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Here in Canada a 6TB black or Ultrastar is indeed over $300 CAD ? I read a long time ago that the firmware on NAS drives don't play well with desktop when just mounted and used as a regular drive. Something to do with the drives spinning down to save power and then dropping off the "radar" so to speak. Do the newer NAS drives work better with windows than the original WD red I read about years back? Interestingly I've done some more digging since starting this thread and you can't even get most of these drive's (be it WD or Seagate) with the self encrypting features in SATA most of them are SAS drives. So I'll probably continue using Bit Locker Bought my drive in 2013 so I'm not surprised it's starting to fail... No warranty though as I'm over the 5 year mark, probably should have replaced it sooner.

Thanks for info I'll check out Back Blaze.

Hi guys, long time no "post." ? Jokes aside, I am in the need of a new HDD as mine has started to fail (making bad noises). I've been a long time fan of Western Digital and have been running their drives exclusively for quite some time, my current drive is a 4TB Black with 64MB of cache. I'm looking to either get another drive that has the same capacity or go up a little bit to a 6TB. Priority #1 for me is reliability Priority #2 is speed P #3 is features, specifically self encryption and secure erasing (I hear some drives are self encrypting but I'm unsure of how that works vs windows bitlocker which I currently use). I was originally going to buy another black drive, but then I noticed for a few bucks more I can get the Ultrastar DC HC310 in 6TB capacity which I understand is a rebranded Hitachi drive inside. I'm also open to looking at Seagate but I find their model line up too confusing so some input on their line up would be helpful, I'm looking at whatever compares most directly with the HC310 or a Black from WD. I'm willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of speed if it means a more reliable drive, but I won't go with something slower that the current WD black 6TB in terms of raw speed. Can someone tell me from legit sources who seems to have the most reliable drive of the brand's/models in looking at. I also see things like Advanced Format 512e 512n and 4Kn, what is the difference between these and which one is best for a windows 10 desktop? From what I gather desktop drive have one version of this while server drives typically have another version and due to that, server drives often don't work well in a desktop environment. Please enlighten me. ? With regards to the self encrypting features some of these drive seem to have, how does it differ in performance and security to Windows bit locker and what is needed to fully take advantage of it? Will running an HDD with native self encrypting make data transfers faster than using windows bit locker? Or does Windows use the native self encrypting features of the hard drive to use bit locker. Is there something else I need to do to take advantage of the technology or is it pointless and am I better off with a regular unencrypted drive that I just encrypt with bit locker? I should add that I'm not spending outside the realm of what The Black or the Ultrastar go for which in Canada for me is in the range of 300-340 CAD. Sorry for the idiomatic post, looking forward to your responses!

Wow, I really didn't realize how little I knew on the subject, thanks for enlightening me (and preventing me from wasting my money). Very informative, thank you!

Oh, I didn't know that, thanks for the info! What if I were to try Raid 1 using the onboard RAID controller with two ssds, would I be able to get TRIM to work. Basically under what circumstances would I be able to get trim to work?

I figured it would be the best option, should still get 750gb of storage space and a one drive fault tolerance. with raid 1 I'd lose another 250gb of storage and I need the space. Do you know If my setup will enable me to use the onboard Raid controller in Raid 5 with TRIM support or will I need a newer OS, mobo, PCIe raid card, wizards wand, or snake oil? haha

I have an AMD rig with an ASUS Sabertooth 990 FX R2.0 running Windows 7 Ultimate. What I need to know is what do I need in order to make use of trim? I can't seem to find any info pertaining to my situation. I plan on getting 4 mx200 250 gb drives and running them in Raid 5. Will I need to upgrade my OS, Mobo, or run a PCI e raid controller card to make this work. Seems like people need the "perfect storm" of computer components and software to make TRIM work and it's super confusing. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Good food for thought Opcode. Since my intention isn't to go for a super high OC but rather a stable mild OC I might consider the 8320. Thanks for the info on transistors, I wasn't aware that leakier transistor were less reliable, good to know.

I have this mobo_____ http://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R20/ As far as the 8320 goes I guess thats possible but for $40 more where I live the 8370 is tempting

I have an old 955BE C3 stepping and it has a hard time going past 3.6 without more voltage. Everything else in my rig's fairly modern IMO, Evga 660ti 3gb edition, 8gb of kingston ram at 1600mhz, intel 240 series SSD 240GB, 4TB WD black, AX 850 power supply, NH-C14 cpu cooler and a Define R4 case. The weakest link in the chain is the cpu. No problem at all haha. Well thanks alot for the help, I'll probably end up with the 8370. Cheers! And feel free to keep the discussion going I might still chime in from time to time after I purchase mine.

Can you link me to the article?

I probably should have clarified, I just bought a 990fx R2.0 sabertooth board about two years ago, I can't justify throwing out good silicon just two years after purchase... kind of a hippy that way I like to stretch my components out for at least five years if possible... three in the case of video cards. I will definitely be switching to an intel on my next build in a few years. Back to the question at hand, if you we're sticking with the same mobo/platform which cpu would you buy?

Definitely possible, anybody have any real work experience with these two cpus?

Haha yeah it's not like it's a matter of price between the two. I do have an NH-C14 cooler so I'm okay with with anything over 4ghz but I don't really see my self going past 4.5.

Yes and no. I have an Asus saber tooth r2.0 and a 660ti, but I have an old phenom 955 be. By far the weakest link in my system is the CPU so I'm wanting to upgrade that. My goal is to permanently set either cpu to 4.3ghz and turn turbo boost off. I just can't figure out which of the chips will do so in a more efficient manner? Yeah from what I know the TDP is 95W and the base clock is 3.3ghz but since it still boosts to 4.3ghz it leads me to believe that it's either binning and reprogramming to a lower base clock or just the latter with no real binning process.