but without the Xeon extras and it's basically going to be a cheaper way to get a workstation when you don't have a mission critical need for ECC RAM. Also, regarding TDP; I believe Intel rates their Enthusiast platform CPUs at an overclocked value and not a stock clocked value. Although it makes no sense for this W line to be so high if it is actually a locked sku. It also makes no sense for the Enthusiast platform if it doesn't have quad channel and at least 32 PCIE lanes. This not making sense stuff leads me to wonder if maybe Intel is phasing out their consumer line entirely and future CPUs will be Enthusiast platform only. Also - I suspect the - through boost and hyperthreading is just unknown or misinformed. It doesn't make much sense to jump from 4 threads to 12.

I wonder how friendly it would be to integrate into a caching proxy. I mean if I'm going to go thru this much effort, seems like caching wouldn't hurt.

Candid sneak peak.

NP Enjoy.

New icon. yay or nay. previous for reference if it still works. Might just be cached on my end. It was a red C and I. https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_06/favicon120.jpg.0a8f285421143e16da6941c9a209e730.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/szmanuals/2bb0db2e6f027f05eaad712a8f6b9bfd https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/uktechnet/2013/05/14/licensing-logic-whats-the-difference-between-oem-retail-and-volume-licenses/ Tehcnically speaking, you're not supposed to use OEM software for personal use either. It is intended to be installed only on PCs that the system builder is offering for sale. http://www.zdnet.com/article/is-it-ok-to-use-oem-windows-on-your-own-pc-dont-ask-microsoft/

They do this for 'substantially similar' motherboards when the original could not be acquired, but OEM licenses are tied to the computer they're installed on.

I'd go nothing less than a tier one psu from a reputable manufacturer for a computer over 1500 bucks.